Disappointed at LTT's unboxing video on the Define S.

[-TesseracT-]

NOTE : Please don't complain about something as irrelevant as my grammar.

 

I've been watching Linus Tech Tips for a many years, and have been around on the forum since 2013. I don't plan on ever leaving, but Iwant to express a recent experience with the channel.

 

If you watched the latest WAN show you'd know that Linus and Luke were discussing a new case from Fractal Design; the Define S. Since I do not watch Vessel, I didn't know what they'd released a video unboxing of it. Apparently, many followers gave them a lot of flak for doing a unboxing that many admittedly didn't find to be very professional. Linus' argument against a full review was that the case didn't deserve one. They stated that the case was simply too uninteresting and boring.

 

I disagree with that. I find the case very interesting, not just because I happen to like it very much, but because I think it's important to the industry. Jay did a 20 minute review that was filled but nothing but new things to say about the case. The many things that were different from the R5. The fact that it has a big panel where you can mount reservoirs on and that it has a dedicated spot for mounting a pump is amazing! This isn't the first time the industry has seen something like this but the fact that Fractal are offering a relatively cheap case that can do this is very cool and other companies should follow suite.

 

I thought that LTT had a good relationship with Fractal Design. Both I and @Suffokation agreed that If we were the heads of Fractal, we would've been very disappointed by such a poor quality video of a case that frankly deserves more. I am honestly disappointed at Linus. He could've made a very short 3-minute review showing the differences between the Define S. and Define R5, that I'm sure would benefit both the manufacturer, the consumer and them selves more. 

 

So Linus, you're telling me that reviewing baby monitors and fucking lamps is of more importance than properly review a case that offers never-before-seen features on a case that doesn't cost an arm and a leg? You did do a video, but you dropped the frikkin side panel!!! There is no excuse of showing that. Don't tell me it wasn't your fault, it shouldn't have been in the video. Show some damn respect to the engineers of the case that spent many hours on it. The point is that the video was careless.

[Ostwind]

Clearly someone didn't watch the WAN show where Linus addressed similar whining about that video.

[Zeke]

I'm really disappointed with Define R4 unboxing video.

 

 

 mad rspect if you got this

[-TesseracT-]

Clearly someone didn't watch the WAN show where Linus addressed similar whining about that video.

Clearly someone didn't read my post where I said that I actually did.

[cragger89]

Then, you, sir, have wasted a lot of time typing.

[Atmos]

I didn't see anything wrong with the unboxing, I actually kinda liked the down to earth feel.

And of course Jay would go on for ages about its water cooling features, he's like the water cooling God of YouTube. Fact is, it really isn't that different from the r5, they just pulled the front cages and drilled some holes in essence.

Don't over think things mate, else you'll end up like me sitting there picking apart every movie scene by scene to find logic holes.

[MeltingPoint]

I'm really disappointed with Define R4 unboxing video.

 

 

 mad rspect if you got this

That poor case. Left to die in the freezing rain.

[Ostwind]

Clearly someone didn't read my post where I said that I actually did.

I did actually read it but my brain was overcome by the stupidity of the whining in the rest of the post about the professionalism of a case review video about a boring black box that I had forgotten the first part of the post.

 

[MrSuperb]

Don't worry ... when it comes to Fractal Design cases @LinusTech has the habbit to redo the reviews every other month

[-TesseracT-]

I did actually read it but my brain was overcome by the stupidity of the whining in the rest of the post about the professionalism of a case review video about a boring black box that I had forgotten the first part of the post.

 

 

I can't respect your opinion if you don't respect mine.

[Abir Vandergriff]

Similarly, I have something of an issue with this topic complaining about a video you haven't seen yet. In the WAN show, he says the the case got a few minutes where he talked about what he saw outright. The Define S seems to be focused on water cooling support, but frankly, LTT doesn't do much water cooling stuff these days. JayzTwoCents definitely fills that void for me, but I don't feel that any more than an unboxing really warrants the differences that are rather minor in the eyes of the general consumer, or fresh member of the PC community.

[MrSuperb]

Also the case is boooooooooooring

[ShadowCaptain]

If Linus and crew do not find something interesting enough to review, then they do not have to review it

 

A forced review would look and sound horrible as nobody will be interested in the product, and it will come across in Linus' voice that he is uninterested

 

The channel is basically stuff Linus feels is worth of review, not just stuff we want him to review, its not like there are not other reviews of this case out there - he doesnt have exclusivity on it, so arguably if he finds it unworthy of a long review - then you can draw the opinion that Linus finds it uninteresting, or not different enough to spend a whole day explaining 

 

Linus doesnt have to cover every single case and option out there...especially as others will cover it anyway. this case is basically a define R5 with a slightly different configuration - its not worth spending 40 minutes talking about, and frankly I wouldnt sit there watching a long review of a case that is not very interesting

[-TesseracT-]

Also the case is boooooooooooring

But unique.

[Abir Vandergriff]

But unique.

How so? It's a Define R5 with some things taken out, and some holes put in it for some extra water cooling support. I don't fault Fractal for doing much of the same all the time, but it essentially makes for a bunch of cases that are mostly the same with marginal differences in functionality.

[MrSuperb]

But unique.

 

is it really?

 

to me it just looks like pretty much every Fractal Design case they realease since they realeased their first Define and just stripped some stuff out ...

[MegaDave91]

I wasn't too impressed when the side panel crashed to the deck. Bearing in mind the "off-the-cuff" nature of Linus' un-boxings, I still personally would have re-filmed that portion.

 

Love the atmosphere of the sunlight and floral scenery in the background, though.

[Ostwind]

I can't respect your opinion if you don't respect mine.

Why bother complaining about it? Linus does troll videos we all know that. I don't see the point in whining when there are plenty of other review sites and youtubers that put up articles and videos about the same products that you can go read/watch. Every video that LMG puts out doesn't have to be serious.

[-TesseracT-]

How so? It's a Define R5 with some things taken out, and some holes put in it for some extra water cooling support. I don't fault Fractal for doing much of the same all the time, but it essentially makes for a bunch of cases that are mostly the same with marginal differences in functionality.

 

is it really?

 

to me it just looks like pretty much every Fractal Design case they realease since they realeased their first Define and just stripped some stuff out ...

I personally think that the the "native" support of mounting watercooling components is unique for a case like this and deserves a proper review. Atleast a short comparison video between it and the Define R5.

[-TesseracT-]

Why bother complaining about it? Linus does troll videos we all know that. I don't see the point in whining when there are plenty of other review sites and youtubers that put up articles and videos about the same products that you can go read/watch. Every video that LMG puts out doesn't have to be serious.

Yes. But the fact that they review a baby monitor and not this is silly.

[-TesseracT-]

I don't mean to show any disrespect but this is how I feel. It's really a minor thing but I felt like bringing it up. I still love the channel and will continue watching it. 

[Abir Vandergriff]

I personally think that the the "native" support of mounting watercooling components is unique for a case like this and deserves a proper review. Atleast a short comparison video between it and the Define R5.

It's certainly unique for the price point, I'll give you that. I also don't wholly disagree with you. I disagree with your points of arguing, and that your entire argument is based around a video you admit in the OP to have not seen yet. However, I do kind of agree with the comparison video being better than an unscripted unboxing, although the community begged and pleaded for a return to the unboxing days, and now it seems no one can get over the complaining about it. 

[-TesseracT-]

It's certainly unique for the price point, I'll give you that. I also don't wholly disagree with you. I disagree with your points of arguing, and that your entire argument is based around a video you admit in the OP to have not seen yet. However, I do kind of agree with the comparison video being better than an unscripted unboxing, although the community begged and pleaded for a return to the unboxing days, and now it seems no one can get over the complaining about it. 

I did watch it though, after hearing about it on the WAN show. But fair enough.

[cragger89]

Yes. But the fact that they review a baby monitor and not this is silly.

 

A lot of the audience will be new parents - so it isn't silly, at all.

[Abir Vandergriff]

I wasn't too impressed when the side panel crashed to the deck. Bearing in mind the "off-the-cuff" nature of Linus' un-boxings, I still personally would have re-filmed that portion.

Wait, how is he supposed to re-film an unboxing? That's just the sort of stuff that happens when you are recording your initial reactions, you can't just fake it for a second recording. I'll harkon back to the WAN show from this Friday and mention that the only reason the side panel came off is that the screws were so short that the self-retaining ring around it didn't allow the screw to go in far enough to stay on. The screw is too short, so the panel fell off.