Skyrim modders were not happy with the paid mods + petition against it

[JAKEBAB]

Im curious to hear what game dev's have to say.

[minibois]

Exactly. When you start charging people for that you gonna need to spend much more time in finding what works what and what doesn't, I'd imagine that would slow down the development. 

 

EDIT: Oh and only 25% of the cut? oh man.... that's just not worth the time and effort...

And you only get that 25% cut if your mod made 400 USD overall. (AKA,when you would get 100 USD for the 300 USD you made for Valve/Beth)

AINT THAT JUST AMAZING?!

 

Im curious to hear what game dev's have to say.

I doubt any other other dev will make paid Workshop mods right now, because of the outrage.

They might even say they wont do paid mods because good attention.

 

But if this becomes a thing, they will jump on the paid mods boat too, because:

[aduman]

You should see SkyUI's devs' posts on Nexus. A guy named Mardoxx from their crew just said that "It's only money, haha." Always responds with a 'my shit don't stink' attitude... Fucking shady little bitches.

[minibois]

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I added this one to the OP by the way.

This one is very funny, I like how she is named Beth and sits on a Valve

[alicskysareblue]

you know what these modders deserve to be payed as well as thanked for their hard work on making games (not just skyrim ) so much better, that is why instead of bitching or protesting or complaining on forums I am going to go on nexus and donate, particulerly to chesko who is dealing with  a lot of shit.

[minibois]

you know what these modders deserve to be payed as well as thanked for their hard work on making games (not just skyrim ) so much better, that is why instead of bitching or protesting or complaining on forums I am going to go on nexus and donate, particulerly to chesko who is dealing with  a lot of shit.

Yep. They should get paid

But no only 25% after Bethesda and Valve have made 300 USD of it. And mods should be free and there should be a donate button.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

And you only get that 25% cut if your mod made 400 USD overall. (AKA,when you would get 100 USD for the 300 USD you made for Valve/Beth)

AINT THAT JUST AMAZING?!

 

YEA MAN I WILL GIBE MY SOUL TO THE LORD GABEN!!!!! PRAISE GABEN!!!!!! PRAISE VALVE AND BETHESDA!!!!!!!

 

You should see SkyUI's devs' posts on Nexus. A guy named Mardoxx from their crew just said that "It's only money, haha." Always responds with a 'my shit don't stink' attitude... Fucking shady little bitches.

 

Yea that was quite troubling to read. I can totally understand the pressure that the modders who have turned their superior version of the mod to steam are under pile

of shit right now. Mardoxx replies were quite unexpected. 

 

you know what these modders deserve to be payed as well as thanked for their hard work on making games (not just skyrim ) so much better, that is why instead of bitching or protesting or complaining on forums I am going to go on nexus and donate, particulerly to chesko who is dealing with  a lot of shit.

 

Fully agree to that, surprisingly, I have never used any of Chesko's mod.  To those who did, please give appreciation. Sadly those Japanese and Korean modders are harder to contact though. I'd have to start finding ways to reach them.

[alicskysareblue]

Yep. They should get paid

But no only 25% after Bethesda and Valve have made 300 USD of it. And mods should be free and there should be a donate button.

I disagree, but only because often times people don't donate, either by not noticing it or not caring to, I have seen a lot of modders quitr because  they arent able to continue to support the  due to lack of dontations and real life.

YEA MAN I WILL GIBE MY SOUL TO THE LORD GABEN!!!!! PRAISE GABEN!!!!!! PRAISE VALVE AND BETHESDA!!!!!!!

 

 

Yea that was quite troubling to read. I can totally understand the pressure that the modders who have turned their superior version of the mod to steam are under pile

of shit right now. Mardoxx replies were quite unexpected. 

 

 

Fully agree to that, surprisingly, I have never used any of Chesko's mod.  To those who did, please give appreciation. Sadly those Japanese and Korean modders are harder to contact though. I'd have to start finding ways to reach them.

So much better responses then on steam, if  this situation ends badly it will be  partly (largly) to blame on them, because chose to act like "typical" and threaten, haress, flame and troll others instead of trying to come up with a more constructive way to protest valve and bethesda.

 

Let me be honest I have no problems with paying for content  as long as A. the prices are reasonable and that  support is for the mode is required, what I do have an issue is valve and bethesda taking a collective 75$ of the profit and then having control over the content, when other then the  ESP may not be there own  assets to begin with.

 

at this point I refuse to buy the mods on steam but I will for now on  donate to modders that I like  like for instance chasko.

[Roddy189]

75% is ridiculous. This has not been handled well at all. Was there even any 'real' market research for this? As TotalBiscuit mentions CSGO and TF are valve products so in that instance it seems fair to me.

If any copyright issues rise from this I don't see valve taking responsibility for this somehow.

Modders should receive money for their work but it should be by donation IMO.

[Cookie Monster]

SkyUI is going behind the paywall -> the death of skyrim mods

[Vozella]

Can someone create a "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" picture with Gayben and Valve

I don't know if anyone said this yet but: "You either die Steam or live long enough to become EA."

[Colonel_Gerdauf]

SkyUI is going behind the paywall -> the death of skyrim mods

That's it? Death of Skyrim mods?

Try the death of modding in general. With the scale of the backlash here, Valve and Gabe Newell can no longer afford to ignore or evade the problem, and the more they wait and fiddle their thumbs, the deeper the scar of negative PR image will be for both Steam and even the entirety of PC gaming.

[Eroda]

IT WILL BE BACK..

 

this was testing for their future plans with source2  because the whole point of S2 taking to long was new tools that make it very user friendly they want heaps of mods and minigames and games on this engine and this seemed to me like testing the system and how to and obviously not to implement things

[Zero_Cool]

The current set-up for paid mods does not really work, and I believe the outcry from both the pc and modding communities proves that.

 

That is not to say there is no opportunity for paid mods, just not in it's current implementation, the profit split for mods needs a reality check, developers need to understand that the person who is doing the work needs a share of the profit that reflects that work. The only reason I could see the current implementation making any kind of sense would be if the developer was talking any kind of qc and support role in the case of the mods. Essentially testing mods and making sure they work, and also troubleshooting compatibility issues with mod developers.

 

As that is not the case, what Bethesda is really doing is taking the lion's share of the profit for no involvement whatsoever, only that they are getting a piece of the pie because the own the property rights. Which in my opinion is the most disrespectful thing to do, as the whole reason Elder Scrolls Skyrim has had continued success way after its release is because of the passionate modding community. They are essentially giving the modding community the proverbial middle finger, and that is not to say that Valve does not share equal blame at as well.

 

Valve if you want to start a new service great, but I might suggest you fix some other things, like actually having customer service, and also your refund policy, as these need to be fixed before any kind of paid mod/ 3rd party dlc system is implemented, because I can tell you right now this is like dodgy used car lot, and you are the greasy salesman in this scenario. Lots of cars on the lot, the quality, and reliability of each car varies, but if you buy a lemon and have it for more than 24hrs god help you because we won't, calling us to help you "were busy" . I think you get the idea where this is going, and it is not good.    

[HippY]

(Article from Gamespot, I am at work and i read the article from mobile. if someone could link the story here I would be grateful)

 

Update:

 

In an interview with Gamespot Gabe Newell said that "If something doesn`t help with that[make modding better for authors and gamers], it will get dumped.

 

The pay-outs (eg 25% authors 75% Bethesda) was set by Betheda, not by Valve

They have no intention to censor

[minibois]

(Article from Gamespot, I am at work and i read the article from mobile. if someone could link the story here I would be grateful)

 

Update:

 

In an interview with Gamespot Gabe Newell said that "If something doesn`t help with that[make modding better for authors and gamers], it will get dumped.

 

The pay-outs (eg 25% authors 75% Bethesda) was set by Betheda, not by Valve

They have no intention to censor

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gabe-newell-says-valve-will-dump-paid-mods-if-they/1100-6426893/

 

"Our goal is to make modding better for the authors and gamers," Newell said in a Reddit Ask Me Anything thread. "If something doesn't help with that, it will get dumped. Right now I'm more optimistic that this will be a win for authors and gamers, but we are always going to be data driven."

"The goal [of paid mods] is to increase the total investment the community makes in extending its games," he said. "We thought we were missing some plumbing that was hampering that."

I understand what they want to achieve, but that wont happen like this.

They made changes to drastically and in the wrong way. Now it's like every modder wants to get money for what  small thing they did in the Creation Kit...

It's kinda like YouTube, how many small YouTubers only do YouTube for subscribers and views..

[Nup]

I wonder how stubborn Valve will be.... 

[Artorias]

Take this silver coin *gives to Gabe Newell*. Guess that's thirty-one silvers you've got now, huh? Sleep well, JUDAS...
I SOOOO wanna freakin' do that on Gabe's face right now...

[NeatSquidYT]

One of my friends (a source modder) is actually in favour of paid mods, and when I told him that it's retarded he said "your obviously not a modder then", to which I replied "you obviously can't speak english then"

[Misanthrope]

I wonder how stubborn Valve will be.... 

 

Judging form how stubborn Gabe himself was, I say extremely they're on this until the bitter end: On that reddit thing he constantly evaded the questions about the ridiculous revenue share and kept praising the program as a great opportunity for modders effectively infantilizing them.

[Sauron]

I sort of feel this is getting blown a little out of proportion... it's fine to complain and voice your opinion, but all the insults and "greedy bastards" cries seem a bit too much. Other companies do a lot worse, and (almost) never get hit so hard for it. It was a mistake, fine, complain, but quit acting like valve was just a coverup for a child porn black market.

[Misanthrope]

I sort of feel this is getting blown a little out of proportion... it's fine to complain and voice your opinion, but all the insults and "greedy bastards" cries seem a bit too much. Other companies do a lot worse, and (almost) never get hit so hard for it. It was a mistake, fine, complain, but quit acting like valve was just a coverup for a child porn black market.

 

Not as much as 30+45%

 

Seriously I get your point but the split is outrageous. No saying "it was already present on Valve games" makes it any better, Skyrim mods are much better and intricate than those.

 

To me, even with this massive outrage and overreactions like right now I can almost assure your this will not change a damn fucking thing at all, they will keep going, the free modding community will slowly die and paid mods will become the norm. Just like DLC, just like preorders, just like DRM, just like every single fucking thing wrong with modern gaming.

[Trik'Stari]

Not as much as 30+45%

 

Seriously I get your point but the split is outrageous. No saying "it was already present on Valve games" makes it any better, Skyrim mods are much better and intricate than those.

 

To me, even with this massive outrage and overreactions like right now I can almost assure your this will not change a damn fucking thing at all, they will keep going, the free modding community will slowly die and paid mods will become the norm. Just like DLC, just like preorders, just like DRM, just like every single fucking thing wrong with modern gaming.

Now the drink and fries are mods.

[Sauron]

Not as much as 30+45%

 

Seriously I get your point but the split is outrageous. No saying "it was already present on Valve games" makes it any better, Skyrim mods are much better and intricate than those.

 

To me, even with this massive outrage and overreactions like right now I can almost assure your this will not change a damn fucking thing at all, they will keep going, the free modding community will slowly die and paid mods will become the norm. Just like DLC, just like preorders, just like DRM, just like every single fucking thing wrong with modern gaming.

 

As I said, I don't think they should just get away with it, but DAMN... if anything is going to go away for consumer pressure, it's probably this. Plus, if nobody buys them modders will just go back to free hobby modding, this only works if they can make a living off of it.

[Misanthrope]

As I said, I don't think they should just get away with it, but DAMN... if anything is going to go away for consumer pressure, it's probably this. Plus, if nobody buys them modders will just go back to free hobby modding, this only works if they can make a living off of it.

 

According to Gabe by yesterday they had made 10k. If you consider average pricing, people are already buying it I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled 100k within the first month alone.