Republicans’ “Internet Freedom Act” would wipe out net neutrality

[Sovereign of All Saiyans]

This sad for America because my father when he was young told me that America is a power house and they have limited possibilities with the internet back in the 90's, but i told him so why don't they have nationwide high speed rail (Avoid long time waits on planes and snow storms that cancel flights) because in mind its was going to same as the train situation , Here in Japan i get 200 mbps, TV, and phone for 750 yen (6.25 usd) month. I can't image you pay regional monopoly isp plans. I use a vpn to some of favorite american tv shows like breaking bad and game of thrones.

 

Damn here in Los Angeles the lowest plan is 15$ month 1.5 mbps with 12 month contract i getting ripped off!!!

 

[adman29]

I mean seriously, this shouldn't be a battle that republicans ought to be fighting. Didn't the US figure out 100 years ago, in the progressive era, that we ought to help, not F*** the consumer?

[peanutsrevenge]

I am trying to thing of a blanket insult for all politicians, but I honestly can't think of something both severe and fitting enough.

 

 

 

Whores

[Trik'Stari]

Whores

Not strong enough.

[miagisan]

That is one very ignorant statement. I just really dislike when people blame one side yet not the other on every issue. All parties have their downsides.

Well, don't they need the freedom to be able to upgrade their networks?

they were given a shit ton of money the 90s to improve the infrastructure during the "national infrastructure act" during Clinton's term. ISPs decided to pocket the money instead and hike up the rates.

We tried letting them upgrade on their own , and in fact were paid to do so.

[Trik'Stari]

they were given a shit ton of money the 90s to improve the infrastructure during the "national infrastructure act" during Clinton's term. ISPs decided to pocket the money instead and hike up the rates.

We tried letting them upgrade, and in fact were paid to do so.

The real people to blame are congress, for not doing anything about it to begin with. The ISP's have done MORE than enough to warrant anti-trust investigations by congress, and they haven't done a single thing about it.

[peanutsrevenge]

The real people to blame are congress, for not doing anything about it to begin with. The ISP's have done MORE than enough to warrant anti-trust investigations by congress, and they haven't done a single thing about it.

I think we're all to blame for continuing to use a monetary system combined with the concentration of power. When you step back and look, pretty all of the shit is because of greed and paranoia, both entirely natural within a monetary system.

If we work towards resource abundance through technological and social progress, we'll no longer need the concept of 'money', the source of most of the evil in the world.

I prove the point all the time at work. I often have to do things I don't like because they're misleading customers with the bosses intention of increasing revenue. Sometimes I refuse - accepting the risk of being fired - but too often I do it because if I lose my job, I'm fucked again and it's REALLY hard to find a job that's not setup to screw someone out of something because the bosses are greedy or paranoid about losing their wealth.

[Trik'Stari]

I think we're all to blame for continuing to use a monetary system combined with the concentration of power. When you step back and look, pretty all of the shit is because of greed and paranoia, both entirely natural within a monetary system.

If we work towards resource abundance through technological and social progress, we'll no longer need the concept of 'money', the source of most of the evil in the world.

I prove the point all the time at work. I often have to do things I don't like because they're misleading customers with the bosses intention of increasing revenue. Sometimes I refuse - accepting the risk of being fired - but too often I do it because if I lose my job, I'm fucked again and it's REALLY hard to find a job that's not setup to screw someone out of something because the bosses are greedy or paranoid about losing their wealth.

You'd still have the issue of resources, someone would have to work in the mines to get ore for metals, run the farms, etc.

 

Although I do in a sense agree with you. If we had the replicator technology on Star Trek, life would be a hell of a lot easier. I just wish for the moment, we could get "institutions of higher learning" to realize that a lot of their idea's are outmoded, such as not being able to look things up on smart phone during a test. Yeah, you MIGHT eventually need to know the information off of the top of your head, but for a lot of things (such as IT work), chances are you will be able to look something up if you need to. Not to mention this whole crusade that schools have against using Wikipedia as a legitimate source.

 

OH, and that annoying ass APA format they make us use, hate that shit. Just site the fucking source right then and there (after a quote) in the form of a goddamned hyperlink.

 

In essence, we need more nerds to run things, and fewer self interested jackasses.

[peanutsrevenge]

You'd still have the issue of resources, someone would have to work in the mines to get ore for metals, run the farms, etc.

 

Why?

The only reason people are still doing those kinds of jobs is because of the subsidies to have people do it rather than machines and automation.

Most of the menial labor jobs we have to persuade people to work (if you don't do 'something' your life will suck, here, do this shitty ass job) can be automated or would simply wouldn't exist at all without the need to transact 'money'.

Work towards getting people out of work rather than creating more shitty jobs for people to do.

There'll be a fair number of boring, lame jobs that'll need 'people' to do (monitor the machines and other stuff where a machine would be too complex or something), but there would be far more people happy to do a few hours a week if only for something to do and because they're contributing to society in some way.

The artists, engineers, teachers, journalists, researchers, police etc... are the kinds of roles where money usually gets in the way, they don't 'do it for the money', they do it because they enjoy it and are fortunate enough to be able to make a living in.

It's the kind of thinking behind The Zeitgeist Movement & The Venus Project which I've supported for some years now. There's a [uSB] Butt Tonne that's yet to be figured out and stuff that'll change as other bits get worked out etc... but it's a system that has the potential to be better than the one we have and possible for the (possibly) first time human history thanks to the advancements we've been technologically and socially but most of all thanks to having an open internet connecting people and ideas from around the globe (not one where the establishment controls the flow of information, ideas and communication).

[othertomperson]

I guess that's why Democrats still control the House and Senate? Or did they get booted for forcing us to go buy a product from a private company? Imagine how people would be pissed off if we were forced to buy 'internet' from Comcast or TWC yet that's what they did with medical insurance. But being forced to buy insurance from a private company is ok?

 

You're right. The whole thing should be public sector and Government controlled. Yeah Socialism!

[JEW UNIT NY]

So does this mean that Republicans are surrendering to Democrats for the next presidential election? If they continue digging like this, then that's what is going to happen. 

 

 

Didn't this whole net neutrality debate teach them that if the minority of people who care and follow this, could very well impact the majority (when they keep up the pressure)? 

[peanutsrevenge]

So does this mean that Republicans are surrendering to Democrats for the next presidential election? If they continue digging like this, then that's what is going to happen. 

 

 

Didn't this whole net neutrality debate teach them that if the minority of people who care and follow this, could very well impact the majority (when they keep up the pressure)? 

Don't get ahead of yourself dude, it had bugger all as usual to do with the voting public and everything to do with lobbying dollars.

http://news.sky.com/story/1412846/googles-record-spend-to-keep-net-neutral

[Cookie Monster]

Any American law with Freedom in the title is just like all those countries that used to have Democratic in their name; a big fat lie.

[Sharp_3yE]

they were given a shit ton of money the 90s to improve the infrastructure during the "national infrastructure act" during Clinton's term. ISPs decided to pocket the money instead and hike up the rates.

We tried letting them upgrade on their own , and in fact were paid to do so.

LOL I know. My comment was an ironic joke. He/she said "They don't need the freedom to do shit. They need to upgrade their fucking networks." That statement is contradicting. How can you be not free from upgrading the network yet upgrade the network? You can't. You much be free to do so. It's just funny. My comment was ALL about just what he said not what ISPs have done or could do.

 

ISPs have had all the time to make things much better and ISP's and legislation haven't done it. They have barley done anything and it's good that a few companies are trying to shake things up in this market such as Google. The new laws SHOULD help with this.

[MeDownYou]

1. I'd hardly say this is "republican's"

2. Can I read the FCC bill please?

3. I'd prefer only a service stipulation and suing the pants off of certain companies that price fix internet service. Why can't they provide me service, oh it's not in their section? WHO CARES. If i go to the post office they have to accept my package if it contains nothing liquid, hazardous or perishable. The same should be true for internet service especially for companies that shoot it wireless to your home. 

[SweatyWhiteJedi]

If they are that easy to buy, if we all chipped in a couple of bucks, think we could make them come up with some good laws?

It's actually interesting that some of the congressmen have only received around $70,000 from the big ISP's you think that not protecting the citizens you swore to protect from big business would cost more than that. 

[colonel_mortis]

This is a thread about the proposed "internet freedom act", not politics, socialism or free healthcare. Please stay on topic.

[mr moose]

 Imagine how people would be pissed off if we were forced to buy 'internet' from Comcast or TWC yet that's what they did with medical insurance.

 

 

Isn't that half the problem with NN? currently most of the US are forced to buy their internet from comcast or TWC.  No need to imagine, quite a few people are already living it.

[Stefan Becker]