PCMasterRace is Ignorant

[-TesseracT-]

I use my PC for everything. What I do on my PC:

 

• Play games, both PC and console games
• Browse the internet
• Listen to and manage my music collection
• Guitar Pro 6, both playing and editing tabs
• Programming
• Work-related stuff like Microsoft Word, Photoshop etc.
• Watch any kind of videos, youtube, movies, tv shows/series and porn
• Chatting and talking with people through skype etc.

PC's are everything.

[KRImSIN]

Okay i read the title of this thread and didn't read anything else sooo....

i'm just going to give my reply to the title....

 

[jbr]

Wii Fit Master race

 

 

[Erebus305]

Have you not see how console fanboys shred and insult each other online? Worse then pc gamers screaming "PCmasterrace".

[iphoneface]

Come at me.

 

PCMR argues its superiority for the wrong reasons, and why console plebs find PCMR to be irritating and foolish. Argue with me, if you'd like, but I feel like a lot of the arguments are not actually as solid as people would like to think. The ignorance of the PCMasterRace matches the ignorance they claim these console plebs have.

 

Somebody build me a $350 computer, with decent peripherals included, that can run all games on decent settings (ranging from 720-1080p), with a TDP of 100w, and is easy to set up. It also can't be based on Black Friday sales, used components, or old parts you "found throughout the house," because an Xbox One isn't based on any of those.

 

Come at me.

 

1) PC gaming is cheaper.

A: Dependent. What if, as I have now, I buy an Xbox One for $350, and get Destiny, Halo MCC, and Halo 5. I bought Destiny on sale for $30, with Xbox Live for $30, so that's a grand total of $530, and that's all I want. Now, to get a decent gaming computer to play all current games, I'm looking at a minimum of an i5-4440 and GTX 750 Ti, which could last awhile, but cost $500-600 depending on what else you buy on the PC (I've built 750 Ti & Pentium G3258 PCs for $500 with all the bling). Now include peripherals, then games, aaaaaannddd... The Xbox One was cheaper. Oh, well, that shouldn't happen, or be true, but it is. Also, people still buy games on release for PC at the full $60.

 

You can argue a G3258 is enough, but I disagree, since Far Cry 4 can't accommodate for Dual Cores, but the Xbox One can play FC4 fine.

 

2) Building a PC isn't hard.

A: It's not hard, but can be frustrating if you do something wrong. I can't say that "building a PC is hard" is a very effective argument, but I can easily argue, "I plugged in my Xbox, updated, and was ready to play." It was extremely easy, and still cheaper. Building a PC isn't hard, but setting up a console is even easier.

 

3) You have to deal with a cruddy community and little kids on a console.

A: I've met some really cool people on Destiny, and some really stupid kids on TF2. It's hard to summarize a community like that.

 

4) You can play with friends online.

A: It's 50x easier and cheaper to play with four friends in local multiplayer than setting up four laptops and computers for one game at one place.

 

5) You have to buy an entirely new console when Microsoft releases one.

A: And you have to upgrade a PC with the new consoles to match the new demands these new games might have. Ubisoft is a bad example, but a GTX 780 in the recommended specs for Watch_Dogs? That's probably just poor optimization, but I don't think PC will be getting the same great optimization that consoles have. There is also development on the Xbox 360 going on still, so you can easily wait for the next console to go down a little cheaper.

 

What do I think PCMR has? Obviously, a mouse and keyboard is undeniably the easier and better way to play. Not always comfortable for a couch or in local multiplayer, but the better way to play for a single gamer at a desk. Higher resolutions and better graphics is a major bonus for PC gaming. I'll argue with console plebs when one says the other is better, you're not buying the console for graphics, you're buying it for the exclusives, features, and controller. PC has the superior everything else. Modding support and better indie support, not to mention the constant F2P and reliance on digital media instead of physical discs (I prefer digital, but my internet is so bad). PC is, when you can afford it, the superior way to play games, but consoles are still great and serve a good purpose. At the price point they're being sold at, it's perfectly fine.

 

I like having a super PC, but the total and utter disrespect for consoles on here is ridiculous. They serve a purpose and they serve it well, I'm glad I own an Xbox One because of the games like Destiny and MCC. I have a minimum of 120 hours invested in Destiny already, but not so much on my PC for the past few months.

 

I'm also waiting for FC4 to go on sale for PC. I'd much rather have it on PC than console.

Well said sir. Well said.

[NumLock21]

Pfff PC pleb and Console pleb

I game with my rock and chisel

Rock and Chisel Master Race! :lol:

[Whorax]

1.) I think the community is better. I feel as if PC players are generally more helpful towards other PC players, along with them being genuinely nicer/more mature people. I get on GTA Online on my Xbox One and the first thing I hear is some 10 year old calling someone else a f*cking ni**er...lol.

2.) I like the fact that I can buy TONS of games for very little money compared to consoles. And these are quality games, too. I also like the games on PC better (games like CS:GO, Outlast, Amnesia, Penumbra, Minecraft, DayZ(even though it's nowhere near a well made game)). Lets not forget about the ability to mod numerous games like Fallout, The Elder Scrolls, etc etc. Lets not mention that Steam--and the entire internet, really--is a world full of indies full of potential and creativity for such a low price.

3.) PC is more reliable. After so many years of dealing with always getting booted out of Xbox LIVE parties for zero reason, going onto PC and using a chat program like Mumble to talk to my friends is phenomenal. The chat is so much more clear/high quality, and I can say that, aside from when it storms heavily outside and my internet goes out, I have never gotten booted from my Mumble chat.

4.) When I build a PC it's completely personalized to the way I do it. Everyone that has a console has the exact same console as so so so many other people. Building your own PC is unique. I'm pumped about building mine soon. My parts are actually being shipped as I type this.

 

That's all I can come up with at the moment. I'll add more if I come up with more. Haha.

[Sonefiler]

done

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/By2TNG

monitor not included because xb1 doesn't come with one, and even if you were going to buy one you either have to have a tv/monitor already or you're going to buy one with your console

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($69.98 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($48.98 @ OutletPC)

Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($27.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.98 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: XFX Radeon R7 260X 2GB Core Edition Video Card ($84.99 @ Newegg)

Case: Antec VSK-3000 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg)

Keyboard: Gigabyte KM5300 Wired Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($8.99 @ NCIX US)

Total: $325.89

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-02 15:27 EST-0500

Mine is better

[remilafo]

The only real argument that can be made imo is when it comes to exclusive titles, but that only matters when it's a title you actually want. 

 

Most other points come from pride, ego or bragging.

 

Consoles have always been about convenience, PC have usually always been about technology.

 

Remi Lafo 

[faftek]

This gives me an idea for the best off-topic thread ever.... Thanks

[Dabombinable]

With the first Xbox you got convenience AND technology, unfortunately with later generation consoles that has no longer been possible due to the rapid advancements and the fact that corners are cut where possible - surely it can't cost that much more to actually have 8GB of RAM for the system itself and 4GB for the graphics. The previous console lineups used dedicated and as a result were solid performers for their time, and they used desktop based CPUs not ones that wouldn't be out of place in laptops.

[Shahnewaz]

Can't believe how much influence Nvidia's PR army has over people (and fanboys).....

 

Back in PS3 days, the "PCMasterRace" slogan was barely a thing (at least according to what I've heard), even though consoles were much weaker then. AND the PS3 was powered by an NVIDIA custom GPU proudly named "Reality Synthesizer". Showing off that here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/1683/4

 

All of a sudden the "PCMasterRace" riot began when the next-gen consoles came out. Why? Cause Nvidia lost the deal this time. And obviously they we're butthurt BIG time! So what's the best thing to do? Simple, start firing the PR machine gun!

 

pew pew pew pew....

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/nvidia-compares-ps4-specs-to-a-low-end-cpu-1138051

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/nvidia_calls_ps4_%E2%80%9Clow_end%E2%80%9D123

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/150892-nvidia-gave-amd-ps4-because-console-margins-are-terrible

http://www.zdnet.com/article/nvidia-calls-ps4-hardware-low-end/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrshQuqY2m4

 

I expected that from NVIDIA but I never imagined it will have THIS MUCH of an influence. Just think about it. PCMasterRace and PCs vs consoles wars are everywhere.....

Job well done for NVIDIA's PR. They always do a fantastic job for the record.

[Dabombinable]

Can't believe how much influence Nvidia's PR army has over people (and fanboys).....

 

Back in PS3 days, the "PCMasterRace" slogan was barely a thing (at least according to what I've heard), even though consoles were much weaker then. AND the PS3 was powered by an NVIDIA custom GPU proudly named "Reality Synthesizer". Showing off that here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/1683/4

 

All of a sudden the "PCMasterRace" riot began when the next-gen consoles came out. Why? Cause Nvidia lost the deal this time. And obviously they we're butthurt BIG time! So what's the best thing to do? Simple, start firing the PR machine gun!

 

pew pew pew pew....

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/nvidia-compares-ps4-specs-to-a-low-end-cpu-1138051

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/nvidia_calls_ps4_%E2%80%9Clow_end%E2%80%9D123

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/150892-nvidia-gave-amd-ps4-because-console-margins-are-terrible

http://www.zdnet.com/article/nvidia-calls-ps4-hardware-low-end/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrshQuqY2m4

 

I expected that from NVIDIA but I never imagined it will have THIS MUCH of an influence. Just think about it. PCMasterRace and PCs vs consoles wars are everywhere.....

Job well done for NVIDIA's PR. They always do a fantastic job for the record.

Think of it this way, the only Xbox that ever beat computers of the time was the original with Nvidia graphics. At least they don't make the CPUs for the Xbox One though, they are embarrasing for a console.

[Verdandi]

Ehem. What an entertaining discussion that this will be!  Still Long Live #PCMASTERRACE! That's all thank you. Goes into the back seat... B)

[Stadiz]

http://i32.tinypic.com/amrrxh.jpg

[Vivilacqua1]

This is STILL going on?!

[MeepLikesToBuildPc's]

This is something so many people fail to realize so much. A lot of good a well built custom rig does you when your friends are using crappy Dell boxes. Not everyone is a tech enthusiasts and it's easier getting friends together to game on the couch vs expecting all of them to have decently powerful computers.

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[Cwazywazy]

[Shahnewaz]

Think of it this way, the only Xbox that ever beat computers of the time was the original with Nvidia graphics. At least they don't make the CPUs for the Xbox One though, they are embarrasing for a console.

The Xbox GPU performance was similar to the GeForce 4 Ti4200, which was a slightly cheaper and slower model of the GeForce 4 Ti4400. Outperforming models were the GeForce Ti 4400, Ti 4600, Ti 4800 and the Ti 4800 SE.

I don't see why making anything for a console is embarrassing. It's a steady source of income. B)

[Aseliot]

1) PC gaming is cheaper.

 

PC gaming is mostly more expensive yes, but it boils down to what you want. Most console players seem to be under the impression that they have to buy a 1200 dollar/euro PC in order to play the newest games on ultra. Now why would they want to buy such expensive hardware if they can't afford it. Consoles don't run games on "PC Ultra", they even have to compromises like turning it down to 900 pixels and still get 30fps. I've played GTA 5 on XboX 360 and i've seen it drop down below or very close to 24 fps when driving in a very fast car. Talking about compromises The Evil Within has to put black bars on the screen to be able to get a decent framerate... seriously? This is the next Gen they have been bragging about huh. It's not the point that here that the console is slow, the point is that 1080p has been around for ages now (in computing time) and sometimes the Xbox One still can't deliver it. (PS4 does a better job though) These consoles are advertised to be able to run at full HD but the games don't do this all the time, so it's basically false advertising just like the pre-rendered screenshots on the back of the game cases.

 

The nice thing about a PC is that you can actually build it over an extended period of time. Buy much shittier stuff at first (cheap case, ~50/80 mobo, no ssd) and then replace them with better parts along the way. Also people always seem to act like you only buy the console and then it's done. And then they still want a 500 dollar to tv to go with that which still brings you to around 800. You can get an 1080p LCD screen for 80, and you don't need all the uber glowy razer peripherals either. 

 

Also people, no matter how poor they are, always seem to want to be able to play the latest most expensive games. How about you just go on steam and buy some older ones that you haven't played yet or check out some awesome indie games that nobody seems to give the attention some of them deserve. 

 

You can argue a G3258 is enough, but I disagree, since Far Cry 4 can't accommodate for Dual Cores, but the Xbox One can play FC4 fine.

But that's not the PC's fault, the developers are the one making the game they are responsible for how well it runs on your system. Note in my link of console resolutions that FC4 runs on 30 fps max on both, and I bet mine still looks better. I also admit i don't see the value of this CPU it's fast but i'd rather buy a FX4300/6300 or something.

 

2) Building a PC isn't hard.

And when your console breaks you can't repair it without voiding the warranty. You have to send it back and god knows what happens with it. You might get a new one (Which I highly doubt) but might as well get someone elses or get somekind of secondhand solution jammed in there to replace your broken parts. You just don't know. And sure leave a mark on the casing somewhere, as if they can't remove all the components from one casing and put it in yours. 

 

You know you can also buy pre-built PC's which aren't all that bad, or get a second-hand one. You can also buy your parts, go to a local PC shop and get it build for ~25 euros over here if you want.

 

3) You have to deal with a cruddy community and little kids on a console.

If you can believe certain studies the average gamers is apparently between 25-35  

But I guess the annoying kiddies are the only one's who get all the attention because the older players are more reserved/relaxed and stand out less. (On both platforms obviously)

 

4) You can play with friends online.

Anything a console can do the PC can do too, it's just that the developers don't seem to understand that controller work fine on PC too. Dirt 3 has splitscreen though, and so does Serious Sam.

 

5) You have to buy an entirely new console when Microsoft releases one.

So I mentioned the Xbox One still not being able to handle 1080p at 60 fps right? What are they going to do when in 2-3 years 4k starts to slowly take over. Even if they release a new console 6-8 years from now I can't imagine it would be able to play 4k natively at this rate. Might not even get to 1440p. I bought my GPU (7950) a while back when the Xbox One wasn't out yet and it had already beaten them. Granted it did cost me 310 euros at the time but i've used it now for almost more than 2 years and can run every game i throw at it (albeit not at ultra offcourse, i'm not that rich) The beauty of PC also being that you could risk buying a second GPU if it seems to lag behind a little bit.

 

 

I am not a PC master race person or anything but I do believe that consoles have no redeeming values whatsoever. For starters just hope the steambox sells...

 

you're buying it for the exclusives, features, and controller

 

What features? Controllers also on PC. I find it very hypocritical of people who complain about expensive PC's to buy an Xbox One just to play Halo or Destiny or whatever.

 

The main power of PC is the community, and I mean not as in that they are better people but as in community created content. Great examples of this are Warcraft 3, Arma 3, Skyrim, Minecraft, Half Life 2 which all have a great variery of awesome mods. And DayZ which was basically made possible because people liked the mod. If we only had consoles these games might not even have been possible. The PC is more accessible in other ways than just being for the general consumer.

[Mines_Skyline]

PCMasterRace IS ignorant, but a GTX 980 is no match for a PS4 or XB1.

[Timmy-P]

Here's my responses, in red.

Come at me.

 

PCMR argues its superiority for the wrong reasons, and why console plebs find PCMR to be irritating and foolish. Argue with me, if you'd like, but I feel like a lot of the arguments are not actually as solid as people would like to think. The ignorance of the PCMasterRace matches the ignorance they claim these console plebs have.

 

Somebody build me a $350 computer, with decent peripherals included, that can run all games on decent settings (ranging from 720-1080p), with a TDP of 100w, and is easy to set up. It also can't be based on Black Friday sales, used components, or old parts you "found throughout the house," because an Xbox One isn't based on any of those.

 

Come at me.

 

1) PC gaming is cheaper.

A: Dependent. What if, as I have now, I buy an Xbox One for $350, and get Destiny, Halo MCC, and Halo 5. I bought Destiny on sale for $30, with Xbox Live for $30, so that's a grand total of $530, and that's all I want. Now, to get a decent gaming computer to play all current games, I'm looking at a minimum of an i5-4440 and GTX 750 Ti, which could last awhile, but cost $500-600 depending on what else you buy on the PC (I've built 750 Ti & Pentium G3258 PCs for $500 with all the bling). Now include peripherals, then games, aaaaaannddd... The Xbox One was cheaper. Oh, well, that shouldn't happen, or be true, but it is. Also, people still buy games on release for PC at the full $60.

This is assuming you are choosing between a console, or a computer that does nothing but play games.  Take this $400 Xbox One, and combine it with a decent, $500-600 laptop or computer for basic use, such as Emailing and web surfing.  But why not combine the two, as well as their prices?  Sub-grand gaming PCs are more than sufficient for a reasonable budget, which can do everything a cheaper computer and console can do, all in one package.  Also keep in mind the lack of Internet service you'd pay for on top of your ISP, and less chances of sales.

You can argue a G3258 is enough, but I disagree, since Far Cry 4 can't accommodate for Dual Cores, but the Xbox One can play FC4 fine.

K

2) Building a PC isn't hard.

A: It's not hard, but can be frustrating if you do something wrong. I can't say that "building a PC is hard" is a very effective argument, but I can easily argue, "I plugged in my Xbox, updated, and was ready to play." It was extremely easy, and still cheaper. Building a PC isn't hard, but setting up a console is even easier.

Very true; however what if something goes wrong?  What would you do?  With a PC, since you know what's inside you can easily throw open the case and poke around; who knows, maybe it needs a little dusting?  With a console, the firmware is a bit more locked-down, and in extreme cases you'd be force to kiss your entire system goodbye, rather than a singled-out component.

3) You have to deal with a cruddy community and little kids on a console.

A: I've met some really cool people on Destiny, and some really stupid kids on TF2. It's hard to summarize a community like that.

So have I.  However the higher-perceived complexity of what is PC Gaming tends to keep the less tolerable people away, it seems.  The ability of customization and modding also brings out the better side of people as well.

4) You can play with friends online.

A: It's 50x easier and cheaper to play with four friends in local multiplayer than setting up four laptops and computers for one game at one place.

I'm genuinely a bit confused here; your response to online multiplayer apparently being non-existent on consoles, albeit false, is the simplicity of LAN?  That is also true, but your statements don't add up.

5) You have to buy an entirely new console when Microsoft releases one.

A: And you have to upgrade a PC with the new consoles to match the new demands these new games might have. Ubisoft is a bad example, but a GTX 780 in the recommended specs for Watch_Dogs? That's probably just poor optimization, but I don't think PC will be getting the same great optimization that consoles have. There is also development on the Xbox 360 going on still, so you can easily wait for the next console to go down a little cheaper.

With gaming rigs, you have a bit more flexibility; rather than dropping your console and everything bound to it, you can instead opt for a bit more RAM, or a new GPU or CPU, or a strong overclock, which up front is a bit cheaper.  Down the road, it's a different story.  Also keep in mind that cross-platform AAA games that are ported over to PC tend to be limited in... potential so that consoles can play it smoothly.  Which is why we have an options menu.

What do I think PCMR has? Obviously, a mouse and keyboard is undeniably the easier and better way to play. Not always comfortable for a couch or in local multiplayer, but the better way to play for a single gamer at a desk. Higher resolutions and better graphics is a major bonus for PC gaming. I'll argue with console plebs when one says the other is better, you're not buying the console for graphics, you're buying it for the exclusives, features, and controller. PC has the superior everything else. Modding support and better indie support, not to mention the constant F2P and reliance on digital media instead of physical discs (I prefer digital, but my internet is so bad). PC is, when you can afford it, the superior way to play games, but consoles are still great and serve a good purpose. At the price point they're being sold at, it's perfectly fine.

 

I like having a super PC, but the total and utter disrespect for consoles on here is ridiculous. They serve a purpose and they serve it well, I'm glad I own an Xbox One because of the games like Destiny and MCC. I have a minimum of 120 hours invested in Destiny already, but not so much on my PC for the past few months.

 

I'm also waiting for FC4 to go on sale for PC. I'd much rather have it on PC than console.

*Ta-daaaaaaa...*

There they are.  Go for it.

[Grubite]

[cesrai]

I'm going to get butthurt and say this is so offending PCMASTERRACE is not a joke you just offended me you are so ignorant and offensive.

[Mooshi]

 

lel

 

The 360 hasn't be relevant since I was in highschool and I'm a little younger than Linus. Models and textures in both don't look all that spectacular, it looks more like a slight bump above Second Life. That tree in the background looks especially bad. Sharper textures does not make for a better game on its own, visual appeal does. A cell shaded game will still look as good a decade later vs a 3D title that will look dated within a couple of years.