PCMasterRace is Ignorant

[Seldszar]

I just came back to console gaming after a few years and god the games are expensives as hell. 65$ for a new game? On PC, you wait 2 months (sometimes even less) and its 50% on sale ... In the long run PC is cheaper if you play more than 1 game once in a while.

 

Im not even counting the other useful things a PC can do a console can't realy do as good or at all.

 

I like to play the console exclusives though. I also like to play with some friends who don't have a good enough computer. Those are the only 2 reasons I have a console.

[MEC-777]

I have a dual core i3 with a 7770 2GB, and can run far cry 4 at max settings 1080p 60fps easily. My entire build cost like $550. 

Dont have money for a game? torrent it..

 

The Xbox One GPU is about equal to a 7770 and yet it can't run FC4 at 1080p 60fps on medium/high settings (and sometimes dips below 30). So I highly doubt your PC can do that. Will believe it when I see it. 

 

Also, don't have money for a game? Just wait for a Steam sale. Witcher 2 Enhanced Edition is $3 on Steam right now. 

[asim1999]

The title is so misleading. And you have to remember PC gaming was created BEFORE consoles when the first proper computer game was developed in the 1960s with a screen and everything. 

And yes, the consoles have been more advanced than PCs but then 8th generation fell short, especially now in 2014 when we have cheap wonders like the Pentium G3258. PC gaming has never been so affordable until now. 

[LeKnightHawk]

The Xbox One GPU is about equal to a 7770 and yet it can't run FC4 at 1080p 60fps on medium/high settings (and sometimes dips below 30). So I highly doubt your PC can do that. Will believe it when I see it. 

 

Also, don't have money for a game? Just wait for a Steam sale. Witcher 2 Enhanced Edition is $3 on Steam right now. 

[TheKDub]

I understood from this that you know pc is superior, which really is all that pcmr should be, just because someone mainly plays console doesnt mean they cant be a part of pcmr, who knows, maybe they like the controller more, but know pc is better and would playpc more if they had a controller for it, or they dont have nearly as many games on pc than on console, or whatever the reason.

[Rhotis]

Come at me.

 

PCMR argues its superiority for the wrong reasons, and why console plebs find PCMR to be irritating and foolish. Argue with me, if you'd like, but I feel like a lot of the arguments are not actually as solid as people would like to think. The ignorance of the PCMasterRace matches the ignorance they claim these console plebs have.

 

Somebody build me a $350 computer, with decent peripherals included, that can run all games on decent settings (ranging from 720-1080p), with a TDP of 100w, and is easy to set up. It also can't be based on Black Friday sales, used components, or old parts you "found throughout the house," because an Xbox One isn't based on any of those.

 

Come at me.

 

1) PC gaming is cheaper.

A: Dependent. What if, as I have now, I buy an Xbox One for $350, and get Destiny, Halo MCC, and Halo 5. I bought Destiny on sale for $30, with Xbox Live for $30, so that's a grand total of $530, and that's all I want. Now, to get a decent gaming computer to play all current games, I'm looking at a minimum of an i5-4440 and GTX 750 Ti, which could last awhile, but cost $500-600 depending on what else you buy on the PC (I've built 750 Ti & Pentium G3258 PCs for $500 with all the bling). Now include peripherals, then games, aaaaaannddd... The Xbox One was cheaper. Oh, well, that shouldn't happen, or be true, but it is. Also, people still buy games on release for PC at the full $60.

 

You can argue a G3258 is enough, but I disagree, since Far Cry 4 can't accommodate for Dual Cores, but the Xbox One can play FC4 fine.

 

2) Building a PC isn't hard.

A: It's not hard, but can be frustrating if you do something wrong. I can't say that "building a PC is hard" is a very effective argument, but I can easily argue, "I plugged in my Xbox, updated, and was ready to play." It was extremely easy, and still cheaper. Building a PC isn't hard, but setting up a console is even easier.

 

3) You have to deal with a cruddy community and little kids on a console.

A: I've met some really cool people on Destiny, and some really stupid kids on TF2. It's hard to summarize a community like that.

 

4) You can play with friends online.

A: It's 50x easier and cheaper to play with four friends in local multiplayer than setting up four laptops and computers for one game at one place.

 

5) You have to buy an entirely new console when Microsoft releases one.

A: And you have to upgrade a PC with the new consoles to match the new demands these new games might have. Ubisoft is a bad example, but a GTX 780 in the recommended specs for Watch_Dogs? That's probably just poor optimization, but I don't think PC will be getting the same great optimization that consoles have. There is also development on the Xbox 360 going on still, so you can easily wait for the next console to go down a little cheaper.

 

What do I think PCMR has? Obviously, a mouse and keyboard is undeniably the easier and better way to play. Not always comfortable for a couch or in local multiplayer, but the better way to play for a single gamer at a desk. Higher resolutions and better graphics is a major bonus for PC gaming. I'll argue with console plebs when one says the other is better, you're not buying the console for graphics, you're buying it for the exclusives, features, and controller. PC has the superior everything else. Modding support and better indie support, not to mention the constant F2P and reliance on digital media instead of physical discs (I prefer digital, but my internet is so bad). PC is, when you can afford it, the superior way to play games, but consoles are still great and serve a good purpose. At the price point they're being sold at, it's perfectly fine.

 

I like having a super PC, but the total and utter disrespect for consoles on here is ridiculous. They serve a purpose and they serve it well, I'm glad I own an Xbox One because of the games like Destiny and MCC. I have a minimum of 120 hours invested in Destiny already, but not so much on my PC for the past few months.

 

I'm also waiting for FC4 to go on sale for PC. I'd much rather have it on PC than console.

 

 

Seriously you are butthurt over a meme?  

 

PCMR is a joke and a statement on the advantages of PC gaming.  

 

Driving games - Suck with a controller as well.  To really enjoy a driving game you need a wheel whether you are on PC or console

 

FC4 need more cores - Finally a game developer is pushing some limits

 

You say we cant use sale stuff in our responjses but you talk about console sales in yours.  Kinda silly

 

You talk about the PC needing "all the peripherals"  So does the xbox and ps.  You get a controller.  THats great.  Its a controller.  Want to be competitive in FPS you will need to go buy a KB and mouse for them.  Want to race with proper control you still need to buy a wheel and pedals.  Both require peripherals to get the best experiences.  

 

You do not need an i5.  You can spend less than 100 bucks and get a x4 860.  You can spend a little bit more and get an 8320.  You can pair that with a 270x or a 280 depending on pricing at the time and get way better performance than the consoles are going to give.  

 

The consoles have ease of use.  I think everyone gets that.  It is their strength.  You buy it, plug it in and usually its good for 5 years unless it dies on you because they stuffed too much crap into a TDP that is on the bleeding edge and easy to tip over.  Then you buy it again if you are not under warranty.  I know plenty of people that spent a good grand on the xbox 360 over the years rebuying the thing as theirs died on them.  

 

Both have advantages and disadvantages.  Why you so butthurt over a meme though?  

[-iSynthesis]

But...

[MEC-777]

-snip-

 

Yes, I'm well aware. You do realize he was using a GTX 480 for that test - a "high-end" GPU at the time it was released, not a lower-end mainstream GPU like a 7770. The fact is the GPU in the Xbox One is very close/similar to that of the 7770. So no, I don't believe you can run FC4 at 1080p max settings at 60fps. Maybe if you're looking at a wall that's 2 feet in front of you and nothing else.

[RevoltTrain]

Yes, I'm well aware. You do realize he was using a GTX 480 for that test - a "high-end" GPU at the time it was released, not a lower-end mainstream GPU like a 7770. The fact is the GPU in the Xbox One is very close/similar to that of the 7770. So no, I don't believe you can run FC4 at 1080p max settings at 60fps. Maybe if you're looking at a wall that's 2 feet in front of you and nothing else.

His rig can do it, I know this because I've seen LeKnightHawk (IRL friend for 10 years now) play Far Cry 4 at those settings and it was butter smooth

[tacticalpanic]

This is the same for pc and console alike, except pc has more exclusives than both new consoles combined.  Though yes it comes down to exclusives, no point in 4k/144fps blah blah if the game you really want to play is on a console, for instance smash bros is a system seller imo and makes the entire console worth it for that one game for alot of people.

 

Though I just play ProjectM(modded smash bros) through an emulator, with better aa options and dsr etc it looks the same if not better than the new smash just out. Again flexability pc can pritty much do it all.

 

and not just one game , I personally i'm a fighting game enthusiast, so a ps3/ps4 means i have the ability to buy any fighting game i wish, pc your pretty much stuck with ultra street fighter IV and theres never any guarantees unlike a PlayStation.

[MEC-777]

His rig can do it, I know this because I've seen LeKnightHawk (IRL friend for 10 years now) play Far Cry 4 at those settings and it was butter smooth

 

FC4 must not be a very demanding game then. 

[LeKnightHawk]

His rig can do it, I know this because I've seen LeKnightHawk (IRL friend for 10 years now) play Far Cry 4 at those settings and it was butter smooth

<3 thanks bud. I dont know why he thinks it so hard to believe. The 7770 2GB version rips a new one to the 480, easily. 

[MEC-777]

<3 thanks bud. I dont know why he thinks it so hard to believe. The 7770 2GB version rips a new one to the 480, easily. 

 

It's not hard to understand why I think it's hard to believe. The Xbox One has the equivalent GPU capabilities of the 7770 and yet only manages 30fps (most of the time) in the same game at lower settings. It's only logical to assume the same GPU in a PC running the same game wouldn't be able to achieve twice the frame rate at higher settings.

 

If it is true (what you say), and I'm not saying it's not possible, then there must be quite the CPU bottlenecking going on in the Xbox One. An i3 certainly wouldn't hold back a 7770. Perhaps that's part of the difference that's being observed here. That and the combination of slower ram in the console as well. 

[just-cause999]

Come at me.

 

PCMR argues its superiority for the wrong reasons, and why console plebs find PCMR to be irritating and foolish. Argue with me, if you'd like, but I feel like a lot of the arguments are not actually as solid as people would like to think. The ignorance of the PCMasterRace matches the ignorance they claim these console plebs have.

 

Somebody build me a $350 computer, with decent peripherals included, that can run all games on decent settings (ranging from 720-1080p), with a TDP of 100w, and is easy to set up. It also can't be based on Black Friday sales, used components, or old parts you "found throughout the house," because an Xbox One isn't based on any of those.

 

Come at me.

 

1) PC gaming is cheaper.

A: Dependent. What if, as I have now, I buy an Xbox One for $350, and get Destiny, Halo MCC, and Halo 5. I bought Destiny on sale for $30, with Xbox Live for $30, so that's a grand total of $530, and that's all I want. Now, to get a decent gaming computer to play all current games, I'm looking at a minimum of an i5-4440 and GTX 750 Ti, which could last awhile, but cost $500-600 depending on what else you buy on the PC (I've built 750 Ti & Pentium G3258 PCs for $500 with all the bling). Now include peripherals, then games, aaaaaannddd... The Xbox One was cheaper. Oh, well, that shouldn't happen, or be true, but it is. Also, people still buy games on release for PC at the full $60.

 

You can argue a G3258 is enough, but I disagree, since Far Cry 4 can't accommodate for Dual Cores, but the Xbox One can play FC4 fine.

 

2) Building a PC isn't hard.

A: It's not hard, but can be frustrating if you do something wrong. I can't say that "building a PC is hard" is a very effective argument, but I can easily argue, "I plugged in my Xbox, updated, and was ready to play." It was extremely easy, and still cheaper. Building a PC isn't hard, but setting up a console is even easier.

 

3) You have to deal with a cruddy community and little kids on a console.

A: I've met some really cool people on Destiny, and some really stupid kids on TF2. It's hard to summarize a community like that.

 

4) You can play with friends online.

A: It's 50x easier and cheaper to play with four friends in local multiplayer than setting up four laptops and computers for one game at one place.

 

5) You have to buy an entirely new console when Microsoft releases one.

A: And you have to upgrade a PC with the new consoles to match the new demands these new games might have. Ubisoft is a bad example, but a GTX 780 in the recommended specs for Watch_Dogs? That's probably just poor optimization, but I don't think PC will be getting the same great optimization that consoles have. There is also development on the Xbox 360 going on still, so you can easily wait for the next console to go down a little cheaper.

 

What do I think PCMR has? Obviously, a mouse and keyboard is undeniably the easier and better way to play. Not always comfortable for a couch or in local multiplayer, but the better way to play for a single gamer at a desk. Higher resolutions and better graphics is a major bonus for PC gaming. I'll argue with console plebs when one says the other is better, you're not buying the console for graphics, you're buying it for the exclusives, features, and controller. PC has the superior everything else. Modding support and better indie support, not to mention the constant F2P and reliance on digital media instead of physical discs (I prefer digital, but my internet is so bad). PC is, when you can afford it, the superior way to play games, but consoles are still great and serve a good purpose. At the price point they're being sold at, it's perfectly fine.

 

I like having a super PC, but the total and utter disrespect for consoles on here is ridiculous. They serve a purpose and they serve it well, I'm glad I own an Xbox One because of the games like Destiny and MCC. I have a minimum of 120 hours invested in Destiny already, but not so much on my PC for the past few months.

 

I'm also waiting for FC4 to go on sale for PC. I'd much rather have it on PC than console.

A CONSOLE IS JUST A LOW END PC.. WHY EVEN BOTHER ARGUING WHICH ONE IS BETTER! BOTH ARE PCS, but of course a consle will never nave 64+ gigs of ram at 2800, 8 cores at 5ghz or 4 way 780ti's, all overclocked and liquid cooled.... soo yeah

[What's a GPU?]

Each has it's advantages, and we pretty much all know it. However a PC has customization options that an Xbox simply does not have. If you have the money, time, and interest you can build a machine that can far outperform a console. Beyond this, PC's can do FARRRR more than a console, games may be more optimized for consoles; but my Xbox one can't run Photoshop. If you just want to sit down and play and don't want to dedicate time and money to building your machine, then yes console gaming is for you. If you want to be on the cutting edge of hardware and run games at much higher resolutions, go join the PCMR community. If you are like me, and see the advantages of both, then you can have both. Just my thoughts. 

[angrylemon]

i have a gtx 660... can run all games I OWN on max / medium settings...

[just-cause999]

i have a gtx 660... can run all games I OWN on max / medium settings...

The only thing you probably own is Minecraft! (JK )

[nightmare_Vg]

Come at me.

 

PCMR argues its superiority for the wrong reasons, and why console plebs find PCMR to be irritating and foolish. Argue with me, if you'd like, but I feel like a lot of the arguments are not actually as solid as people would like to think. The ignorance of the PCMasterRace matches the ignorance they claim these console plebs have.

 

Somebody build me a $350 computer, with decent peripherals included, that can run all games on decent settings (ranging from 720-1080p), with a TDP of 100w, and is easy to set up. It also can't be based on Black Friday sales, used components, or old parts you "found throughout the house," because an Xbox One isn't based on any of those.

 

Come at me.

 

1) PC gaming is cheaper.

A: Dependent. What if, as I have now, I buy an Xbox One for $350, and get Destiny, Halo MCC, and Halo 5. I bought Destiny on sale for $30, with Xbox Live for $30, so that's a grand total of $530, and that's all I want. Now, to get a decent gaming computer to play all current games, I'm looking at a minimum of an i5-4440 and GTX 750 Ti, which could last awhile, but cost $500-600 depending on what else you buy on the PC (I've built 750 Ti & Pentium G3258 PCs for $500 with all the bling). Now include peripherals, then games, aaaaaannddd... The Xbox One was cheaper. Oh, well, that shouldn't happen, or be true, but it is. Also, people still buy games on release for PC at the full $60.

 

You can argue a G3258 is enough, but I disagree, since Far Cry 4 can't accommodate for Dual Cores, but the Xbox One can play FC4 fine.

 

2) Building a PC isn't hard.

A: It's not hard, but can be frustrating if you do something wrong. I can't say that "building a PC is hard" is a very effective argument, but I can easily argue, "I plugged in my Xbox, updated, and was ready to play." It was extremely easy, and still cheaper. Building a PC isn't hard, but setting up a console is even easier.

 

3) You have to deal with a cruddy community and little kids on a console.

A: I've met some really cool people on Destiny, and some really stupid kids on TF2. It's hard to summarize a community like that.

 

4) You can play with friends online.

A: It's 50x easier and cheaper to play with four friends in local multiplayer than setting up four laptops and computers for one game at one place.

 

5) You have to buy an entirely new console when Microsoft releases one.

A: And you have to upgrade a PC with the new consoles to match the new demands these new games might have. Ubisoft is a bad example, but a GTX 780 in the recommended specs for Watch_Dogs? That's probably just poor optimization, but I don't think PC will be getting the same great optimization that consoles have. There is also development on the Xbox 360 going on still, so you can easily wait for the next console to go down a little cheaper.

 

What do I think PCMR has? Obviously, a mouse and keyboard is undeniably the easier and better way to play. Not always comfortable for a couch or in local multiplayer, but the better way to play for a single gamer at a desk. Higher resolutions and better graphics is a major bonus for PC gaming. I'll argue with console plebs when one says the other is better, you're not buying the console for graphics, you're buying it for the exclusives, features, and controller. PC has the superior everything else. Modding support and better indie support, not to mention the constant F2P and reliance on digital media instead of physical discs (I prefer digital, but my internet is so bad). PC is, when you can afford it, the superior way to play games, but consoles are still great and serve a good purpose. At the price point they're being sold at, it's perfectly fine.

 

I like having a super PC, but the total and utter disrespect for consoles on here is ridiculous. They serve a purpose and they serve it well, I'm glad I own an Xbox One because of the games like Destiny and MCC. I have a minimum of 120 hours invested in Destiny already, but not so much on my PC for the past few months.

 

I'm also waiting for FC4 to go on sale for PC. I'd much rather have it on PC than console.

The consoles dont offer a TV or monitor they expect you have one 

[WhisperingNarwhals]

PCMR isn't even a real thing. It's just a joke that we came up with.

http://reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace doesn't look like a joke to me.

[Noctus]

Ummm... you do realize gamepad controllers can be used with PCs, right? Like the 360 controller? You're not restricted to using the KB and mouse for PC gaming. That's a huge benefit of PC - use any controller you want. Also, there's these for racing games:

More of these wheels are compatible with PC than there are compatible with any console. Plus PC has exclusive serious hard-core racing sim games, where none exist for the consoles. (Forza and GT are not racing sims).

As for the whole PCMR thing, it's getting a bit old. I'm getting tired of all the arguing and bickering. Game on what ever platform you prefer and is most enjoyable to you. The best way to make all this PCMR / console pleb BS go away is to STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!!!

Back in the day GT was a racing sim. Am the way up to 3. No idea what is like now since I stopped playing it after that when I switched to playing PC more.

[projectmayhem]

I've owned many consoles throughout my life and could never buy all the games I wanted to play because of price or because consoles were not backwards compatible.

Now that I have a PC I have more games than I could ever play. Seriously, I have played less than half the games I own. I also love that I can emulate all the childhood games for free.

[Octagoncow]

I think that consoles are a great value for the price and plan on picking up a PS4/Wii-U once it drops to around $200 in a few years and I can get some really cheap games (hopefully). My problem with consoles are for two reasons:

 

1. playing first person shooters at 30fps give me a headache. Maybe most people don't notice the difference and it doesn't bother me as much for 3rd person games, but having most titles at 30fps is a major mark against it. 30fps vs 60fps is as obvious as night and day for me.

 

2. I'm REALLY cheap when it comes to purchasing games. For whatever reason, I don't mind spending $400 on a graphics card, but I find it really hard to justify buying a game at $60. Most console titles don't drop around the $5-$10 price range that I like to buy at. I guess my logic is that the $400 graphics card will allow me to enjoy hundreds of hours playing a game (my GTX 670 has seen over 1000 hours of games), whereas an actual game won't last more than 30-50 hours most of the time. (I spend roughly $50 a year on video games)

 

Consoles and PCs both fit different use cases and have their ups and downs which makes it hard/impossible to say that one is objectively better for every person. Just because I prefer a PC doesn't mean that everyone else should. If anything I think that a world with only PC gamers would  be pretty awful.

[Flyguygamer]

Austin Evans

Build a $300 gaming pc that KILLS the xbone (Quad core cpu, 4gb ram, r7 240)

Add a kb and mouse that is decent and $325 or $330

No you have $20 to buy cheap steam games and get 6 games for the price on one console game.

You need a tv for the xbone or a monitor for the pc.

 

[jayctech]

$350? Damn. You americans get this shit for cheap.

[typographie]

1) PC gaming is cheaper.

A: Dependent. What if, as I have now, I buy an Xbox One for $350, and get Destiny, Halo MCC, and Halo 5. I bought Destiny on sale for $30, with Xbox Live for $30, so that's a grand total of $530, and that's all I want. Now, to get a decent gaming computer to play all current games, I'm looking at a minimum of an i5-4440 and GTX 750 Ti, which could last awhile, but cost $500-600 depending on what else you buy on the PC (I've built 750 Ti & Pentium G3258 PCs for $500 with all the bling). Now include peripherals, then games, aaaaaannddd... The Xbox One was cheaper. Oh, well, that shouldn't happen, or be true, but it is. Also, people still buy games on release for PC at the full $60.

I'm also waiting for FC4 to go on sale for PC. I'd much rather have it on PC than console.

 

The system you've shown as an example is going to vastly outperform an Xbox One in the majority of titles. That it ends up only a bit more expensive looks like a win to me.

 

To keep things as equal as possible, the hardware shouldn't have to exceed 30 FPS at Xbone resolutions in most games.