Linus called adblock users scummy

[v3nture]

Being upset at the fact that Linus called adblock users "scummy" means those words are true. Either use it and dont give a shit what others say or dont use it and deal with ads.

[jmaster299]

I have a right to not be bombarded by ads that take control of my browser, pop up a large window on my screen, auto play videos or produce any sound of any kind. If ads were nothing more than inoffensive static banner ads, things would be different. The argument that you can disable ad blockers for trusted sites is complete bullshit. Even sites that I fully trust can still end up displaying ads that do all the crap I just mentioned, and sometimes worse. Hackers pay for ads through all the same ad services that legit companies do, and those ads can end up redirecting you to a malicious page.

[Misanthrope]

they are scummy.

No. I have no problems with Linus asking nicely to consider avoiding it for his content but to expect people to avoid it entirely as a point of principle? The Internet becomes unusable. Too many websites and people go too far with ads and their content isn't worth the trouble, and thats even if it's their content most people don't produce heavily like LMG

For every awesome youtuber like linus there's 100 that honestly don't deserve to make any money from their crap yet they do

[Tayze13]

He's not saying that your wrong for that. Just that there are some good guys out there and that we are taking their income.  You can pick and choose what you block quite easily

 

 

I have a right to not be bombarded by ads that take control of my browser, pop up a large window on my screen, auto play videos or produce any sound of any kind. If ads were nothing more than inoffensive static banner ads, things would be different. The argument that you can disable ad blockers for trusted sites is complete bullshit. Even sites that I fully trust can still end up displaying ads that do all the crap I just mentioned, and sometimes worse. Hackers pay for ads through all the same ad services that legit companies do, and those ads can end up redirecting you to a malicious page.

[ANNIHILATOR284]

I don't use adblock for that one and only reason

[LinusTech]

No. I have no problems with Linus asking nicely to consider avoiding it for his content but to expect people to avoid it entirely as a point of principle? The Internet becomes unusable. Too many websites and people go too far with ads and their content isn't worth the trouble, and thats even if it's their content most people don't produce heavily like LMG

And I guess that's my main issue here. What we do is incredibly time consuming and expensive. Many type of content that "get lots of views" are (relatively speaking) very easy and fast to make but we work very hard every day to keep improving.

I just want the money to keep investing in making what we do better.

Usually I can be pretty calculating and logical about things, but I'm incredibly passionate about what we do here at LMG so I used a word I probably shouldn't have.

[pk-man]

PR 101:

If you want your viewers to do something (not use adblock), you don't shout personal attacks against them on stream.

 

I understand where Linus is coming from, but the way he handled it was in extremely poor taste. He could've simply explained how adblock can hurt his business and ask the community to whitelist LTT.  I think he crossed the line and I lost a bit respect for him.  The reasons people use adblock is because the majority of the ads are very intrusive and hurt the overall browsing experience.

[KamiKatze]

I am still waiting for an easy option to whitelist single youtube channels (without having to go to their channel itself and watch the videos there).

 

The forum is whitelisted.

[Misanthrope]

He's not saying that your wrong for that. Just that there are some good guys out there and that we are taking their income.  You can pick and choose what you block quite easily

Not that easy on YouTube.

[Tayze13]

No. I have no problems with Linus asking nicely to consider avoiding it for his content but to expect people to avoid it entirely as a point of principle? The Internet becomes unusable. Too many websites and people go too far with ads and their content isn't worth the trouble, and thats even if it's their content most people don't produce heavily like LMG

I don't think he cares if you get rid of the annoying useless ads.... think he said that on e the live stream. he is just saying that, since he does this for a living, your taking money from his family sorta.  Sure he phrased it terribly, but the point is that there are good ads and bad ads, and he wants us to know how it can affect content creators.

Like i said the it seemed like he got a little too excited when he started talking about it, and kinda flew off the handle.... Not defending him that's just my 2 cents.

Either one of us could be right, wrong, or somewhere in between.

[Swndlr]

should have reworded more. people who use it globally for their internet usage I can understand but I try and keep it off when watching things from content creator's work.

[Tayze13]

Not that easy on YouTube.

fair point, but then again all you have to do is go to the page, hit disable on this page, and refresh the video. it's like 3 extra button clicks for each LMG video, but..... i mean really?

[skywake]

It's never that black and white. I have adblock installed because some ads are BS, more often than not on sites you'll just stumble across. I do however whitelist domains from content producers I like assuming their ads aren't also a load of BS. So I don't have ads blocked on the forums and I do have them blocked on youtube but I consume a fair amount of youtube content away from my PC anyways. It ain't perfect I know but that's as far as I'm willing to go given how average youtube is for this.

 

It's a bit like the whole piracy "debate" that rages on. It's easy to run around and say that all piracy is a horrible horrible thing and largely that's true however not everyone who pirates is there for a free ride. For example I've "pirated" movies I actually own on Blu-Ray because I want to watch it on something else. Not to mention that ripping movies is a pain and isn't necessarily "legal" anyways. Or very rarely they'll be really nice and give me an iTunes code with the disk but in order to play it on any device I have to strip the DRM anyways.... which is also probably not "legal"...

 

Yes, someone will always want everything for nothing. In the middle though there is the guy who tries to do the right thing but doesn't want to be penalised for it. Why should the non-contributor get the best experience? So I'll keep going the way I go with this. I want to contribute and will do so but I'm not going to do it at the cost of losing control of the way I consume the content.

[Misanthrope]

I am still waiting for an easy option to whitelist single youtube channels (without having to go to their channel itself and watch the videos there).

I have it so YouTube.com itself is adblocked but not embedded videos so if I watch directly from the forums here adds play

[Vishera230]

I think scummy was a nice word, considering what you use the ads for

[Razzaa]

Ive only seen 1 video and it was the HighLANder vid. I skipped the ad b4 it lol. I hear he is Canadian and lives in the same area as me so I will probably donate based on that. Does he have any other source of income besides revenue from ads?

Edit: Not a bad forum from what I have seen. Lot of Linus dick sucking and what not but meh. Also a some what more immature crowd compared to the other big tech forums I belong to. Half the shit on here would get you banned in most other forums lol

[jmaster299]

He's not saying that your wrong for that. Just that there are some good guys out there and that we are taking their income.  You can pick and choose what you block quite easily

First, learn to reply below comments, not above. Second, as I already addressed in my post, it is not possible to pick and choose what to block because crap still gets through. Abusive ads still show up on trusted sites, so until those sites can 100% guarantee that abusive ads will never be displayed on their site, I will continue to block all ads. I'll visit and use products from sponsors that Linus mentions to support the site that way, but neither Linus or anyone else gets to tell me that their ad revenue is more important than me being forced to put up with abusive ads.

[AaronC31]

I may as well add my 2 cents considering everyone else seems to have... 

 

I quit watching this channel a long while ago 'cause he completely alienated his original viewers for his new "mainstream" approach to his videos now.  I watched Linus' for his unboxings and his quirky-ness... like him using a camera strapped to his chest to unbox the Logitech G700 mouse, for instance.  Now, he's no different than any other tech YouTube channel doing "reviews."  I refuse to watch his videos that now have a 30 second YouTube ad at the beginning, a pop up ad at the bottom of the video during the video and the 2 ad's he personally puts into the videos.  The first he puts in directly after the YouTube ad and then 2nd he segway's into at the end that takes up another 30 seconds to 1 minute of the video.  I'll just go watch TinyTomLogan @OC3D do a proper in-depth review or read Guru3d for one as well.  Plus I'll get a lot more information from them than what I'll get from any of Linus' little 5 minute videos he ever does anymore.  Direct hate at me all you want, but anyone that's been around since the days of him posting a damn shaver video knows it's true.

 

TinyTomLogan has never called his viewer scummy for using AdBlock.  Hell, I'd guarantee that Linus, Slick, Diesel, B-Roll, etc all use AdBlock... they just don't like it when it effects their bottom line.  Well, you know what...?  If you were so interested in money, maybe you SHOULDN'T HAVE QUIT YOUR REAL JOB AT NCIX.  I know, the hell am I thinking about using logic like that... 

[LOLPhilips]

I dont use adblock and never have. Accept for the videos on youtube. I never really notice ads. Anyone saying ads taking over is probably on shady sites anyway. Adblockers are scrummy.

[The Crazed Child]

Yeah dude, the internet is 50% porn, 25% tubes, and 25% trolls, so no biggie.

 

I would honestly challenge god himself to find a single human who owns a computer, that hasn't looked at porn at one time or another. (or wanked it to something on google images)

We really did get off-topic there.

 

The point I'm trying to make is that if I keep getting these innapropriate ads that have nothing to do with tech, I'm naturally going to use adblocker. No-one is going to click on those ads anyway, so what's the point? If it was an ad from a tech company, sure, I'd be interested in it. Google's plan to try and target ads at specific people is a huge failure.

[Misanthrope]

I dont use adblock and never have. Accept for the videos on youtube. I never really notice ads. Anyone saying ads taking over is probably on shady sites anyway. Adblockers are scrummy.

Again not true at all: some legitimate sites like destructoid have become literally unusable without adblock. Their content has gone down the drain specially with Dale canning key people like Sterling but even before that I tried to view it without adblock and it was disorienting and just stupid

[Box_Of_Rocks]

Adblock is double standards ... You love viewing the content but wont support it ...

 

As a comsuer its our way to pay for the content ...

 

I think scummy is a fine word

[Hata no Kokoro]

C'mon guys, we're PC master race users. It's fairly simple to solve this problem, do the same with YouTube.

[popman]

I disabled the adblocker on the forum and your site a while back, and kind of forgot about it until I tried to disable it again.

You're doing a decent job on keeping ads subtle, on here anyway.

 

You probably count for the standard "non-intrusive" whitelist ABP keeps.

https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads-agreements

[Tayze13]

First, learn to reply below comments, not above. Second, as I already addressed in my post, it is not possible to pick and choose what to block because crap still gets through. Abusive ads still show up on trusted sites, so until those sites can 100% guarantee that abusive ads will never be displayed on their site, I will continue to block all ads. I'll visit and use products from sponsors that Linus mentions to support the site that way, but neither Linus or anyone else gets to tell me that their ad revenue is more important than me being forced to put up with abusive ads.

Go to the page, click adblock and hit disable on page. then u refresh and ur supporting linus without paying or giving up adblocker. to each his own, I understand if you dont wanna make 3 extra clicks per video but w.e.

writing on here seems like pissing in the wind for me.

sorry if im wrong again obviously not the most technical person. Im just trying to learn as well as help.

 

I understand; im not giving up ABP either. I just don't have any money or w/e so i'm saying the free support to those i like isn't as big of a hassle as it's made out to be..... strictly talking about youtube ads, the rest of the internet can suck my ABP (mostly)

Edited July 20, 2014 by Tayze13