Nvidia: Unlaunching the 12gb 4080

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, Spotty said:

The question now is Nvidia going to release it as the RTX 4070 or is it going to be something else. Even though it hasn't been officially announced there's no doubt that Nvidia would have finalised plans for the 4070 card months ago. RTX 4070 Super? RTX 4070 Ti?

For me based on specs and indicative performance the most suitable would be RTX 4070 Ti

[05032-Mendicant-Bias]

This news came two day after the 4090 went on sale.

 

I wonder if pereliminary sales numbers for the 4090 made Nvidia realize that there aren't anymore VCs founded ethereum mining operations queuing outside AIB factories to buy pallets of GPUs at whatever price Nvidia demands.

 

Nvidia needs to go back to the drawing board to select new price points and names for the cards. The gap between the 4090 and the 4080 is gargantuan this time around.

[Dracarris]

11 minutes ago, ZetZet said:

If Nvidia ships the 4080 12GB and it's available for 850 euros I buy it day one (works out to 700usd without vat). It's still faster than 3080 and i'll pay the extra just to try the features and to have warranty compared to used market. 

I payed this much for a 3080, in March, brand new, with warranty. 850 Euros is still a bad value proposition.

[ZetZet]

Just now, Dracarris said:

I payed this much for a 3080, in March, brand new, with warranty. 850 Euros is still a bad value proposition.

That's how much a 3080 still costs... The value calculation has shifted by a lot. 

[Sauron]

2 hours ago, Spotty said:

The question now is Nvidia going to release it as the RTX 4070 or is it going to be something else. Even though it hasn't been officially announced there's no doubt that Nvidia would have finalised plans for the 4070 card months ago. RTX 4070 Super? RTX 4070 Ti?

I'm guessing they have the 4070 already planned so this will likely be the TI, with whatever the 4070ti was originally going to be being demoted to a "super" card. We'll see though

 

2 hours ago, Spotty said:

RTX 4075

Oh dear

[Qub3d]

10 minutes ago, leadeater said:

For me based on specs and indicative performance the most suitable would be RTX 4070 Ti

I'm sure the AIB partners, who've almost certainly been building marketing, box art, silkscreens of "4080" etc on all the cards are just SO. ECSTATIC. to get to re-brand them all.

EVGA really coming out of this looking smart...

[leadeater]

3 minutes ago, Qub3d said:

I'm sure the AIB partners, who've almost certainly been building marketing, box art, silkscreens of "4080" etc on all the cards are just SO. ECSTATIC. to get to re-brand them all.

EVGA really coming out of this looking smart...

Even easier, make the RTX 4080 12GB China/Asia only SKU and just do a one off sale there of all inventory. Nvidia has done such a thing before lol

[ZetZet]

2 minutes ago, Qub3d said:

I'm sure the AIB partners, who've almost certainly been building marketing, box art, silkscreens of "4080" etc on all the cards are just SO. ECSTATIC. to get to re-brand them all.

EVGA really coming out of this looking smart...

Don't forget there will be no compensation and the MSRP will probably get lowered too.  

[Spotty]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Even easier, make the RTX 4080 12GB China/Asia only SKU and just do a one off sale there of all inventory. Nvidia has done such a thing before lol

Or make it OEM only. Dell and HP would not hesitate to slap "RTX 4080" on the spec sheet and use the cheaper 4080 12GB cards.

[yolosnail]

Realistically, Nvidia can't drop the price of what was the 4080 12GB without looking bad can they?

 

If they can knock $200 off the 12GB, then why can't they do the same for the 4080 16GB, or the 4090?

 

If they knock $200 off, then that's basically admitting they were overcharging, and I really can't see Nvidia doing that.

 

All they've said is they got the name wrong, not the price. I fully expect to see it, whatever they name it, at the same price

[Blademaster91]

Nvidia probably realized they screwed up, either they thought they might get sued for having 2 80 tier cards with completely different specs, or AMD might have a competitive RDNA3 card.

Although the product stack makes no sense now, with the 4080 16GB at $1200, there isn't any room for a 4070 at $800-900. And the AIB's are getting screwed so hard if there were already 4080 12GB cards.

[Blademaster91]

1 hour ago, Forbidden Wafer said:

Lawsuits for sure.

Yeah sounds like Nvidia wanted to prevent another situation of misleading specs on the box, they probably don't want another class action like the GTX 970 lawsuit.

[ewitte]

The actual planned 4070 probably used the same die.  I'm guessing they are just going to save them for that launch.  Hopefully at a decent price.

[ewitte]

1 hour ago, 05032-Mendicant-Bias said:

This news came two day after the 4090 went on sale.

 

I wonder if pereliminary sales numbers for the 4090 made Nvidia realize that there aren't anymore VCs founded ethereum mining operations queuing outside AIB factories to buy pallets of GPUs at whatever price Nvidia demands.

 

Nvidia needs to go back to the drawing board to select new price points and names for the cards. The gap between the 4090 and the 4080 is gargantuan this time around.

The 4090 for this tier of graphics card has sold quite well.  It is really the only good card of the bunch.  If they can get the 16GB card down under $900 it would be an ok card as well.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

7 minutes ago, ewitte said:

The 4090 for this tier of graphics card has sold quite well.  It is really the only good card of the bunch.  If they can get the 16GB card down under $900 it would be an ok card as well.

Off topic but how is that 1000w G6 handling the 4090? I am not in the market for one (I really want an all red amd machine with a 7800xt if it's not insanely priced) and I am guessing it will have a similarly high TDP. 

[ZetZet]

4 minutes ago, CHICKSLAYA said:

Off topic but how is that 1000w G6 handling the 4090? I am not in the market for one (I really want an all red amd machine with a 7800xt if it's not insanely priced) and I am guessing it will have a similarly high TDP. 

How would it not handle it? 5900X + the rest of the system probably uses 250W max and the 4090 maxes out at 450W. That's if you somehow manage to load up both the CPU and GPU at the same time, which never happens.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

1 minute ago, ZetZet said:

How would it not handle it? 5900X + the rest of the system probably uses 250W max and the 4090 maxes out at 450W. That's if you somehow manage to load up both the CPU and GPU at the same time, which never happens.

I was just asking because I have the same PSU

[ZetZet]

2 minutes ago, CHICKSLAYA said:

I was just asking because I have the same PSU

How could you tell if it's not handling it? Not to mention any reasonable power supply will hold 120-130% load for a loooong time before shutting down so even if it magically became overloaded you wouldn't be able to tell. 

[toddleronebar]

3 hours ago, CHICKSLAYA said:

Did they, though? EVGA sells what now? Super high end Intel Mobos and rebranded power supplies? It's like when Tony Stark's company Stark Industries stops selling weapons in the first Iron Man movie.

They make AMD motherboards now too

[Shimejii]

I dont think the AIBs got screwed over as much as everyone thinks with the coolers and such, if they didnt label them 4080 12gb and just 4080, they can just slap the coolers on the cheaper model 4080 16s and call it a day. The ones they did buy yeah they got screwed on which sucks, but they are use to that by now.

 

Nvidia still cant be trusted when it comes to this stuff, so i expect either a dump of GPUS in china or a completely diff product in a year when its out of the minds of people

[StDragon]

Not "unlaunched". More like scuttled.

[xg32]

damn i was looking forward to see the sales of the dumbest gpu ever, rip.

[StDragon]

4 hours ago, Spotty said:

It'll be interesting to see what will happen with all the 3rd party AIB partner cards that might already exist. The 4080 launch was set for November so AIB partners would surely have 4080 12GB cards made ahead of launch... Seems EVGA got out at a good time.

So, the box art, plastics on the card, and VBIOS will all report a 4080. But the relaunch will have a 40xx sticker slapped on the box at sale??

 

I hope the affix it at an angle with a font that similar to a rejection notice

[Brooksie359]

2 hours ago, CHICKSLAYA said:

I just don't know how they position the stack now. No one is going to buy a 4070 at $899, or even $799. The most expensive they could get away with would be like $649. Then they look like they were just trying to scam us 

And they are going to buy the 4080 16gb at 1200? I am not sure why you would assume that they wouldn't sell the 4070 for 900 when they are selling the 4080 for 1200. 

[ewitte]

1 hour ago, CHICKSLAYA said:

Off topic but how is that 1000w G6 handling the 4090? I am not in the market for one (I really want an all red amd machine with a 7800xt if it's not insanely priced) and I am guessing it will have a similarly high TDP. 

I haven't even pushed it much over about 700W.  I'm running an 85% power target so it tops off about 635W for the entire system.