LTT Official Folding Month V (2022)

[dogwitch]

25 minutes ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

Every hurricane every year seems historic

yeah. but i am testing lines and parts atm.

a back up nas is dead,pro lvl toaster ,a test rig mobo,.

that all i tested atm.

 

[Gorgon]

Mmm. Hardware ...

Two days from California to Eastern Ontario. Nice job UPS.

 

Now all I need are the two CyberPower 1500VA/1000W UPSes to arrive to replace the 2 failed 1500W APC Back UPS Pros. Both the APC units, like another earlier this year, had the Inverter fail. No more APC UPSes for me.

[BiotechBen]

8 hours ago, Kilrah said:

When you just want to do a quick performance test and get a 20 hour WU... 

My GPU WU always start at ~24 hrs and then go down to 13 or fewer.

[Alex Atkin UK]

1 hour ago, Gorgon said:

Now all I need are the two CyberPower 1500VA/1000W UPSes to arrive to replace the 2 failed 1500W APC Back UPS Pros. Both the APC units, like another earlier this year, had the Inverter fail. No more APC UPSes for me.

I have two CyberPower UPS units of lower power than this though, one of them went mental when the power failed and it was asked to delivery full current, it just immediately turned off.  After this if its load is above about 50% it complains of low battery voltage, yet with a lower load it does not, so I have no idea what's going on with it as how would the load when on grid power alter its battery monitoring?

 

The slightly larger unit the power LED failed and the USB charging ports.

 

So honestly I'm not sure about CyberPower either.

[Gorgon]

19 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

I have two CyberPower UPS units of lower power than this though, one of them went mental when the power failed and it was asked to delivery full current, it just immediately turned off.  After this if its load is above about 50% it complains of low battery voltage, yet with a lower load it does not, so I have no idea what's going on with it as how would the load when on grid power alter its battery monitoring?

 

The slightly larger unit the power LED failed and the USB charging ports.

 

So honestly I'm not sure about CyberPower either.

AFAIK CyberPower at the Low End is the lesser of two evils. As of now all the APC units I bought have failed with the exact same mode after 2 battery replacements (~6 years) while the Cyber Power units just got their second set of batteries this year so time will tell but they do seem to run cooler.

 

I prefer PowerWare (Eaton) Series 9 Dual-Conversion to cheapo line-interactive ones but can't justify the cost for home use.

 

I have managed to get 3 x 750VA/450W and 1 1000W/800VA PowerWare units work was disposing of. I put new capacitors on the Inverter boards ($10), replaced the stock 80mm fans with Noctuas (~$15) and added a new set of batteries ($50-$75) for less than the cost of a Line-Interactive model. As a bonus 3 of the units came with older SNMP Network Management cards ($250-$300) so I can get some instrumentation as well.

 

One of the 750VA units is one I bought brand new in 1998 and was taken out of service due to the Bad Caps in 2015 and it's still in service. At work we're not allowed to service these units ourselves and Eaton wanted too much money to fix them so they get trashed as the net present value is under $1,000.

[Alex Atkin UK]

1 hour ago, Gorgon said:

AFAIK CyberPower at the Low End is the lesser of two evils. As of now all the APC units I bought have failed with the exact same mode after 2 battery replacements (~6 years) while the Cyber Power units just got their second set of batteries this year so time will tell but they do seem to run cooler.

 

I prefer PowerWare (Eaton) Series 9 Dual-Conversion to cheapo line-interactive ones but can't justify the cost for home use.

 

I have managed to get 3 x 750VA/450W and 1 1000W/800VA PowerWare units work was disposing of. I put new capacitors on the Inverter boards ($10), replaced the stock 80mm fans with Noctuas (~$15) and added a new set of batteries ($50-$75) for less than the cost of a Line-Interactive model. As a bonus 3 of the units came with older SNMP Network Management cards ($250-$300) so I can get some instrumentation as well.

 

One of the 750VA units is one I bought brand new in 1998 and was taken out of service due to the Bad Caps in 2015 and it's still in service. At work we're not allowed to service these units ourselves and Eaton wanted too much money to fix them so they get trashed as the net present value is under $1,000.

Honestly I would have gotten something higher powered but I just don't have the physical space, never mind having to replace more batteries.

 

I do like the CyberPower being more modern though, on my gaming PC I don't even have to install any software as Windows just presents it like a laptop battery.  The other is plugged into my server so I just monitor the stats with:

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upsc myups@localhost | grep -E \"battery.charge|battery.runtime|input|output|load|ups.realpower.nominal|ups.status

 

[BondiBlue]

@GOTSpectrum Bummer, my shout-out wasn't shown on the stream. Maybe that means it was curated for them to talk about later on? Either way I've got two of the cards to donate, so I'll send you a message to sort that part out. 

 

[Gorgon]

16 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

... I do like the CyberPower being more modern though, on my gaming PC I don't even have to install any software as Windows just presents it like a laptop battery. ...

You can do the same with APC Back UPSes. No need to install PowerChute anymore. In fact if you just use the HID_UPS Driver then the "Pause on Battery: functionality in F@H and BOINC works so when the system transfers to Battery Folding and/or BOINC Suspends which will greatly improve runtime. With PowerChute, or whatever Cyber Power uses (IDK as I only use them on Linux), loaded this won't work.

[LAR_Systems]

On 10/6/2022 at 12:48 AM, BiotechBen said:

Yeah, LAR is the one telling me that I'm above average. 

Think it would do any better if it was switched to compute in driver settings?

You are above average on the current work unit, wait until you start computing some Cancer WUs

[BiotechBen]

4 minutes ago, LAR_Systems said:

You are above average on the current work unit, wait until you start computing some Cancer WUs

Currently doing cancer and it's at ~12% above. Highest I saw was on an easy Cancer WU this morning: saw a peak of something like 43%, spent most of the time around 35%. XFX did a good job with binning on that card, it'll clock to 1350 for days as long as it stays under 75C. And all this is on a reference blower cooler.

[Alex Atkin UK]

8 hours ago, LAR_Systems said:

You are above average on the current work unit, wait until you start computing some Cancer WUs

My lord you weren't kidding about some Cancer WUs.  I got a CPU WU for 16982 and it took about five and a half hours to get to 50% with its ETA at the same again at 53% on 8 cores of a 12700F.

[justpoet]

5 hours ago, Gorgon said:

Now all I need are the two CyberPower 1500VA/1000W UPSes to arrive to replace the 2 failed 1500W APC Back UPS Pros. Both the APC units, like another earlier this year, had the Inverter fail. No more APC UPSes for me.

Vertiv Liebert (an Emerson company) PSI5 Lithium has so far been amazing to me.

[BiotechBen]

3 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

My lord you weren't kidding and some Cancer WUs.  I got a CPU WU for 16982 and its ETA is 6 hours at 53% on 8 cores of a 12700F.

 

Most CPU WUs I don't even notice either, this one is making Firefox stutter.

I set my CPU WU to 8 of the 12 threads I have, didn't notice much more scalability past 8, got some diminishing returns from having to run lower frequency with more threads. 

Also just set up my old laptop server and it's estimating about another 75k-ish PPD with about even CPU and GPU folding. I think the laptop has a slightly more efficient PPW (Points per Watt) than the desktop. 78k @ 12-15w vs 600,000 @ ~175-185w.

 

 

edit:

PPD on laptop server has increased to ~250k based on current WU completion time

edit2: performance has tanked, think boost clock time has run out.

[RollinLower]

18 minutes ago, Schnoz said:

The Heatkiller IV waterblock I got for my Titan Xp is insane. Before the waterblock, it'd do around 2.7-3M PPD due to its absolutely terrible stock cooler. Now, with that waterblock installed and with it connected to a 240x60mm radiator, it hits 50 C at 120% of its TDP while also going up to 3.5M PPD, handily outdoing my Tesla P100. Wild.

dear lord did WU's get better scaling. back when i was running a regular Titan XP (thanks for the naming there Nvidia) i was getting half of what you're producing now! eventhough i was also running it under water.

[Heats with Nvidia]

Since i still don`t have any other way to keep my garage warm enough, its folding time! Although this time, it will be a little more expensive. My RTX2080 room heater is ready.

[RollinLower]

2 hours ago, Heats with Nvidia said:

Since i still don`t have any other way to keep my garage warm enough, its folding time! Although this time, it will be a little more expensive. My RTX2080 room heater is ready.

same here, but for me it's the living room. just a couple months left in 2022 and i have not turned on the heating in my house once this year!

[BiotechBen]

2 hours ago, RollinLower said:

same here, but for me it's the living room. just a couple months left in 2022 and i have not turned on the heating in my house once this year!

I have to find a better way to circulate heat, right now it's all staying in the main area and not making it much down the hallway. The main area is now a balmy 24-25C, and a window was opened because it was a beautiful day so it's back down to a much more comfy 19-20C.

[BiotechBen]

12 hours ago, BiotechBen said:

I set my CPU WU to 8 of the 12 threads I have, didn't notice much more scalability past 8, got some diminishing returns from having to run lower frequency with more threads. 

Also just set up my old laptop server and it's estimating about another 75k-ish PPD with about even CPU and GPU folding. I think the laptop has a slightly more efficient PPW (Points per Watt) than the desktop. 78k @ 12-15w vs 600,000 @ ~175-185w.

 

 

edit:

PPD on laptop server has increased to ~250k based on current WU completion time

edit2: performance has tanked, think boost clock time has run out.

Consensus: thin and light is not a good folder. Even at basically direct die cooling (no bottom, large fan blowing directly on heat pipe) and temps at 45C, it is still boost restricted. May also be lower virus mitigation because it'll go full 15W for a few hours, and then hard cap at base frequency no matter what the temp of load.

 

Edit:

after disabling GPU folding on the anemic Vega 10 iGPU, it appears to be lightly boosting again. This def looks like power virus mitigation.

[Gorgon]

37 minutes ago, BiotechBen said:

I have to find a better way to circulate heat, right now it's all staying in the main area and not making it much down the hallway. The main area is now a balmy 24-25C, and a window was opened because it was a beautiful day so it's back down to a much more comfy 19-20C.

I use a 24" Box fan suspended from the basement ceiling rafters to blow out of the unfinished portion where my rigs live. It's 27C in the basement with the basement window closed and 22C on the main floor.

 

I also have the furnace blower on to help circulate air. Pumps cooler air into the unfinished portion of the basement and draws the heat upstairs.

[BiotechBen]

1 minute ago, Gorgon said:

I use a 24" Box fan suspended from the basement ceiling rafters to blow out of the unfinished portion where my rigs live. It's 27C in the basement with the basement window closed and 22C on the main floor.

 

I also have the furnace blower on to help circulate air. Pumps cooler air into the unfinished portion of the basement and draws the heat upstairs.

I e got electric baseboards and in wall ac units in my apt so sadly I can't take advantage of just having *HVAC fan go brr* to move the air around

And right now the one good fan I have is turbocharging cool air into my system sans side panel since it's a sleeper build (or at least was when it was built, little less sleeper now. More of a 2.0 Ecoboost mustang than 5.0 V8, still will surprise you at it's performance, but it's starting to show its age.

[Alex Atkin UK]

Anyone planning to get an Intel A770 to see how it folds?

[GOTSpectrum]

6 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Anyone planning to get an Intel A770 to see how it folds?

ME!!!!!!!

 

Looking to put it through its paces 

[Alex Atkin UK]

4 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

ME!!!!!!!

 

Looking to put it through its paces 

Gotta admit, the pathetic cooling on the back of the card kinda bothers me. 

 

I'd still be tempted but I don't think Linux supports it until Kernel 6 and I doubt Fedora will roll that out before the event. Really can't be bothered compiling my own, not done that in years, plus who knows if OpenCL will even work.

[GOTSpectrum]

1 minute ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Gotta admit, the pathetic cooling on the back of the card kinda bothers me. 

 

I'd be tempted but I don't think Linux supports it until Kernel 6 and I doubt Fedora will roll that out before the event and really can't be bothered compiling my own, not done that in years.

Feel free to pay for mine  

 

But seriously, I'm not expecting to be amazing, but if no one runs the cards, there's no reason for F@H to work on making the card better. 

[GOTSpectrum]

On 10/3/2022 at 11:54 PM, GOTSpectrum said:

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