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ATTENTION: there is a covid 19 F@H event happening, you can find it HERE.

 

this is a good opportunity to help with research!

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42 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

...  The "expert" they had said that 40 to 50% of the WORLDS population is exepcted to be infected at some time. ...

Technically, models done around two weeks ago by actual researches and their results reviewed, the R0 observed in the numbers from China would - if unchecked - eventually travel through 40% to 60% of the world's population. So it would be easy for someone to redo the model and come out as a face for hire for interviews. We covered this a number of pages back. While researchers found it interesting to play the numbers out so far, they figured it was pointless to calculate so far out until there were good numbers to use. Instead they were focused on identifying transmission, tests, treatments and the usual knowledge required for developing new treatments and vaccines.

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South Korea had another update.

2,022 Confirmed

44,167 tested negative

46,189 tests complete

24,751 tests underway

 

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On 2/28/2020 at 6:21 AM, CalintzJerevinan said:

She infected people from Seoul, South Korea and LAX back and fore and they have no idea how many people got the Corona Virus.

Same for all infected travellers in the over two months before this got sufficient attention.

And same for all asymptomatic travellers.

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New to the infected list since yesterday

Denmark

Estonia

Netherlands

Romania

San Marino

 

The day's contributors...

South Korea 427
Italy 202
Iran 106
Japan 25
Germany 21
Kuwait 17
Switzerland 7
Greece 2
Iraq 2
Canada 2
Spain 2
Hong Kong 2
Austria 1
Israel from DP 1
Australia from DP 1
Malaysia 1
Denmark 1
Estonia 1
Netherlands 1
Romania 1
San Marino 1
  824

 

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Feb 27, external Confirmed

 

South Korea 2022   Afghanistan 1
Diamond Princess 705   Algeria 1
Italy 655   Australia 15
Iran 245   Australia from DP 8
Japan 214   Austria 3
Hong Kong 93   Bahrain 33
Singapore 93   Belgium 1
Germany 48   Brazil 1
Kuwait 43   Cambodia 1
US from DP 42   Canada 13
Thailand 40   Croatia 3
France 38   Denmark 1
Bahrain 33   Diamond Princess 705
Taiwan 32   Egypt 1
Malaysia 23   Estonia 1
US 18   Finland 2
UK 16   France 38
Vietnam 16   Georgia 1
Australia 15   Germany 48
Spain 15   Greece 3
Canada 13   Hong Kong 93
United Arab Emirates 13   India 3
Macau 10   Iran 245
Australia from DP 8   Iraq 7
Switzerland 8   Israel from DP 3
Iraq 7   Italy 655
Sweden 7   Japan 214
Oman 4   Kuwait 43
Austria 3   Lebanon 2
Croatia 3   Macau 10
Greece 3   Malaysia 23
India 3   Nepal 1
Israel from DP 3   Netherlands 1
Philippines 3   North Macedonia 1
Finland 2   Norway 1
Lebanon 2   Oman 4
Pakistan 2   Pakistan 2
Russia 2   Philippines 3
Afghanistan 1   Romania 1
Algeria 1   Russia 2
Belgium 1   San Marino 1
Brazil 1   Singapore 93
Cambodia 1   South Korea 2022
Denmark 1   Spain 15
Egypt 1   Sri Lanka 1
Estonia 1   Sweden 7
Georgia 1   Switzerland 8
Nepal 1   Taiwan 32
Netherlands 1   Thailand 40
North Macedonia 1   UK 16
Norway 1   United Arab Emirates 13
Romania 1   US 18
San Marino 1   US from DP 42
Sri Lanka 1   Vietnam 16
  4518     4518

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oh oh

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“The case is an Italian citizen who works in Nigeria and returned from Milan, Italy to Lagos, Nigeria on the 25th of February 2020.”

 

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“You should ask your children’s schools about their plans for school dismissals or school closures,” Nancy Messonnier, a director at the Centers for Disease Control, said during a press briefing on Tuesday. “Ask about plans for teleschool.”

Messonnier warned at that time that her agency is confident an outbreak will occur in the United States and is now mulling “exactly when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness.” A few hours later, federal officials, including Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, sought to downplay the urgency of the earlier warning from CDC officials.

https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2020/02/25/schools-should-prepare-for-coronavirus-outbreaks-cdc.html?PageSpeed=noscript

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3 hours ago, Cora_Lie said:

Daily Mail

Ok... It's the Daily Mail... Not the most reliable newspaper....

 

 

It hasn't earnt the name the Daily Fail for nothing.  

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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Officials at the Department of Health and Human Services sent more than a dozen workers to receive the first Americans evacuated from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, without proper training for infection control or appropriate protective gear, according to a whistleblower complaint.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/27/us-workers-without-protective-gear-assisted-coronavirus-evacuees-hhs-whistleblower-says/

 

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washington post live update
 

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Coronavirus spreads into third Canadian province

TORONTO — Public health officials in Quebec announced the province’s first case of the novel coronavirus on Thursday, bringing the total number of cases in Canada to 14.

The affected woman had traveled to Montreal from Iran via Doha, Qatar, and is in self-isolation at home, the province’s health minister, Danielle McCann, told reporters.

 

 

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On 2/11/2020 at 11:29 PM, Canoe said:

Covid-19 seems to be winning.

Don't know what effect this will have on covid.com.

AIDS quickly killed the AYDS diet aid product.

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Corona Beer, the third most popular brand of beer in the world according to a YouGov ranking, has taken a hit in recent weeks. Google searches for “corona beer virus” spiked a couple weeks ago, jokes have proliferated online and sales have gone down dramatically. Shares of Constellation Brands dove 8 percent this week.

It’s not the first time that a product shared an unfortunate name with a virus. In 1988, the manufacturer of a diet candy called Ayds sought a new name to distance itself from the AIDS virus, its sales having dipped 50 percent because of the association.

 

 

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Northern Ireland announced its first patient with coronavirus Thursday, saying the patient had traveled from northern Italy via Dublin Airport to Belfast.


 

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A cruise ship turned away from multiple ports over unsubstantiated fears of coronavirus will be allowed to dock in Mexico and its passengers may be allowed to disembark, officials said Thursday.

The MSC Meraviglia has berthed at the Mexican island of Cozumel and is waiting for health officials to board and conduct customary checks, MSC Cruises said in a statement Thursday morning.

On Wednesday, the company expressed dismay that authorities in Jamaica and the Cayman Islands had turned the cruise liner away, saying the ship’s medical records showed only a “single case of common seasonal flu” and that it struck a crew member whose travel history did not include territories hit by coronavirus or subjected to “international health restrictions.”

 

 

 

Washington Post live update

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1 hour ago, Donut417 said:

The scarry part is the fact that many states dont have the ability to detect the Virus yet. We are so unprepared for this.

I watched this video and it shows how unprepared our airlines were.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Canoe said:

washington post live update
 

 

RIP me.

 

Was nice knowin' y'all. 

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On 2/28/2020 at 2:18 AM, Deli said:

If proven the virus can be transmitted from human to dog, and from dog to other human and dogs. Oh, I don't know how this epidemic can be contained.

We'd have to stop all of the door-to-door dog salesmen?

IF it turns out to be valid, it would just be another transfer path to address. It's not like there's 500 million dogs going around the streets of the U.S. unrestrained, biting/licking person after person as fast as they can. (Dogs in Thailand, Chilie and a few other places may be somewhat of an issue)

 

Curious that this report comes out in news after Moscow gets criticized for a stray rat, cat & dog roundup/elimination program they say is to contain coronavirus.

 

There was a study that was looking at SARS-CoV-2 receptors against future outbreaks being initiated by further zoonotic transmission, and said that among other things, they didn't match that of dogs (and cats?). Will certainly be interesting to hear what this is about.

 

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But wait, there's more!

 

One each for:

Belarus

Lithuania

New Zealand

(Nigeria earlier)

Northern Ireland

 

Iran bumped up to 270

Reports that one of their infected ministers sat in a meeting with their president

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45 minutes ago, Canoe said:

We'd have to stop all of the door-to-door dog salesmen?

IF it turns out to be valid, it would just be another transfer path to address. It's not like there's 500 million dogs going around the streets of the U.S. unrestrained, biting/licking person after person as fast as they can. (Dogs in Thailand, Chilie and a few other places may be somewhat of an issue)

 

Curious that this report comes out in news after Moscow gets criticized for a stray rat, cat & dog roundup/elimination program they say is to contain coronavirus.

 

There was a study that was looking at SARS-CoV-2 receptors against future outbreaks being initiated by further zoonotic transmission, and said that among other things, they didn't match that of dogs (and cats?). Will certainly be interesting to hear what this is about.

My god, that painting of the dogs playing poker is all I can think of.   We're all doomed.

 

28 minutes ago, Canoe said:

 

Iran bumped up to 270

Reports that one of their infected ministers sat in a meeting with their president

we can only hope.   ?

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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1 hour ago, Canoe said:

We'd have to stop all of the door-to-door dog salesmen?

IF it turns out to be valid, it would just be another transfer path to address. It's not like there's 500 million dogs going around the streets of the U.S. unrestrained, biting/licking person after person as fast as they can. (Dogs in Thailand, Chilie and a few other places may be somewhat of an issue)

 

Curious that this report comes out in news after Moscow gets criticized for a stray rat, cat & dog roundup/elimination program they say is to contain coronavirus.

 

There was a study that was looking at SARS-CoV-2 receptors against future outbreaks being initiated by further zoonotic transmission, and said that among other things, they didn't match that of dogs (and cats?). Will certainly be interesting to hear what this is about.

In places with large outbreaks. Just to lock down towns and cities is already troublesome for the governments. How do you restrict movement of stray dogs and cats? Moreover, if the owners tested positive and required isolation. Do we quarantine the pets as well? For a small scale outbreak like in Hong Kong, it can be done. If you have a large outbreak like in S. Korea. I doubt you will want to spend the resources to test and quarantine all the suspected cases of pet. In less developed countries, it will be even harder to deal with. If further studies confirm human to dog, back to human, transmission is another possible path. I have no idea how we handle this crisis.

 

I certainly hope this is a false alarm.

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4 hours ago, mr moose said:

 

It hasn't earnt the name the Daily Fail for nothing.  

Well... That's why I put other links of some "more serious" newspapers, like NYT...

I always take whatever's written in the Daily Mail with a bucket of salt, if I take it at all...

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South Korea's latest report

2,337 Confirmed

48,593 tested negative

50,930 tested

30,237 testing

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Cora_Lie said:

Well... That's why I out other links of some "more serious" newspape, like NYT...

I always take whatever's written in the Daily Mail with a bucket of salt, if I take it at all...

Unfortunately most media these days is the same.   Every media article I have ever read on a subject I am educated in has left me shaking my head,  The only thing I can say for the better outlets is that at least they don't cut up the quotes and leave them contextually intact. 

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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6 hours ago, Donut417 said:

The scarry part is the fact that many states dont have the ability to detect the Virus yet. We are so unprepared for this.

That is sooo right... even more so in the US... Just look at the Videos or the articles about that concerning the US

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/coronavirus-us-whistleblower.html

 

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Did they learn nothing from Spanish Flu? We need to be on top of this, while the US may have a lower death rate, what about other cournties?

Obviously not, but you know... All you need is one not very bright "leader" of a big country to drastically cut in annual budget funds for Public Health several years in a row, fire specialists and professionals in rapid response plans in case of outbreaks, remove a seat created in the National Security Team "just because", not listen to professional advices because it doesn't fit his narrative and... say publicly that it's not as terrible as the Terrible Flu (with the 0.1% mortality rate), after all Coronavirus only has a 2-3% rate and all you need is to wash your hands regularly until spring.

But hey! It's not as if all that already happened, right? Oh! Wait... ?‍♀️

/s

 

And why would the US have a "lower death rate"? It's not has if people in the US didn't have to pay a lot for all the health tests, and as if not every and each citizen had access to medicare.

Didn't you read the case of the man we talked earlier in this thread who had to pay a lot ($+3,000) from his pocket for a simple flu testing as his insurance company demanded for proof of "no preexistent condition", because he didn't want to immediately be tested and have a CT Scan for CoVid-19 as it would be way too costly for him... a simple flu test, more than $3,000. If THAT doesn't prevent others to get tested...

So... Maybe the US has a not so bad health system but.. it's only for a minority of the population. What about the rest?

 

Your assertion here reminded me of the 5 first minutes of the 1st episode of The Newsroom. ?

 

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The 3rd world? They even stated that a Vaccine might not even happen and if it does it could be up to a year before its ready.

What I read it's that it would take at least a year for it to happen because of the different testing phases... Not that it wouldn't happen.  Many options available.

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A summary, from onset of symptoms, of a fatal outcome course of COVID-19

Worsened and elapsed, after two negative tests.

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When reporting, please give due consideration to the privacy of the deceased and the bereaved.

 

Age: 70s  Gender: male

Cause of death: novel coronavirus pneumonia, acute renal injury

  • February 1 Cold symptoms and vomiting.
  • February 5 Fever.
  • February 6 受 Healthcare institution A was consulted and hospitalized.
  • February 13 Transferred to medical institution B in the prefecture.
    • Intratracheal intubation and ventilator management started.
    • 陽性 Positive in PCR test.
  • February 21 First PCR test negative.
  • February 24: Second negative PCR test.
  • February 26: Respiratory condition worsened.
  • February 28 Death confirmed.

www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/newpage_09841.html

 

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"only" 377 added to external Confermed from yesterday

 

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On the Yolo County Confirmed case that seems to be Community Transmission.

 

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CDC is moving too slow. "Not meeting the criteria..." The US government acts just like Iran. They are many steps behind the emergency.

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15 minutes ago, Deli said:

CDC is moving too slow. "Not meeting the criteria..." The US government acts just like Iran. They are many steps behind the emergency.

IMO, the problem with the CDC lies here:

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-defends-cuts-cdc-budget-federal-government-hire-doctors-coronavirus-2020-2-1028946602

 

I don't want to be "political", but at some point some actions have some harsh consequences. And right now the whole of the US is confronted with one of these consequences.

There is an entity, the CDC, which has been emptied for several years now from its ressources (specialists, money, infrastructure etc.) and for such an entity to develop response plans, to train professionals, to simply function as it should, it needs money. Just as simple as that.

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2 hours ago, Cora_Lie said:

And why would the US have a "lower death rate"?

Because even though are Healtcare system is shit its still better than much of the world. Which is sad. Like I said, it come from CBS news, video is somewheres on youtube. It also sounds like if you have a decently strong immune system you should be fine. 

I just want to sit back and watch the world burn. 

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This is really telling how ready we are, as a species

 

For War: ANYTIME!!

 

For Pandemic: NOT AT ALL!!


~Engineer.AI

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12 minutes ago, Cora_Lie said:

IMO, the problem with the CDC lies here:

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-defends-cuts-cdc-budget-federal-government-hire-doctors-coronavirus-2020-2-1028946602

 

I don't want to be "political", but at some point some actions have some harsh consequences. And right now the whole of the US is confronted with one of these consequences.

There is an entity, the CDC, which has been emptied for several years now from its ressources (specialists, money, infrastructure etc.) and for such an entity to develop response plans, to train professionals, to simply function as it should, it needs money. Just as simple as that.

Yeah I know. I don't want to get political here as well. The US should be leading the fight of this global epidemic. Instead..

 

California has 33 confirmed cases. With ~8300 people under observation. Many of those 8300 people should be tested. I'm speechless.

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13 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Like I said, it come from CBS news, video is somewheres on youtube. It also sounds like if you have a decently strong immune system you should be fine. 

Way too many videos on CBS news. If you could find it I would be grateful ?

 

On my side here is a PDF from the Lancet (october 2018) analyzing the Health Systems of 195 countries between 1990 and 2016. The US droped from rank 6 to rank 27 in 26 years (fig. 2 p. 1223)...PIIS014067361831941X.pdf

 

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7 minutes ago, Engineer.AI said:

This is really telling how ready we are, as a species

 

For War: ANYTIME!!

 

For Pandemic: NOT AT ALL!!


~Engineer.AI

When they want to start a war. No one will ask how to fund it. No one will ask about budget deficit.

When it comes to healthcare. No, can't do it, because we have no money.

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7 minutes ago, Cora_Lie said:

Way too many videos on CBS news. If you could find it I would be grateful ?

 

On my side here is a PDF from the Lancet (october 2018) analyzing the Health Systems of 195 countries between 1990 and 2016. The US droped from rank 6 to rank 27 in 26 years (fig. 2 p. 1223)... PIIS014067361831941X.pdf 2.77 MB · 1 download

 

 

Here it is. What do you think? Is this guy talking out of his ass? 

I just want to sit back and watch the world burn. 

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