Radeon VII neck and neck with RTX 2080 in rumored 3DMark leak

[Tristerin]

6 minutes ago, Velcade said:

I believe the kids today call this "Don't @ me"

Im going to use this in RL and see what happens.

[exetras]

2 minutes ago, Franck said:

I am curious of the word choices. How is very slightly ahead in 1 test and 20% behind in all the older considered neck to neck ? That mean the 2070 is also neck to neck with the 2080

They are close in the synthetic benchmarks, in games it varies a lot more.

 

Again wait until release day for better results.

[Exotath]

Some pretty weird results.

 

Either way.... embargo ends Thursday. Not worth getting all worked up about this.

[Morgan MLGman]

27500 GPU score in FireStrike? My OC'd 1080Ti does over 32000... I'm kind of disappointed (if true)...

[givingtnt]

20 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Hey all, I don't have time to sit here and SPECULATE your SPECULATION and defend SPECULATIONS.

AMD isn't AHEAD.  And guise guise...rarely if ever have they or can they keep ahead.  So please, don't worry about the minutia detail - its about 95% true so if you want to delve in to the 5% of the time they have eeked ahead...okay we can open another thread.

AMD is always so far behind its the running joke so yeah.  Coming from a Team Red here so relax.

They are neck and neck - who cares if its late in the game....if you don't have an RTX 2080 you have competition in the market now.  Your point?

You are welcome for my generic statements.

So if you want to quote me, to argue your opinion vs mine, send me a message to my profile where we can joust 1 v 1.

hiding won't do any good.
We're having a conversation here. not a jousting match...

Bringing something late to the market doesn't do anyone any good other than flood said market.

[Franck]

3 minutes ago, Settlerteo said:

It is cutting edge i agree with that

Cutting edge mean it's recent and new shiny technology. First time i played with RT was in the end of 90's early 2000's around 20 years ago. Very very cutting edge indeed 

[Settlerteo]

Just now, Franck said:

Cutting edge mean it's recent and new shiny technology. First time i played with RT was in the end of 90's early 2000's around 20 years ago. Very very cutting edge indeed 

Hahaha truth be told!!!

[Velcade]

6 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Im going to use this in RL and see what happens.

Please do.   

[Settlerteo]

2 minutes ago, Franck said:

Cutting edge mean it's recent and new shiny technology. First time i played with RT was in the end of 90's early 2000's around 20 years ago. Very very cutting edge indeed 

First implementation of ray tracing 1982...

[Drak3]

2 minutes ago, Franck said:

Very very cutting edge indeed 

Real time with a specialized core is cutting edge.

[CarlBar]

15 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Ray Tracing is part of one of the higher levels of DX12. There are rumors that next gen consoles might include it. It's already off to a much better start, especially since ray tracing is in its infancy, not really ready for a general consumer push.

 

Seriously people need to go take a look at DX12 uptake. In the first 3 months after DX12 release there was exactly one title with DX12 support, and that was a microsoft title developed with in house knowledge. The first out of house game didn't arrive till 3 months after DX12 dropped. he next 4 took another 4 months, or 7 months after launch, to arrive.

 

Get back to me at the end of june and then we can talk weather uptake is good or not on RTX.

[Tristerin]

10 minutes ago, givingtnt said:

hiding won't do any good.
We're having a conversation here. not a jousting match...

Bringing something late to the market doesn't do anyone any good other than flood said market.

Hiding?  Arguing speculation wont do any good.

Conversations are open ended, this is jousting atm.

 

Bringing something to market, and flooding it...does 1 thing.  Brings prices down...so yeah. 

[Tristerin]

8 minutes ago, Velcade said:

Please do.   

The person that understands...will become a friend for sure. lol

[Madgemade]

First benchmarks are out: https://www.hd-tecnologia.com/exclusiva-asi-rinde-la-radeon-vii-vs-la-rtx-2080-en-1440p-y-4k/

 

They say:

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Tomorrow the AMD Radeon VII will be released, but we did not want to wait to talk about its performance and we will show you how the Radeon VII vs. the RTX 2080 in 1440p and 4K.

So much for that NDA then lol.

[exetras]

Here are a couple of the Charts:

 

endimiento en 4K y 1440p:

En 4K tienen un rendimiento muy parecido. En algunos juegos es mejor AMD, en otros Nvidia, pero al final del día en promedio la Radeon VII rinde 1% menos según la propia AMD.

[The Benjamins]

1 hour ago, givingtnt said:

So.. neck & neck with a card that's barely an improovement on the last gen ?
And no rtx.
 

RTX is Nvidia branding, RT or DXR are possible.

 

The Radeon VII is a stop gap made due to Navi being delayed to end of this year.

[D13H4RD]

So uh, exactly as we had expected? 

[Madgemade]

Well what it does show is that AMD wasn't lying at CES. It really is only a little bit ahead is some titles and a little behind in others.

 

Question is how well does it overclock? Because custom overclocked RTX 2080s will be ahead if that's a stock card they used.

 

Cooler confirmed as decent at least:

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Regarding the temperatures, the GPU reaches 74 degrees in games thanks to its huge triple-fan cooling.

 

[schwellmo92]

1 hour ago, Tristerin said:

 

 

And if you look at performance in frames only...and they provide the SAME frames...the RTX is the better buy.  It comes with more options.  Just like buying a car, brand preference then options/performance come into play.

 

 

That’s if you completely disregard the 16GB vs 8GB VRAM.

[Ithanul]

Hmmm, that not bad.  Good to see them put out a card that can trade blows with a GTX2080 depending upon game.

Hopefully this is a bit of indicator that Navi winds up being a nice line of GPUs.  Late 2019 and into 2020 look like both going to be nice years at this rate (I'm holding out till then, though new monitor giving me the upgrade itch for a new GPU).

[Tech Enthusiast]

1 hour ago, Tristerin said:

At a much smaller price tag

 

From a company that has never been ahead

 

And is now neck and neck

 

This is only good for us consumers!

Uhm,... are you sure you are in the correct topic?

Checking the FFXV Benchmark here it looks like a 1070 ti competitor, maybe a 1080 / 2070,... for the price of a 2080.

That is worth nothing for the consumers. It won't change NVidia pricing,... well it might... they might charge more for their 2070s

[Tristerin]

2 minutes ago, schwellmo92 said:

That’s if you completely disregard the 16GB vs 8GB VRAM.

Recently the new RTXs were all tested comparing the 6gb variant to the 8gb variants.  Only 1 game on the market took over 6gb so 8 isn't being fully utilized at all (I think it was using 7.1gb, haven't read the article in a few days).  Every other game was 5.6gb or so or lower.  (I understand this is all inside that specific testing environment etc)

 

So that 16gb is useful for some....but for my use case wouldn't ever be utilized as a gamer.

[Misanthrope]

1 hour ago, Franck said:

I am curious of the word choices. How is very slightly ahead in 1 test and 20% behind in all the older considered neck to neck ? That mean the 2070 is also neck to neck with the 2080

Well "necks" can be as short as on mice and as long as on Giraffes after all.

 

Note that this is not only a joke as this very thing is the thing that both Nvidia and AMD use to sell their GPUs after all. All recommendations always have to carry a long is of "X however Y" with Y being, for example, the few games in which AMD is just clearly better, if not for the price sometimes overall (Less likely nowadays but still feasible).

 

So at the end of the day the myriad of options and performance numbers end up working in being rather confusing and unclear for end users.

 

Which is better? - If you can't answer this in a single sentence and maybe 20 words, then PR already won for both sides.

[Madgemade]

The compute performance is great. I will be using mine (if I get get one) for some compute work so it's a nice bonus to have.

Last time I got a GPU was 2013 and AMD Finewine has worked well for my. My R9 290 outperforms the 780 is was against in almost everything now, especially modern titles, at launch they were very close.

16GB VRAM is nice for future proofing too, but for right now it's not super useful.

[schwellmo92]

3 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

 

So that 16gb is useful for some....but for my use case wouldn't ever be utilized as a gamer.

In the same way that RTX is useful for some, me personally I would rather have additional VRAM which I know for certain will be useful going forward versus a proprietary technology that may never take off.