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Content Ban-anza - YouTube to ban video uploads

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16 minutes ago, porina said:

You have seen lawmakers in action before right?

Some things are well intentioned, but will come with negative side effects. I'm sick of clicking on cookie agreements when visiting sites. This is worse than them trying to profile me. It is starting to make Brexit sound like a good thing. Which it isn't, but that's how broken the world is and it doesn't seem to be getting any better any time soon.

 

Let's see, does Canada still have the point system for immigration?... :) 

I just hate that their regulations affect my stuff when i am not part of the EU. They should make a system that makes the regulations zone specific that way they can deal with their own shitty regulations by themselves. 

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12 minutes ago, dtaflorida said:

 

Part of me wants to see this pass, unanimously... just to set an example of what happens to the lawmakers on the next election cycle. Like a whole governing reset. Something to scare the american politicians.

How would this scare American politicians? 

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20 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

I just hate that their regulations affect my stuff when i am not part of the EU. They should make a system that makes the regulations zone specific that way they can deal with their own shitty regulations by themselves. 

The world is highly connected now. It is difficult for one region to do something without impacting others indirectly. US political decisions impact the world as another example.


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3 hours ago, Sakkura said:

No, it requires "reasonable efforts" and demanding immediate scanning is probably not reasonable.

You're from Denmark, you should be fully aware of how dumb the EU can be on these matters.


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3 hours ago, LordOTaco said:

Soooo Floatplane, bitchute, and dailymotion then? 

bitchute is pretty cool. Thanks for posting it. Dailymotion is too much porn to replace Youtube


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10 minutes ago, porina said:

The world is highly connected now. It is difficult for one region to do something without impacting others indirectly. US political decisions impact the world as another example.

I just don't like the EU because they pull this crap alot. They sound like that committee that just looks for problems to solve. I think they should just stop trying to solve problems until the are actually important. 

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What the flipping WHAT?

 

This is seriously going to fu** the internet if this passes... Like to the point where I don't even want to joke about this.

 

I live in the EU right now but have US citizenship, is there anything I can do to protest against this?

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There are no cultured words to describe this level of dumbness.... :dry:

 

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And while we are at it let me mention how brutally id like to kill that idiot who thought putting 1000+ emoji into the selector is a good idea(loads slowly AF).

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EU, get it together 


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How the fuck is the EU fucking copyright law up more than the US? It's not a contest to see who can make the worst legislation. Really surprised the EU would even allow themselves to be so easily bent to the will of rights holders


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From the Wired article

"It’s worth noting that despite the Directive including an exception that explicitly excludes Wikipedia and GitHub from these rules, both companies have maintained their opposition to the Directive."

 

So, how long before github and wikipedia go into the CDN business?

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3 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

Google probably thought having Google chrome come with android was a reasonable thing to do but they got a huge fine for it. I would think they don't trust the EU to not fine them for something silly. I mean is this entire thing that big of a problem to begin with? I feel like they think the issue is much larger than it is and are creating a law to combat an issue that isn't nearly as big as they are making it out to be. 

If they really thought that was fine then they brought it on themselves. Microsoft already got smacked down for packing in a browser with an OS, why should Google get a pass?

 

Video freebooting is actually a pretty significant problem. I just think this is a really bad way to try to solve it.

 

2 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

You're from Denmark, you should be fully aware of how dumb the EU can be on these matters.

I'm also aware of how dumb the press can be in reporting on these matters. And this forum, to be honest, can be even worse.

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2 hours ago, Sakkura said:

If they really thought that was fine then they brought it on themselves. Microsoft already got smacked down for packing in a browser with an OS, why should Google get a pass?

 

Video freebooting is actually a pretty significant problem. I just think this is a really bad way to try to solve it.

 

I'm also aware of how dumb the press can be in reporting on these matters. And this forum, to be honest, can be even worse.

Apple does it and didn't get smacked with a huge fine. Windows still comes with edge so i am unsure how it makes sense presently. Also it makes 0 sense to not allow a company that creates an operating system to not include software as part of the os. It's not like Google even prevents you from going and installing a diffrent web browser. Honestly if anything not having a browser preinstalled would be worse for common users. The EU is just dumb about anything tech related and thinks they are helping when they have more harm than good so far. Video freebooting is not a big problem tbh. It's about the same a people pirating games. 

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8 hours ago, LordOTaco said:

Soooo Floatplane, bitchute, and dailymotion then? 

Never heard of bitchute before just checked it out it's cool. I had actually thought about making a p2p YouTube like service before but never got around to making a prototype or anything so it's cool to see the concept in use.

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8 hours ago, Shorty88jr said:

Sooooo by making a law to try and stop copyright infringement they made torrenting a big thing again and probably will become bigger than ever. tenor.gif

I'm disappointed that I found out that was just a skit. I really wanted Gordon to actually do that.

 

Seems to me more like YouTube just doesn't like whatever the EU policy is so they're saying BS to try and get the people against the EU law.

Then again, I have no idea what the law or it's actual implications are.

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I'm not in the EU so I'm not familiar with these new laws and what they will mean... But basically it will be up to google to pre-scan everything that is uploaded to the platform for any possible copyright infringement, and if they host anything that may infringe on someones copyright, Youtube/Google/Alphabet can be punished for hosting it? One of the issues Youtube is facing is that it receives far too much data to scan in real time...?

 

Youtube should just make it so that videos are uploaded as normal, and then once the Youtube algorithms/AI checks the video for copyright content it assigns a flag to the video to either pass or fail it.

People outside of the EU can still watch them as normal once they're uploaded since these laws won't apply to them, but people in the EU will get a warning message on videos that haven't been scanned yet saying "This video is not yet available in your region. Please check back once it has been approved". If the video gets approved, people in the EU can view the content as they normally would. If the video doesn't get approved, then they receive a warning message instead of the video stating that it is unavailable in their region with a link to info on the new laws.

 

Youtube could prioritise the partnered content creators (or whatever they're called now) in a fast lane to get almost instantaneous scanning to ensure their videos go up 'live' in the EU. The average joe uploader posting a video of their fishing trip or Fortnite gameplay footage may have to wait a few hours for their content to be approved and go live.


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I think that youtube & others will be slightly appeased but this will still pass in the EU and eventually really put a dent on youtube.

 

The thing is that having a centralized service and company in charge of user content its just not a feasible idea. It becomes an easy target. A target of extremely large media companies that still have the money and the pull to kill their efforts instead of dying out to make sure user content is minimal and all the content still comes from them.

 

Or need I remind you just how many of youtube top channels and overall views go directly to record companies via VEVO already?

 

Youtube needs a bit more than angry posturing and seeking user sympathy. If they need to survive, they need to start fighting media companies on their terms: Bribe a few fucking politicians and stop getting beaten by others to the punch.


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4 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

Apple does it and didn't get smacked with a huge fine. Windows still comes with edge so i am unsure how it makes sense presently. Also it makes 0 sense to not allow a company that creates an operating system to not include software as part of the os. It's not like Google even prevents you from going and installing a diffrent web browser. Honestly if anything not having a browser preinstalled would be worse for common users. The EU is just dumb about anything tech related and thinks they are helping when they have more harm than good so far. Video freebooting is not a big problem tbh. It's about the same a people pirating games. 

You don't understand how the  laws work and what the  problem was.

What apple does doesn't affect other companies because they are the only one that can use IOS. If Google was the only one that could use Android and customize it, EU wouldn't have done anything. But what's Google did affects companies like Samsung without being fair.

 

 


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10 hours ago, Sakkura said:

If they really thought that was fine then they brought it on themselves. Microsoft already got smacked down for packing in a browser with an OS, why should Google get a pass?

 

Video freebooting is actually a pretty significant problem. I just think this is a really bad way to try to solve it.

 

I'm also aware of how dumb the press can be in reporting on these matters. And this forum, to be honest, can be even worse.

And most people seem to just trust how s company reacts to a law is the only way they could have reacted or the right way to react to it.

 

Like most people here doesn't seem to put any blame at Google at all, not even a tiny bit.

 

Google react the way it does not because it's that they must do, far from it, they do it because they try to use it to change the law in this case. And in the case of the fine they got they want EU to retract it/not do something similar again.


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5 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

Apple does it and didn't get smacked with a huge fine. Windows still comes with edge so i am unsure how it makes sense presently. Also it makes 0 sense to not allow a company that creates an operating system to not include software as part of the os. It's not like Google even prevents you from going and installing a diffrent web browser. Honestly if anything not having a browser preinstalled would be worse for common users. The EU is just dumb about anything tech related and thinks they are helping when they have more harm than good so far. Video freebooting is not a big problem tbh. It's about the same a people pirating games. 

Apple hasn't had a dominant market share.

 

Windows has specific anti-trust versions available in Europe and South Korea.

 

It does make sense to prohibit software bundling, as that's a way to abuse a monopoly. It's not fair competition between browsers if one is installed by default on most PCs.

 

Video freebooting is a big problem.

 

 

4 hours ago, Spotty said:

I'm not in the EU so I'm not familiar with these new laws and what they will mean... But basically it will be up to google to pre-scan everything that is uploaded to the platform for any possible copyright infringement, and if they host anything that may infringe on someones copyright, Youtube/Google/Alphabet can be punished for hosting it? One of the issues Youtube is facing is that it receives far too much data to scan in real time...?

There's no requirement to scan in real time in the proposal.

 

(and it's not law yet)

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