Intel announces 10nm Cannon Lake NUC codename "Crimson Canyon" with AMD Radeon Graphics launching in September 2018

[ARikozuM]

8 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

This is very ignorant, you know clocks dont equal performance.

For a dual-core, it means a lot. Otherwise, you're going to be busy waiting for calls to queue and finish. 

[GoldenLag]

10 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

You cant get anything better at the size, and it could be a lot worse.

A NUC with a 2200GE anyone?

[Nicnac]

This is basically to show their investors on paper that they are actually already producing 10nm products and everything is fine.

 

[ARikozuM]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

A NUC with a 2200GE anyone?

Are we talking about washing machines? 

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I'd rather have that! Then whatever 1080@15 gaming this thing would be doing.

 

[AlTech]

I love how nobody is talking about the base model's 4GB LPDDR4 soldered RAM

[AlTech]

2 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Are we talking about washing machines? 

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I'd rather have that! Then whatever 1080@15 gaming this thing would be doing.

 

2200GE is basically 2200G Ryzen APU but 35w instead.

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

I love how nobody is talking about the base model's 4GB LPDDR4 soldered RAM

I think most stopped reading after "dual-core". 

[GoldenLag]

8 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

I love how nobody is talking about the base model's 4GB LPDDR4 soldered RAM

 

All the potential "performance" is out the window. (Or into running windows)

Edited August 17, 2018 by GoldenLag

[WereCat]

43 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

The Steam Link, if there's another computer in the house, is a much better purchase. There's no need to purchase this at $400 (speculation) when the Link is $50 or so. 

You can often get SteamLink during a sale for 0.99$

[AngryBeaver]

I don't see the problem. They are just basically saying "HEY LOOK WE HAVE RELEASED A 10NM PRODUCT!!"

 

It doesn't mean it needs to be bleeding edge and this thing will be sipping the power instead of gulping it down. This is just a start. The 10 nm process will greatly improve and we will see more cores, higher clocks, and better efficiency. I also wouldn't be surprised in us seeing another big IPC jump moving forward.

 

The truth is it is just too early to tell, but you cannot base what is coming by some low end product they just released.

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

I don't see the problem. They are just basically saying "HEY LOOK WE HAVE RELEASED A 10NM PRODUCT!!"

 

It doesn't mean it needs to be bleeding edge and this thing will be sipping the power instead of gulping it down. This is just a start. The 10 nm process will greatly improve and we will see more cores, higher clocks, and better efficiency. I also wouldn't be surprised in us seeing another big IPC jump moving forward.

 

The truth is it is just too early to tell, but you cannot base what is coming by some low end product they just released.

No, i think people base 10nm performance of a graph intel themselves showed us. Certainly it will be better, but it doesnt paint a nice picture. You cant tell performance, but you can tell how unready 10nm is for massproduction

[AngryBeaver]

6 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

No, i think people base 10nm performance of a graph intel themselves showed us. Certainly it will be better, but it doesnt paint a nice picture. You cant tell performance, but you can tell how unready 10nm is for massproduction

I wouldn't even say you can tell how ready it is based off this. I mean yes, they are having yield issues with their new 10nm stuff. That being said a dual core will be much easier to produce for, where a quad core or higher would be costly due to yield issues.

 

You also have to consider this is a low power option. So not an area we would see any type of shining from what it can do. Now looking at benchmark information it is pretty much neck and neck with the 8130u and 8109u. These are 14nm at 3.4 and 3.6 ghz respectively compared to the 3.2 on the i3-8121U. So since the benchmarks numbers show it between the two with a slower clock... there is some minor gains here with the new 10nm process even if it is only on the low end atm.

[GoldenLag]

6 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

I wouldn't even say you can tell how ready it is based off this. I mean yes, they are having yield issues with their new 10nm stuff. That being said a dual core will be much easier to produce for, where a quad core or higher would be costly due to yield issues.

Well its not a new part really. We have allready seen this processor and GPU in a laptop, but the lack of iGPU is a bad sign

[WereCat]

42 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

A NUC with a 2200GE anyone?

That would be sweet. 

I find it funny how the 2200GE is much more powerful and efficient compared to this NUC configuration. 

[Trixanity]

That chip is an embarrassment for Intel. They couldn't make a 10nm chip with a functional GPU yet they had to release a 10nm product to please investors. And now they're just trying to find a use for them since no one* wants to buy them.

 

If we ignore the market pressure, they should never have released this crap and just swallowed their pride instead.

 

*I know Lenovo put it in a laptop but I imagine that Lenovo made some deal with Intel so they got them super cheap and probably some other perks making it worth it.

[samcool55]

I'm wondering what the IPC will be.

[rockking1379]

7 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

The Steam Link, if there's another computer in the house, is a much better purchase. There's no need to purchase this at $400 (speculation) when the Link is $50 or so. 

I bought one for my daughter on sale for 12 shipped. The steam link that is. She actually enjoys playing Lego games on it

[cj09beira]

6 hours ago, AngryBeaver said:

I wouldn't even say you can tell how ready it is based off this. I mean yes, they are having yield issues with their new 10nm stuff. That being said a dual core will be much easier to produce for, where a quad core or higher would be costly due to yield issues.

 

You also have to consider this is a low power option. So not an area we would see any type of shining from what it can do. Now looking at benchmark information it is pretty much neck and neck with the 8130u and 8109u. These are 14nm at 3.4 and 3.6 ghz respectively compared to the 3.2 on the i3-8121U. So since the benchmarks numbers show it between the two with a slower clock... there is some minor gains here with the new 10nm process even if it is only on the low end atm.

at this die size not even getting good enough yields to keep the igpu enabled is horrible, this is a 2 core +igpu die, its as small as it gets and they can't get it to work

[ravenshrike]

8 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

It's a ridiculously underpowered PC and is basically Intel beta testing their Cannon Lake 10nm process.

 

 

Arguably not even that. They've just got all the shit parts that are marginally functional lying around and are trying to recoup some kind of money out of them.

[suicidalfranco]

why pick up something over priced like a NUC when you have the likes of azulle?

 

[Drak3]

So basically, a de OSXified Mac Mini.

[AngryBeaver]

19 hours ago, cj09beira said:

at this die size not even getting good enough yields to keep the igpu enabled is horrible, this is a 2 core +igpu die, its as small as it gets and they can't get it to work

Have you ever run a fab? This isnt like the other companys who outsource the chips to another company.

 

This means that they are on their own timeline to which they have already announced was pushed back due to yield issues. In the end Intel has pretty much always had a better chip. That is because they design it from the ground up based on how they want to use it. 

 

So yes they have yield issues, but I think you dont understand the amount of time, research and fine tuning that goes in to the process... on top of that the smaller the process the more QC issues you will have.

[Mooshi]

This thing is a beast compared to the garbage work PCS I have to deal with.

[cj09beira]

On 8/18/2018 at 6:06 PM, AngryBeaver said:

Have you ever run a fab? This isnt like the other companys who outsource the chips to another company.

 

This means that they are on their own timeline to which they have already announced was pushed back due to yield issues. In the end Intel has pretty much always had a better chip. That is because they design it from the ground up based on how they want to use it. 

 

So yes they have yield issues, but I think you dont understand the amount of time, research and fine tuning that goes in to the process... on top of that the smaller the process the more QC issues you will have.

the thing is that from what we know they are behind tsmc and maybe on par with glo fo but newer rumors points to intel scaling down 10nm as they aren't able to improve yields to acceptable levels, while in a few months tsmc will be producing 12-16 core cpus for amd. i have no doubt that they invest a lot into their products, but this time they messed up and there is no way around it. everyone is tackling the same problem, intel has been able to be ahead for a long time, but this time they wont be able too and it will hurt

[asus killer]

still releasing dual cores in late 2018! Sweet mother of god