Youtube kicking off Gun Channels, oppurtunity for Floatplane?

[Ryujin2003]

2 minutes ago, Whispre said:

I see everyone assuming YT is doing this to "control" us somehow... but I think it's more likely a simple business decision to avoid costly lawsuits. In today's litigation insane world where the public wants to sue and lay blame for everything even their own bad decisions, companies like YT have to protect themselves and their revenue stream.

 

I also think claims of censorship are too strong... this is not a free public service... they own what they do and have the right to control the content on it. If this was a public service paid for by tax dollars, I can see an outcry when they control what they allow.

 

I would prefer that they allow all content to be honest... but I can understand why they would want to limit some things.

No, I think a lot of it is control. Google is a major power house on information access. If Google guides people to specific search results for example, then they have the ability begin persuading a population. I don't trust them not to, and I view every move Google makes as a power play. They do things with a purpose, and most of the time they don't really seem to care about ethical or moral implications. Might seem like that on the outside sometimes; however, they have an agenda and they push for it.

[Mira Yurizaki]

8 minutes ago, Whispre said:

I see everyone assuming YT is doing this to "control" us somehow... but I think it's more likely a simple business decision to avoid costly lawsuits. In today's litigation insane world where the public wants to sue and lay blame for everything even their own bad decisions, companies like YT have to protect themselves and their revenue stream.

 

I also think claims of censorship are too strong... this is not a free public service... they own what they do and have the right to control the content on it. If this was a public service paid for by tax dollars, I can see an outcry when they control what they allow.

 

I would prefer that they allow all content to be honest... but I can understand why they would want to limit some things.

Then let's just sue ISPs for allowing all of this content to be accessible in the first place.

 

/s

Edited March 21, 2018 by M.Yurizaki

[knightslugger]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

Then let's just sue ISPs for allowing all of this content to be accessible in the first place.

it would be futile. The FCC pulled protections that would otherwise name internet providers as a common carrier or public service.

[AresKrieger]

Well fortunately youtube doesn't make any money off me since I greatly oppose this, its also good that the channels I watch has their own sponsors. I really wonder when someone will decide to make an actual competitor since youtube has being driving itself off a cliff.

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, knightslugger said:

it would be futile. The FCC pulled protections that would otherwise name internet providers as a common carrier or public service.

My post was made in jest.

 

I suppose I should add a /s tag to it.

[Nicnac]

Since FPS Russia is kinda dead I couldn't care less ^^

[Ryujin2003]

2 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

Well fortunately youtube doesn't make any money off me since I greatly oppose this, its also good that the channels I watch has their own sponsors. I really wonder when someone will decide to make an actual competitor since youtube has being driving itself off a cliff.

Yeah.. Maybe someone can float this idea to someone else, and they can look at it and see if this could take flight.. Like a plane or bird or something.

 

But seriously, yes I agree YouTube has a lot of power and influence in due to its popularity.

[AresKrieger]

2 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

Yeah.. Maybe someone can float this idea to someone else, and they can look at it and see if this could take flight.. Like a plane or bird or something.

 

But seriously, yes I agree YouTube has a lot of power and influence in due to its popularity.

Well unfortunately floatplane isn't a competitor it is a supplementary service, LTT has stated this prior I believe they worded it in the manner of "this isn't meant to replace youtube".

 

But it is a platform none the less, regardless google's agenda is quite clear as usual.

[Cyracus]

46 minutes ago, knightslugger said:

one video disussing the function of a bumpstock will get the account a flag.

one video talking about the unnessecary presence of a bump stock will get a flag.

discussing the function of a bumpstock or the necessity or lack thereof of it's presence wouldn't be a violation of the policy as written

[Ryujin2003]

2 minutes ago, asus killer said:

i'm on the side of youtube, good move.  I don't get this love of guns, then again in the schools in my country kids don't get shoot. 

 

PS: YT is not serving only Americans but the all world, 99% will be applauding this.

How pissed off would the rest of the world be if YouTube banned every account that posted a running of the bulls video citing animal abuse? YouTube serves more than just Spain.

[TheRandomness]

1 hour ago, RKRiley said:

Guess that's goodbye to Demolition Ranch then  

Well he just shows off the guns and stuff, so long as he doesn't provide links to buy or do any home made attachment guides, he should be fine.

[Ryujin2003]

2 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

Well unfortunately floatplane isn't a competitor it is a supplementary service, LTT has stated this prior I believe they worded it in the manner of "this isn't meant to replace youtube".

 

But it is a platform none the less, regardless google's agenda is quite clear as usual.

I thought it was supposed to be an alternative/replacement for content creators. Not something for in addition.

[asus killer]

1 minute ago, Ryujin2003 said:

How pissed off would the rest of the world be if YouTube banned every account that posted a running of the bulls video citing animal abuse? YouTube serves more than just Spain.

i'm not Spanish nor do i like bull fighting. When the animals are mistreated (i guess it doesn't happen in all cases like pamplona i guess) of course the content should be banned, i would like if that happened.

[Ryujin2003]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Only for those looking to oppress populations.

You won't know about it if you don't hear about it... /s

Just now, Drak3 said:

 

Perhaps kids wouldn't get shot in the US if the authorities did their fucking job, and mental health issues were being taken care of.

Because Google is responsible. You know, they don't hear and witness this violence daily from modern media. Google removing non-violent content won't do a damn thing.

Just now, Drak3 said:

How the policy is worded is worthless. Given Google's track record, this'll be abused and they won't care.

Absolutely agree.. They will threaten to demonetize this, but considering how they have reacted to YouTubers in the past, this would be a drop in the bucket: no one cares.

[knightslugger]

1 minute ago, Cyracus said:

discussing the function of a bumpstock or the necessity or lack thereof of it's presence wouldn't be a violation of the policy as written

yes it does. 

 

"This also includes instructions on how to convert a firearm to automatic or simulated automatic firing capabilities."

 

What you don't seem to understand is that no accessory is required to "simulate automatic firing capabilities". you're not CONVERTING ANYTHING. it is a function of reciprocating mass and physics. just talking about that by itself would constitute a breach of ToS.

 

 

[Ryujin2003]

2 minutes ago, asus killer said:

i'm not Spanish nor do i like bull fighting. When the animals are mistreated (i guess it doesn't happen in all cases like pamplona i guess) of course the content should be banned, i would like if that happened.

I wasn't suggesting you're Spanish. I'm pointing out that there are ethical and moral issues with content of other cultures (since you seem to insenuate that firearms is American culture). Running of the Bulls is Spanish. If all of this was blocked, wouldn't it offend someone?? Prevent any and all live streams? Block accounts, etc... No one bats an eye. And this stuff is actually injuring animals, yet it is totally acceptable to put on YouTube. Videos where people are talking about inanimate objects that aren't in the process of harming anyone are the target.

 

I can go onto YouTube and watch countless videos of children being abused, mistreated, bullied, etc... This is more socially acceptable than a firearm. In fact, many of these videos have millions of views, and I can only guess at the ad revenue made from this garbage. This is misplaced inaction on Google's behalf. It's sensationalism at best, and censorship and demonizing at worst.

[Mira Yurizaki]

I said this in a status response, but pedantic mode incoming:

 

It wouldn't be right to say Google is to blame here, because YouTube is a subsidiary that operates more or less independently from Google. i.e., Google may not have much in the way of what YouTube does. And if you want to sue YouTube, you sue YouTube, not Google. The only thing Google is involved with YouTube are its actual business decisions. This is a policy decision.

 

And even then, if you want to blame Google, why not go for Alphabet? That's the conglomerate that controls Google now.

[Cyracus]

2 minutes ago, knightslugger said:

"This also includes instructions on how to convert a firearm to automatic or simulated automatic firing capabilities."

saying what something does or how it works does not equate to giving instructions on how to create or install it. A gpu renders images, animations, and video, it does this by performing advanced mathematical and geometric calculations. A very simplified overview, but you could give in depth detail about how a gpu does what it does and that doesn't equate to giving instructions on how to make one. Likewise you could explain what a bumpstock is and how it works without laying out instructions on how to make one yourself

[knightslugger]

2 minutes ago, Cyracus said:

saying what something does or how it works does not equate to giving instructions on how to create or install it. A gpu renders images, animations, and video, it does this by performing advanced mathematical and geometric calculations. A very simplified overview, but you could give in depth detail about how a gpu does what it does and that doesn't equate to giving instructions on how to make one. Likewise you could explain what a bumpstock is and how it works without laying out instructions on how to make one yourself

again, you don't NEED ONE to do what it does...

[Kobathor]

I think it's very easy to tell that YouTube is trying to escort gun YouTubers out the door. These rules are ridiculous.

 

No advertising guns? YouTube is literally an advertising platform.

No instructional videos about building guns and ammo? That's just silly. Not only is it legal, but it's a hobby in the US. Gunsmithing is an art in many ways, and it still lives on as a modern trade. Reloading ammo is cost-effective for range shooters and just a fun thing to pass the time if it interests you. But not allowed on YouTube!

No showing how to install accessories?? What?? It says only for homemade but the bots vetting videos will have no way to tell.

 

Some of it makes sense. No instructionals on converting semi-auto to auto weapons, and no building of homemade silencers. Both of those are illegal activities so it makes sense that YouTube would want them off of their site. 

 

But I guess YouTubers that advertise guns and reload ammo will just move on to a different platform. Same with talented gunsmiths that want to demonstrate their craft. YouTube's loss is their gain.

[Dabombinable]

More theater to make people think YT is doing something that will help (it won't). Books are still a thing, and if we start having books burnt again......

[Cyracus]

Just now, knightslugger said:

again, you don't NEED ONE to do what it does...

back to the initial comment in this little discussion 

1 hour ago, knightslugger said:

here's another thing. "covert a firearm ... to simulated automatic fire.

 

so a video showing your finger in the trigger guard or explaining that a finger is all that is needed to simulate that function of the slide fire rifle stock will not be allowed on youtube.

 

one video disussing the function of a bumpstock will get the account a flag.

one video talking about the unnessecary presence of a bump stock will get a flag.

 

firearm not needed to be present for video. just the discussion is enough to get the video black-flagged.

saying move your finger would not go against their terms, no conversion has been made, no modification, it's just explaining how the gun works, which is not against their listed policies. Discussion of a bumpstock or how it works does not violate their listed policies. Discussion of feeling a bumpstock is unnecessary... not a violation of their listed policies.

Under these policies you cannot have content that:

Intends to sell firearms or certain firearms accessories through direct sales (e.g., private sales by individuals) or links to sites that sell these items. These accessories include but may not be limited to accessories that enable a firearm to simulate automatic fire or convert a firearm to automatic fire (e.g., bump stocks, gatling triggers, drop-in auto sears, conversion kits), and high capacity magazines (i.e., magazines or belts carrying more than 30 rounds).

Provides instructions on manufacturing a firearm, ammunition, high capacity magazine, homemade silencers/suppressors, or certain firearms accessories such as those listed above. This also includes instructions on how to convert a firearm to automatic or simulated automatic firing capabilities

Shows users how to install the above-mentioned accessories or modifications.

In short, 1. don't try to sell guns or gun accessories or provide links to buy them, 2. don't provide information on manufacturing guns or gun accessories, or how to modify them, and 3. don 't show people how to install gun modifications.

It does not say you can't have homemade or modified guns in videos, or discuss the functioning or purpose of guns and gun accessories

[crystal6tak]

Reminds me of the time Cody's Lab (an amazing chemist that makes amazing science educational videos) got a strike for making a video on how to extract nitrate from urine (to make gunpowder).

 

IMO, this seems like borderline censorship. I hope Youtube will be more lenient with the rules where educational videos are fine. Like how they do it with nudity. Straight up porn is not allowed on youtube, but you can easily find nude females by looking for "vagina anatomy" and other educational oriented videos.

[straight_stewie]

2 hours ago, starkiller1 said:

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• Shows users how to install the above-mentioned accessories or modifications."

 

That ones a little vague: Is inserting a 30 round PMAG into an AR-15 considered "installing a high capacity magazine"?

[Bsmith]

although it might be worry some for future roads of youtube, I don't see a direct issue since guns here are strongly regulated here(even airsoft rifles require a fire arms license last time I checked) and things like that are pretty unthinkable.

 

non the less sucks for the creators and their followings/communities.