Rumour: Intel Core 9000 series to get more threads

[Essence_of_Darkness]

23 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

well if you are going to wait for this rumor what do you think of the 12c mainstream AMD Zen2 CPU that is rumored for end of 2018

Well, I honestly don't know. I hope it will have AM4 socket support cause I oredered R7 1700. My old phenom needs to go, it was great a CPU but it has to go. 

[The Benjamins]

Just now, Essence_of_Darkness said:

Well, I honestly don't know. I hope it will have AM4 socket support cause I oredered R7 1700. My old phenom needs to go, it was great a CPU but it has to go. 

AM4 should support zen2 and possibly even zen 3 if their statement of 4 year support on AM4 is true. and AMD has had a habit of supporting socket longer then intel.

[Hobox]

1 hour ago, Morgan MLGman said:

This is sad A core # increase wasn't possible in 7 previous generation (Nehalem to Kaby Lake) but it's possible to double the core count in 2 gens now that AMD actually offers competitive CPUs?

The real damage done here is to all the software we use. Had Intel at least had REASONABLE releases, like 6 cores around 2012, 8 cores around 2015, and 10 for 2017 to now sort of match where we ended up anyway, developers would be programming with increased thread count in mind all the more. Optimization would be nearly a decade ahead of where it is now.

 

Intel essentially held the world back a decade in computing with their greediness. Makes my blood boil.

 

Remember, developers target hardware that's already mainstream, they don't target future hardware.

[NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle]

To Coffee Lake or Not To Coffee Lake? That is the question.

[XenosTech]

7 minutes ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

To Coffee Lake or Not To Coffee Lake? That is the question.

Icelake Kappa

[Matu20]

Rumor after rumor, I want to see some facts.

[MyName13]

I expected i5 to have 8c8t (so i3 and i5 would have the same amount of threads just like before).

[Koneinuri]

If this is true, I might consider an upgrade when I see the prices. That if only AMD don't bring something nice on the table

[bcredeur97]

2 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

This is sad A core # increase wasn't possible in 7 previous generation (Nehalem to Kaby Lake) but it's possible to double the core count in 2 gens now that AMD actually offers competitive CPUs?

this is why it's critical that AMD stays alive.

I've been saying this for years.... without their competition, the market goes nowhere.

[Froody129]

I wonder what power consumption will look like... if they're as hot as the 7700k it'll be an adventure cooling it

[MyName13]

1 minute ago, Froody129 said:

I wonder what power consumption will look like... if they're as hot as the 7700k it'll be an adventure cooling it

A CPU doesn't have to run at 5 GHz...

[Froody129]

2 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

A CPU doesn't have to run at 5 GHz...

I want it to run at 5GHz though . Otherwise why buy the K SKU?

[Rolling Potatoe]

That intel can casually double the core count on their cpu lineup gives you an idea

how large their profit margins were with AMD not being able to compete.

If AMD had stayed in the game we would be having 8 core 16 thread CPUs for a while now,

instead we had 4 cores 8 threads for 8 years when it only took 3-4 years to go from a 

single core 1 thread pentium to a quad core 8 thread I7.

[dizmo]

2 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

This is sad A core # increase wasn't possible in 7 previous generation (Nehalem to Kaby Lake) but it's possible to double the core count in 2 gens now that AMD actually offers competitive CPUs?

Welcome to business.

2 hours ago, nexus6 said:

I appreciate that you spelled "rumour" correctly.

 

On the news - means nothing without pricing.

Pretty sure a majority of the forum is American, so rumor would be correct

1 hour ago, hoboX10 said:

The real damage done here is to all the software we use. Had Intel at least had REASONABLE releases, like 6 cores around 2012, 8 cores around 2015, and 10 for 2017 to now sort of match where we ended up anyway, developers would be programming with increased thread count in mind all the more. Optimization would be nearly a decade ahead of where it is now.

 

Intel essentially held the world back a decade in computing with their greediness. Makes my blood boil.

 

Remember, developers target hardware that's already mainstream, they don't target future hardware.

Intel did release 12 core processors in 2012. On Xeon, where they belonged. 

 

8 core processors aren't even mainstream now. You can't use what some of a tech forum are buying either, we're far from the majority. 

11 minutes ago, Froody129 said:

I want it to run at 5GHz though . Otherwise why buy the K SKU?

Then live with the consequences

[Coaxialgamer]

coffeelake just came out . This won't be coming out before late 2018 , now that intel has a decent zen competitor with coffeelake.

By then zen + and maybe zen 2 will be out.

[AshleyAshes]

You kids these days.  Back in my day your computer was obsolete before you finished installing your games on it.  You've been spoiled by a plateau that dragged on from Sandy Bridge to Kaby Lake where all you had to do was upgrade your GPU every 2-3 years and it was all good.

[MyName13]

23 minutes ago, Froody129 said:

I want it to run at 5GHz though . Otherwise why buy the K SKU?

You can always buy AMD's cool CPUs (or simply live with it because you want the best thing on the market) or overclock it to 4.5 GHz.

[Dissitesuxba11s]

I can see it now: "Should I Upgrade to Coffeelake OR Wait for Icelake?" posts everywhere.

[NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle]

1 minute ago, Dissitesuxba11s said:

I can see it now: "Should I Upgrade to Coffeelake OR Wait for Icelake?" posts everywhere.

Actually cannonlake, since that's what is coming next. Then icelake and then tiger lake.

[Sauron]

3 hours ago, Essence_of_Darkness said:

Holy sh** if that rumor is true, then I might just cancel my Ryzen order

Well... by that logic you'd never buy anything  besides we don't know how ryzen 2 will be.

2 hours ago, FloRolf said:

And IPC will be the same as haswell, lol. 

That's unlikely, but the clock speeds are bound to be a bit lower - unless they want a 150W tdp.

[Taf the Ghost]

Part of me wants to troll a bit as this is "Late to the party" news, as this rumor has been around for a while.

 

But the claim is from further sources. Once Z390 ended up on Intel's roadmap, we new something was up with the next iteration. However, there's enough information out there that says at least some of the 9th Gen is Icelake. It looks a whole lot like Q3 2018 is going to be a messy release for Intel. There is almost 0% chance that they're going +2 cores on a new process, when yields are already bad.

 

This points to a few things. The 9th Gen in Desktop will just be a Coffeelake Refresh (i.e. whatever IP tweaks they do) with downshifted segmentation. Top SKU having 8c.  Z370 appears to be a DOA platform, while Z390 will handle 10th Gen/Icelake CPUs which are actually a large uArch update. (We're going from "Skylake Cores" to "Icelake Cores".)  First Icelake parts will be in the Mobile space. Icelake CPUs for Desktop is going to be H2 2019 by the official statements of Server before Desktop with 10nm+.

[Taf the Ghost]

2 hours ago, The Benjamins said:

AM4 should support zen2 and possibly even zen 3 if their statement of 4 year support on AM4 is true. and AMD has had a habit of supporting socket longer then intel.

Zen2 and a possible Zen2+. (Zen2+ isn't on any roadmap, but if DDR5 is late, both AMD & Intel will have to refresh.) Zen3 will be on AM5. Zen3 will be DDR5 and PCIe 4.0.

[just_dave]

Intel is basically a bunch of idiots at this point. They still keep refreshing their garbage 14nm architecture. 8c/16t CPU will need a massive cooling and VRM to be overclocked or even used regularly at all and i think the 9th gen will still be 14nm.

[Dylanc1500]

19 minutes ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

Actually cannonlake, since that's what is coming next. Then icelake and then tiger lake.

 Actually because of production issues Intel has chosen for cannonlake to be mobile only and desktop to jump from coffee lake to Icelake. Icelake is projected to be on the 2 generation of their 10nm process. For desktop Icelake will be an architecture and process update. With tigerlake being an slated to be an optimization.

 

these are however all projections that Intel has released so far and could change.

[Taf the Ghost]

17 minutes ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

Actually cannonlake, since that's what is coming next. Then icelake and then tiger lake.

Cannonlake isn't coming to Desktops by Intel's own statements. Icelake is when 10nm reaches mainstream.