Assassins Creed Origin DRM Hammers Gamers’ CPUs

[Dabombinable]

I hope there won't be any retroactive DRM. I love FC3BD (still haven't opened AC1-3).

[Ekst4zy]

10 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Thats their logic. It doesnt work and never will but thats the way businesses think.

Sure, I guess.

 

I wanted to buy Destiny 2 after playing open beta, but 60 usd? That's 77 cad + tax = 86 cad. Ridiculous. 

 

And they have crates you can buy too, right?

 

WTF

[WMGroomAK]

So, because one DRM is proven to be completely worthless and would probably only take about a day to crack, they decide to implement a second one on top of that? GG Ubisoft...  They should have just scrapped Denuvo completely if they were going to implement a DRM that is essentially creating a VM on your machine to run the game through.  Then again, maybe all devs should just scrap Denuvo as it's 'protection' appears to be worthless now.

[Sauron]

1 hour ago, mynameisjuan said:

DRM will stop when pirates stop.

No it won't, because publishers have almost no evidence of piracy in relevant numbers even right now. Just recently a study came up that proves the impact of piracy on media sales is irrelevant. They don't do this because people pirate, they do it because some out of touch bastards in a board room heard that pirates might copy their stuff illegally; they don't know if it actually happens, what it really entails and what impact it has on their sales, but on principle they will do anything to avoid it. If piracy "stops", all that will happen is that they will claim it was thanks to their latest bullshit DRM and will keep using it, even more than they do now, while patting themselves on the back.

 

If anything, MORE piracy would be a better deterrent to DRM, simply because most of them are pretty expensive and if they are proven completely ineffective publishers won't want to pay for them - but of course, moving in that direction would be illegal. The next best solution (this time completely legal) would be to boycott the sales of any game with intrusive DRM and reward publishers who don't include them, but let's face it, most people don't actually give a shit. They act outraged for a week and still buy it, as well as whatever's next.

18 minutes ago, Ekst4zy said:

Exactly. It seems to me that they treat it as a puzzle. 

 

Some people also think that everything should be free. You don't need an army of pirates, just couple smart and bored people.

There is proof that that is not the case. Yes, there will always be pirates, but no, they never have and never will significantly influence sales for the worse.

 

It also doesn't take much to look at all the completely free projects that have been going for decades just off of donations - if people really wanted everything for free and couldn't wait to jump on the occasion to not pay for something, that couldn't happen, could it? People are willing to pay, they just would rather not reward companies that 1) clearly don't care about anything other than getting every last dime out of you and 2) go out of their way to make the experience worse for paying customers.

[mynameisjuan]

8 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

 

 

7 minutes ago, Ekst4zy said:

 

 

4 minutes ago, Sauron said:

 

Fuck it, I dont know what else tell you guys. Im not supporting DRM bullshit, I am just saying to mentality businesses have when studies have show that pirating doesnt not affect sales and copy a digital item results in no profit loss. You keep arguing with someone on your side. 

[pas008]

sometimes I wonder how much they pay for this software to be added

 

wonder if they had in game achievements with real life items thru drawings and/or ladders/seasons etc using your email and product key would work better than paying for drm

 

might even boost sales

 

 

[MageTank]

34 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

@mynameisjuan

 

Stealing starts with "take something"... Pirating something starts with download a copy(meaning the original stays at its place). Meaning there is no profit loss either(hence the 1downlod != lost sale).... Their profit loss is just an imaginary number.

This is nonsense. If you intend to consume their product, you are a "potential customer". The fact that you do not want to pay for it, does not mean they didn't lose what would have been a potential profit had you actually paid for the product.

 

People can argue the theoretical loss all day long, but if they spend money to create a product, and people consume it without paying, it's still a real loss. The product not being physical does not change that. 

 

I know a lot of people claim to pirate based on lack of legitimate availability, but most of the piracy I see around video games, stems from this lack of entitlement people seem to have these days. They want everything under the sun, but do not want to work or pay for it. While I still don't personally buy the "I can't obtain it legitimately" excuse (again, you are not entitled to obtain it legitimately either if they've yet to make it available in your area), I tend to show more understanding for those that at least do so for said reason. If you are pirating a game because you feel it's not worth the asking price, you are clearly a consumer that WANTS the product, but simply doesn't want to pay for it. You are part of the problem.

 

Note: I am not saying you, jagdtigger are a pirate or part of the problem, just speaking in general for that part.

[MyName13]

1 minute ago, MageTank said:

This is nonsense. If you intend to consume their product, you are a "potential customer". The fact that you do not want to pay for it, does not mean they didn't lose what would have been a potential profit had you actually paid for the product.

 

People can argue the theoretical loss all day long, but if they spend money to create a product, and people consume it without paying, it's still a real loss. The product not being physical does not change that. 

 

I know a lot of people claim to pirate based on lack of legitimate availability, but most of the piracy I see around video games, stems from this lack of entitlement people seem to have these days. They want everything under the sun, but do not want to work or pay for it. While I still don't personally buy the "I can't obtain it legitimately" excuse (again, you are not entitled to obtain it legitimately either if they've yet to make it available in your area), I tend to show more understanding for those that at least do so for said reason. If you are pirating a game because you feel it's not worth the asking price, you are clearly a consumer that WANTS the product, but simply doesn't want to pay for it. You are part of the problem.

 

Note: I am not saying you, jagdtigger are a pirate or part of the problem, just speaking in general for that part.

And there are those pirates who simply can't afford it so nothing has been lost anyway.

[MageTank]

1 minute ago, MyName13 said:

And there are those pirates who simply can't afford it so nothing has been lost anyway.

That's still a loss. They are people that want to consume the product, and are taking the product without paying, when otherwise, they would have if they could. The entire issue stems from it not being physical, which means you cannot equate it to theft of say, food, but it's still consuming that cost others money to create, without paying for it. 

 

I keep seeing this justification that "no loss or theft is taking place", but it never really makes sense when people present that argument. No matter how you slice it, if a company has spent money creating something, and you have the desire to consume that product, and go out of your way to consume it for free, you are taking a potential sale from that company. If you had no intent to buy the product, and consumed it anyways, you fall under the "entitled child" category I mentioned earlier. 

 

I won't argue statistics, because I can't imagine statistics exist that can show actual potential customers vs people that are just blatantly cheap, but the bottom line is still very simple. If you want something, but don't want to pay for it, then don't just take it for free. I imagine we were all raised better than that, lol. 

[Ryujin2003]

8 minutes ago, MageTank said:

That's still a loss. They are people that want to consume the product, and are taking the product without paying, when otherwise, they would have if they could. The entire issue stems from it not being physical, which means you cannot equate it to theft of say, food, but it's still consuming that cost others money to create, without paying for it. 

 

I keep seeing this justification that "no loss or theft is taking place", but it never really makes sense when people present that argument. No matter how you slice it, if a company has spent money creating something, and you have the desire to consume that product, and go out of your way to consume it for free, you are taking a potential sale from that company. If you had no intent to buy the product, and consumed it anyways, you fall under the "entitled child" category I mentioned earlier. 

 

I won't argue statistics, because I can't imagine statistics exist that can show actual potential customers vs people that are just blatantly cheap, but the bottom line is still very simple. If you want something, but don't want to pay for it, then don't just take it for free. I imagine we were all raised better than that, lol. 

Maybe one of those socialist counties can incorporate this into their social welfare system...

 

Until then, stealing is stealing no matter your motivations. Piracy hurts the company who had to make money to pay it's employees.

 

I am 100% in agreement with you.

[Okjoek]

Can't be as bad as Planetside 2

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

35 minutes ago, MageTank said:

This is nonsense. If you intend to consume their product, you are a "potential customer". The fact that you do not want to pay for it, does not mean they didn't lose what would have been a potential profit had you actually paid for the product.

Just because someone downloads something doesn't mean they don't buy it. 

 

I used to play a pirated copy of The Sims 3.  I have an Origin account and bought the game on that.  The reason I played the pirated version is because it just runs better than the official game, doesn't have all that paid DLC nonsense and I don't want to deal with a bunch of useless programs like Origin, Uplay etc that only hog resources and always need to run whenever I want to play a game. 

I paid the devs, so I have zero moral issues with playing the "incomplete" version.

 

Similar story with music.  Whenever I considered buying a CD, I downloaded it first and listened to every song before buying the CD. 

Sure, I could look up all the songs on Youtube, but then I'd consume a lot more bandwidth and waste a lot more time than by just downloading the .mp3 files.  Also, downloading the music allows me to check out albums while not at home, something that my mobile data cap really wouldn't allow.

[MyName13]

18 minutes ago, MageTank said:

That's still a loss. They are people that want to consume the product, and are taking the product without paying, when otherwise, they would have if they could. The entire issue stems from it not being physical, which means you cannot equate it to theft of say, food, but it's still consuming that cost others money to create, without paying for it. 

 

I keep seeing this justification that "no loss or theft is taking place", but it never really makes sense when people present that argument. No matter how you slice it, if a company has spent money creating something, and you have the desire to consume that product, and go out of your way to consume it for free, you are taking a potential sale from that company. If you had no intent to buy the product, and consumed it anyways, you fall under the "entitled child" category I mentioned earlier. 

 

I won't argue statistics, because I can't imagine statistics exist that can show actual potential customers vs people that are just blatantly cheap, but the bottom line is still very simple. If you want something, but don't want to pay for it, then don't just take it for free. I imagine we were all raised better than that, lol. 

If you were in a situation where you wanted something but couldn't afford it, you would understand.Imagine a teenager who worked during the summer (or whenever) only to get barely enough money for a PC, do you really think he would have enough money for software (movies, TV shows, music...)?Pirates at least buy the hardware and recommend things they consume.Its incredible how people don't understand each other.By the way, without piracy I wouldn't even be here or even be able to speak English, people also pirate educational materials too, I wouldnt even consider buying hardware or video games once I actually become able to buy them.

[sof006]

I was considering buying this game. Not anymore. I'll wait till they ditch the DRM.

 

If I legit enjoy a game i'll buy it. Heck I bought Destiny 2 on all three platforms (call me sucker I don't care) because I like it and wanted to play it on everything.

[Thaldor]

There's also that those who crack games, usually don't care about who gets it free, all they care is that they get the fame of cracking that DRM. Same thing as hackers, most of those who have hacked into something liek NASA, FBI, NSA or other high-security target do it just for the fame of it.

 

Lately what I have noted, the best DRM is no DRM because it doesn't trigger the cracking community which is one of the biggest communities to push out pirated versions. As this big community isn't interested in your game, it doesn't mean it's not going to get pirated, because the fact is that everything gets pirated, but there will be a lot less people interested to keep the pirated version updated with powerful seedboxes. This is one reason why many early access titles are quite profitable financially, they start the early access, the game gets pirated, they start updating the game and with each update it takes longer and longer for it to get pirated nad even if we talk about few days with update out without it being pirated, within those few days there's always few people who find the updated features interesting enough to buy the game.

 

But still the biggest problem are the guys in the suits who know shit about games and the gaming communities and who have taken the big seats in companies with their money. All they see is the profit and cause the modern situation where most of the published games are pure crap and litterally from development viewpoint as big as DLCs from their earlier parts. (Another big part of crap in gaming industry are the assett flippers and cloners which now days are around 50% of everything.)  This, at least for me, creates atmosphere where I don't even want to buy games anymore, just because the developers are asshats. I bought PUBG, because at first it seemed like a good and fun game, when the Bluehole decided to turn Blueasshole (loot crates, pushing new features while the game is a bughell sometimes even unplayable) I have regereted that I spent those 20€... In the other hand, i was trying out the XING: The land beyond and found a comment from the dev about pirates (went something like "I don't really mind pirating, but if it eats my bread away I don't think I will make another game, even if I love it. The game doesn't have DRM, so if there's crack that demands installing something, it's a miner, stay away. For the seeders, I don't really like that you write "If you like the game buy it" I would more appreciate "If you like the game, recommend it" because reviews and recommendations bring more sales than just trying to get pirates to buy it") and I litterally went to "take my money"-mode and bought the game, just because the developer isn't an asshat. Samething with Darkwood, just showing that the developer isn't an asshat and has realistic view of the todays gaming community IMO, I am more than clad to support them even if I don't personally like their game.

 

This kind of DRM bullshit Ubisoft is putting out is like cancer to gaming community today at least in my opinion. Not even talking about the loot boxes, pre-order DLCs, cut out content DLCs, almost no development needed DLCs (and games, like Fallout 4 VR, which litterally didn't need 60€ worth of development at least what now has been seen). Which is why I don't feel bad about pirating EAs, Ubisofts or any other shit tier companys like them game, because I just don't feel that they deserve my money.

[MageTank]

Just now, MyName13 said:

If you were in a situation where you wanted something but couldn't afford it, you would understand.Imagine a teenager who worked during the summer (or whenever) only to get barely enough money for a PC, do you really think he would have enough money for software (movies, TV shows, music...)?Pirates at least buy the hardware and recommend things they consume.Its incredible how people don't understand each other.

I've been in that situation. I cleaned toilets at the age of 12 to afford my first MP3 player, only to work several more weeks to afford the music to put on the device. I lived the stereotypical trailer park lifestyle, I understand the feeling of wanting something, but not being able to get it. However, even as a child, I knew the difference between a WANT, and a NEED. You may WANT a game, but NEEDS come first. I do not see any way you will be able to spin piracy to equate it to the wants of those unable to afford things, but I'll certainly wait for you to try.

 

You can say it's my inability to understand or relate to those less fortunate, but that's simply not true. Having come from that exact place in my life, my outlook remains the same. If you want something, but cannot afford it, you don't need it. If you want something, and you can afford it, then you can buy it. Part of being an adult is determining the difference between wants and needs on a daily basis. 

[Megah3rtz]

I wonder if it runs better on a pirated copy then 

[suicidalfranco]

This are the times where i would rather buy the game on G2A than pirate it. At least with G2A i know there's a chance to hurt them where it matters

[Linus_torvalds]

They must invest that money for GAME itself. For example driveclub is PS4 exclusive game from 2014 and it's much better looking then any other PC racing game. There are tons of console exclusives with much better graphics and realistic looks. They do not care about PC. Why the hell does PC version need GTX 1080 ti + shitload of RAM + latest and greatest CPU when the same games run on shitty consoles even better. I know about graphics settings being lowered on consoles but they run much smoother then PC versions. They optimize games for consoles but not PCs. If you are asking same amount of money for both you should make them equal.

 

[chilicheeseburger]

Back when I still went to school and didn't earn any money, I used to pirate a lot. There were basically two reasons, either not enough money or the game not being available/censored in my country. I even cracked the games I owned legitimately because I couldn't be bothered to swap CDs. I have NEVER ran across any game that didn't have a crack. They all get cracked eventually. I get why DRM is implemented in games but the way that Ubisoft have done it here is just ridiculous.

 

I can only speak for myself, but I actually buy games because I like them not because I can't crack them.

[spat55]

2 hours ago, mynameisjuan said:

DRM will stop when pirates stop. It will continue to hurt the paying customers as this is a vicious endless cycle. 

But if I pirate it I don't support them, I paid for Witcher 3 and the Season Pass even though it was the easiest game to pirate, I paid because I knew how much work went into it and how they didn't put any DRM in.

[Ekst4zy]

31 minutes ago, MageTank said:

I've been in that situation. I cleaned toilets at the age of 12 to afford my first MP3 player, only to work several more weeks to afford the music to put on the device. I lived the stereotypical trailer park lifestyle, I understand the feeling of wanting something, but not being able to get it. However, even as a child, I knew the difference between a WANT, and a NEED. You may WANT a game, but NEEDS come first. I do not see any way you will be able to spin piracy to equate it to the wants of those unable to afford things, but I'll certainly wait for you to try.

 

You can say it's my inability to understand or relate to those less fortunate, but that's simply not true. Having come from that exact place in my life, my outlook remains the same. If you want something, but cannot afford it, you don't need it. If you want something, and you can afford it, then you can buy it. Part of being an adult is determining the difference between wants and needs on a daily basis. 

Of course you are from USA. Good for you.

 

Try earning money in countries where to save for a PC takes years not weeks. 

 

Also go and tell to their face that they don't need it. Maybe also show them a pretty picture of your setup to rub some salt into the wound.

 

Fuck man, you have no idea how easy it is to earn money in US / Canada. It's not even comparable to some countries out there.

[yian88]

Absolutely degenerate.... ubisoft and EA man they at it again, never resting until they self destroy.

 

I wonder if they dont use your CPU to mine bitcoin and such and call it VM for denuvo :))) nothing surprises me anymore, or even your gpu. 

[MageTank]

Just now, Ekst4zy said:

Of course you are from USA. Good for you.

 

Try earning money in countries where to save for a PC takes years not weeks. 

 

Also go and tell to their face that they don't need it. Maybe also show them a pretty picture of your setup to rub salt into the wound.

 

Fuck man, you have no idea how easy it is to earn money in US / Canada. It's not even comparable to some countries out there.

Thank you for confirming my point about piracy. It's not a matter of it being inaccessible, it's a matter of people thinking they are entitled to have the luxuries others spend their hard earned money on, for free.

 

I also fail to see what me being from the US has to do with anything. I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth, and have held a job since the age of 12 to afford the things I want. My PC was not bought for me, and I never asked my parents for the things I wanted in life once I was of age to work for what I wanted. If you walked up to me in person, and told me you pirate because you cannot afford it, i'll tell you to spend less time pirating games, and more time looking for work/improving your livelihood.

 

I get it, that truth is not ideal, because it requires great effort, but you people are going to seriously try to convince me that piracy is okay when you can't afford it? You people have access to electricity, internet, PC with hardware strong enough to play video games, etc, and this is how you try to guilt trip me? Give me a break. 

 

Also, it took me 2 years of work to build my first gaming PC. I made $80 every other 2 weeks working summers starting at the age of 12, started saving at 13,  and I built my first "gaming PC" when I was 15. I still have that 9800GT sitting on my desk as a reminder. Granted, it has an AMD CPU fan zip-tied to it, it's still my first card, and the sentiments of it remain the same. 

[apm]

pirates always win.

 

maybe this was a last minute reaction to the last few games that had denuvo and were cracked shortly after release.