American Tariff on Chinese products.

[DVA]

So...how do you guys feel the tariff on Chinese products is going?

 

I personally have noticed a lot of prices going up in price lately and going out of stock. 

 

The main things I have noticed that have slightly risen or are constantly going out of stock:

 

-CPU's

-GPU's

-Cases

 

I don't think I've paid much attention to other hardware but I know Trump put the tariff on China which puts the average price up due to recouping losses and trying to stabilize prices with other countries. 

 

What are your guys' thoughts on tihs?

 

Personally I bring this up because I just built my PC, I left it on PCpartpicker. One as the prices I purchased them for, and one as the current prices. The current prices already surpassed my purchased by over $100

Edited October 3, 2018 by SansVarnic

[TVwazhere]

1 minute ago, DVA said:

Personally I bring this up because I just built my PC, I left it on PCpartpicker. One as the prices I purchased them for, and one as the current prices. The current prices already surpassed my purchased by over $100

Well did you specifically buy your parts with MIR's or that were on sale at the time? That could also be a major reason the price is now higher

[Lady Fitzgerald]

I can't help but wonder how much of the price increases I have seen are due to the tariffs and how much is due manufacturers and/or vendors using them as an excuse to jack up the prices even further.

[DVA]

3 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

Well did you specifically buy your parts with MIR's or that were on sale at the time? That could also be a major reason the price is now higher

A few were on sale, sure. But there are always sales going on. MIR's included. 

 

I see currently the i7 8700k  is $400+ and the one on Amazon sold out (priced $380)

The 1080ti I own was going for $689 when I was looking and now it seems to be $800 at the lowest (new) and over $1k new on Amazon. 

 

Unless this is just simply due to the 2000 series not being so well so the 10 series cards are massively being bought out?

[PlayStation 2]

I know there's people straight-up avoiding the 2080 and 2080 Ti and just getting the 1080 Tis for cheap, so that could be part of it.

I doubt a lot of it is down to the tariffs, and it likely won't be on the desktop scene for a decent bit of time.

[TVwazhere]

1 minute ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

I can't help but wonder how much of the price increases I have seen are due to the tariffs and how much is due manufacturers and/or vendors using them as an excuse to jack up the prices even further.

 

[TheKDub]

3 minutes ago, DVA said:

A few were on sale, sure. But there are always sales going on. MIR's included. 

 

I see currently the i7 8700k  is $400+ and the one on Amazon sold out (priced $380)

The 1080ti I own was going for $689 when I was looking and now it seems to be $800 at the lowest (new) and over $1k new on Amazon. 

 

Unless this is just simply due to the 2000 series not being so well so the 10 series cards are massively being bought out?

i7 8700K does seem to have gone up a bit.

 

I bought mine for $300 from Microcenter about two months ago. It's up to $330 now.

[Electronics Wizardy]

3 minutes ago, DVA said:

I see currently the i7 8700k  is $400+ and the one on Amazon sold out (priced $380)

Thats probably due to intels 14mm shortage. I don't think intel even has a cpu fab in china.

[DVA]

1 minute ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

I know there's people straight-up avoiding the 2080 and 2080 Ti and just getting the 1080 Tis for cheap, so that could be part of it.

I doubt a lot of it is down to the tariffs, and it likely won't be on the desktop scene for a decent bit of time.

Prices for 1080ti's are now just as high, and in some cases higher than the 2080. I think some people are freaking out somewhere and buying a lot of stock.

 

2 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

 

I actually watched this video last night so it made me want to post this to have a discussion within the community here. 

 

thanks for linking it. 

[aezakmi]

people in the US when a component is 5% more expensive

 

me seeing a 2080Ti sell for $4000

 

 

every component is like 250% more expensive than in the US and goin up

[ThePD]

Honestly, I think tariffs are doing little to the PC component business and companies are likely using it as a scapegoat to rise prices. The only exception here I believe would be case builders due to the tariffs on steel/aluminum.

[DVA]

3 minutes ago, TheKDub said:

i7 8700K does seem to have gone up a bit.

 

I bought mine for $300 from Microcenter about two months ago. It's up to $330 now.

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/#s=13

 

Though PcPartPicker isn't the end all of sources for component prices. It is pretty good. An i7 8700k for $330 is still a great deal if you can find that. 

2 minutes ago, aezakmi said:

people in the US when a component is 5% more expensive

 

me seeing a 2080Ti sell for $4000

 

 

every component is like 250% more expensive than in the US and goin up

for 4k?? WHAT? Where do you live lol

[TVwazhere]

1 minute ago, aezakmi said:

people in the US when a component is 5% more expensive

 

 

me seeing a 2080Ti sell for $4000

 

 

every component is like 250% more expensive than in the US and goin up

Me seeing spongebob screenshots as reactions

[Teddy07]

9 minutes ago, DVA said:

So...how do you guys feel the China tariff is going?

 

I think it is a good idea to protect domestic industry from foreign companies. I remember that Chinas cheap photovoltaic systems totally destroyed our German photovoltaic companies to the point where there isn´t a company left. Our companies were leading until the market was flooded with cheap products

[Tristerin]

14 minutes ago, DVA said:

So...how do you guys feel the China tariff is going?

 

I personally have noticed a lot of prices going up in price lately and going out of stock. 

 

The main things I have noticed that have slightly risen or are constantly going out of stock:

 

-CPU's

-GPU's

-Cases

 

I don't think I've paid much attention to other hardware but I know Trump put the tariff on China which puts the average price up due to recouping losses and trying to stabilize prices with other countries. 

 

What are your guys' thoughts on tihs?

 

Personally I bring this up because I just built my PC, I left it on PCpartpicker. One as the prices I purchased them for, and one as the current prices. The current prices already surpassed my purchased by over $100

 

Its opposite in benefiting the American people.

 

Prior to taxes, how did things pay for themselves?  Tariffs (and a couple other items)  Technically this should work in our favor - because once the Tariffs are imposed the selling Country has to pay a ton to sell here, direct to our Government.  Prior to 1913, this kept us from paying income tax (basically, do your own research Im time bound atm) and we had more expendable income due to no taxation to spend on these items so the increase in the cost of goods incoming from other countries was VASTLY offset by you having more money in your pocket.

 

Difference here?  Governments keeping the monies on Tariffs, which is driving costs, while not level loading the taxes (because why would they do that.)

[ThePD]

1 minute ago, Teddy07 said:

I think it is a good idea to protect domestic industry from foreign companies. I remember that Chinas cheap photovoltaic systems totally destroyed our German photovoltaic companies to the point where there isn´t a company left. Our companies were leading until the market was flooded with cheap products

I second this opinion as I work in manufacturing in the US. China has been known to purposely devalue its currency to be more competitive in production costs with other countries.

[DVA]

1 minute ago, Teddy07 said:

I think it is a good idea to protect domestic industry from foreign companies. I remember that Chinas cheap photovoltaic systems totally destroyed our German photovoltaic companies to the point where there isn´t a company left. Our companies were leading until the market was flooded with cheap products

I have felt the "cheap" Chinese products were a bit infiltrating on the American market, not to mention the environment and future betterment of the world..

 

Maybe some restriction is good. Even if we do have to pay a higher price for a better product that isn't MASSIVELY produced to the extent of China's level. 

[ThePD]

Just now, DVA said:

I have felt the "cheap" Chinese products were a bit infiltrating on the American market, not to mention the environment and future betterment of the world..

The environmental part I think is key. China has far less regulation when it comes to pollution in its mining/power/manufacturing industries. Some places in China are so devastating to the environment that they had a river clog with dead fish as a result of the pollution within the rivers from the industrial runoff.

American companies even under the Trump administration are held to a higher standard which can increase costs as they are required to put in environmental safeguards.

[DVA]

On 10/3/2018 at 3:42 PM, ThePD said:

I second this opinion as I work in manufacturing in the US. China has been known to purposely devalue its currency to be more competitive in production costs with other countries.

Extremely true! As to where if you search for the American dollar, is has been steadily rising for a while, with some dips of course. It wouldn't be a market without fluctuation. 

 

I hope chaos doesn't ensue as prices continue to fluctuate up and down. 

 

I also hope China will start to better their own country rather than relying on mass selling to others. Though that won't be any time soon....

 

I still want to know where this guy lives that has people selling 2080ti's for 4k

[ThePD]

3 minutes ago, DVA said:

I still want to know where this guy lives that has people selling 2080ti's for 4k

I would love to know how much a 2080ti costs in Venezuela... being that their money is worth less than gold from World of Warcraft, and that was months ago....

[DVA]

1 minute ago, ThePD said:

I would love to know how much a 2080ti costs in Venezuela... being that their money is worth less than gold from World of Warcraft, and that was months ago....

So the whole Venezuelan farmer memes were real?

 

Regarding to the fact that people have very successful jobs selling gold/money from multiple MMO's

[ThePD]

4 minutes ago, DVA said:

So the whole Venezuelan farmer memes were real?

 

Regarding to the fact that people have very successful jobs selling gold/money from multiple MMO's

Yes. People playing World of Warcraft were able to spend 1 hour farming gold, and could sell it for 15-20 Euro's depending on which server you were on. The exchange rate basically made them millionaires in a hour, but being a millionaire in Venezuela just meant you could afford maybe 1 Hershey chocolate bar. The price right now is 'fixed' as venezuela dropped of 4 significant digits from their currency.

[DVA]

1 minute ago, ThePD said:

Yes. People playing World of Warcraft were able to spend 1 hour farming gold, and could sell it for 15-20 Euro's depending on which server you were on. The exchange rate basically made them millionaires in a hour, but being a millionaire in Venezuela just meant you could afford maybe 1 Hershey chocolate bar. The price right now is 'fixed' as venezuela dropped of 4 significant digits from their currency.

That is rough... I couldn't imagine. Welp, I suppose we are off topic now. Oh well, thanks for the chat.

[SansVarnic]

@DVA, I changed your title to better reflect the nature of your discussion.

Just to note for accuracy; Trump did not place the tariff on China, Congress did and President Trump signed off on it.

 

 

Also lets remember that political discussion is not allowed so lets stay on topic or comments and replies will removed or this thread could be locked.

[DVA]

13 minutes ago, SansVarnic said:

@DVA, I changed your title to better reflect the nature of your discussion.

Just to note for accuracy; Trump did not place the tariff on China, Congress did and President Trump signed off on it.

 

 

Also lets remember that political discussion is not allowed so lets stay on topic or comments and replies will removed or this thread could be locked.

gotcha. 

 

i know, the president is only a figure head but hey, this is what it's nationally and internationally known as. 

I had not known about the non-political rule, but thank you for informing about it now.