Car Enthusiast Club [Now Motorcycle friendly!] - First thread to 150k! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[RevoltTrain]

It annoys the heck out of me too, but at this point it's so ingrained in north american car culture that it's hard to correct it.

 

Have an 88 for your time. The dyno chart above belongs to this car.

 

Glad to see someone else understands. Yes they're similar. But not the same.

 

And oh god. I NEED IT

[RevoltTrain]

So, these are the wheels I'm looking at for the 240SX. Opinions on them?

 

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/findWheelDetail.do?c=5&rcz=80033&rc=CODINT&dVeh=dVeh&bp=&fl=&tc=DRAD44&yr=1994&pc=13898&wd=15&rw=&vid=006374

[MEC-777]

Hachi hachi hachi.

 

-snip-

 

Always had a thing for these (Corollas as they're called here) and the fact that some people here swap FA motors makes it an enticing ownership experience. In fact, I saw a 900hp F22A '86 not too long ago.

 

Funny how an old economy car developed such a huge following by enthusiasts. They are and always will be one of my favorites.

 

If only they weren't so hard to find here in Ontario... 

[MEC-777]

So, these are the wheels I'm looking at for the 240SX. Opinions on them?

 

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/findWheelDetail.do?c=5&rcz=80033&rc=CODINT&dVeh=dVeh&bp=&fl=&tc=DRAD44&yr=1994&pc=13898&wd=15&rw=&vid=006374

 

Very nice! I like em.

[vetali]

I don't remember ever uploading this:

 

 

It annoys the heck out of me too, but at this point it's so ingrained in north american car culture that it's hard to correct it.

 

Have an 88 for your time. The dyno chart above belongs to this car.

 

 

That body kit ruins the car. 

[chaozbandit]

So, these are the wheels I'm looking at for the 240SX. Opinions on them?

 

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/findWheelDetail.do?c=5&rcz=80033&rc=CODINT&dVeh=dVeh&bp=&fl=&tc=DRAD44&yr=1994&pc=13898&wd=15&rw=&vid=006374

 

Not a huge fan of the spoke design but $100/wheel seems to be the norm for 15x7s. Don't know what the quality on Drag wheels is like but Enkei EDR9s are just a tad more if you needed options. Personally I'd like an OZ wheel but those are $$$.

 

Funny how an old economy car developed such a huge following by enthusiasts. They are and always will be one of my favorites.

 

If only they weren't so hard to find here in Ontario... 

 

On par with trying to find a S13 that hasn`t been abused, but they retain value a tad better because it's a GTS I've fallen for the first gen legacy as of late... especially with fender flares, a wing, and wider wheels. Hmmmm.

[RevoltTrain]

Very nice! I like em.

Thanks!

 

Not a huge fan of the spoke design but $100/wheel seems to be the norm for 15x7s. Don't know what the quality on Drag wheels is like but Enkei EDR9s are just a tad more if you needed options. Personally I'd like an OZ wheel but those are $$$.

 

 

On par with trying to find a S13 that hasn`t been abused, but they retain value a tad better because it's a GTS I've fallen for the first gen legacy as of late... especially with fender flares, a wing, and wider wheels. Hmmmm.

I've found a few that are bone stock for under $3K.

 

I like the spoke pattern and the deep-ish dish they have to them.

 

Plus I want to do chrome rims instead of the normal black out rims most people do anymore.

[bcredeur97]

Yeah, I wasn't talking about valve/cam timing. Just about every engine today has that. I was talking about variable valve lift. Not many engines have this.

yeah the L in VVTL-i in the 2zz-ge is what made it special lol

 

 

but I think pretty much every engine has variable timing these days. my corolla does, my dads G35 does, our suburban does, my grandmas CR-V does, etc. etc.

[SLPNTIM]

There aren't any in my area, but there are constantly some in good shape around 5 hours away. Willing to make the drive. It's a dream car of mine. No where near as crazy as what my family does for their cars.

They fly all the way down to California sometimes and drive the car back here to Northern Indiana

I've heard that cars in California cost more for some reason. Also it will most likely have the California emission laws applied to it. Meaning that a catalytic converter will cost around a 1000 dollars

So, thanks to my shtty internet provided by my dad's hotspot since the internet went down in my house, i couldn't see any pictures or read many pages. what did i miss?

[MEC-777]

yeah the L in VVTL-i in the 2zz-ge is what made it special lol

 

 

but I think pretty much every engine has variable timing these days. my corolla does, my dads G35 does, our suburban does, my grandmas CR-V does, etc. etc.

 

Friend of mine had a Toyota Matrix XRS with the 2zz engine with VVTL-i. Basically the same as VTEC, just a different implementation of it. Despite that engine making a bit more power, he never did beat my B16A2 powered civic on the drag strip. I chalk that up to the horrible cable-shifted 6-speed transmission in the Matrix XRS though. 

 

But yeah, like I mentioned before, pretty much every engine now-a-days has variable valve timing on both cams, yet still very few have variable lift like VTEC and VVTL-i. What I've seen becoming more common as a lower-cost alternative with similar effect is variable intake geometry - where the intake manifold has variable length intake runners or "butterflies" that change the dynamics of the intake manifold. Honda was one of the first to implement this on the 92 Integra GSR (B17) along with DOHC VTEC. And before that, Toyota had a similar system on some of their engines (4A and 7M series, to name two) called T-VIS (Toyota Variable Induction System).

 

Variable valve timing is simply variable duration (how long the valves are open for and at what time). Valve lift is how far the valve opens. Having it open less is better for lower rpm response and efficiency, where as having them open more is better for higher rpm performance. Variable valve timing can only do so much before more lift is needed to extract more performance at higher rpms.

[vetali]

Friend of mine had a Toyota Matrix XRS with the 2zz engine with VVTL-i. Basically the same as VTEC, just a different implementation of it. Despite that engine making a bit more power, he never did beat my B16A2 powered civic on the drag strip. I chalk that up to the horrible cable-shifted 6-speed transmission in the Matrix XRS though. 

 

But yeah, like I mentioned before, pretty much every engine now-a-days has variable valve timing on both cams, yet still very few have variable lift like VTEC and VVTL-i. What I've seen becoming more common as a lower-cost alternative with similar effect is variable intake geometry - where the intake manifold has variable length intake runners or "butterflies" that change the dynamics of the intake manifold. Honda was one of the first to implement this as well on the 92 Integra GSR (B17) along with DOHC VTEC. 

 

Variable valve timing is simply variable duration (how long the valves are open for and at what time). Valve lift is how far the valve opens. Having it open less is better for lower rpm response and efficiency, where as having them open more is better for higher rpm performance. Variable valve timing can only do so much before more lift is needed to extract more performance at higher rpms. 

Chevy experimented with variable intake runners around that year too. 

 

 

They dropped it after a few years though. 

[SleathX1]

Actually Ferrari does, it's just not called "VTEC" in their engines.

 

VTEC (Variable valve Timing Electronic Control) - as Honda calls it, refers to the variable valve lift mechanism which basically changes from a mild/economic cam lobe profile to a larger/performance cam lobe profile at a set rpm point as the engine climbs through it's rev range. This broadens the torque band and optimizes performance across the rpm range. Ferrari implements their own variable valve lift mechanism(s)/technology in most or all of their engines (the 458 for sure). So in essence, yes, Ferrari does have VTEC aka variable valve lift.

 

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That's also why I said to read it in Moog's voice. Marty would then say... basically what you just said.

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[warmmilk]

I've heard that cars in California cost more for some reason. Also it will most likely have the California emission laws applied to it. Meaning that a catalytic converter will cost around a 1000 dollars

 

this is really outdated news.  it used to be the case, but manufacturer's just started making all US bound cars to cali's standard.  main reason being lots of other states adopted the same standards, just that cali is most nazi about it.  

 

if a car costs more in cali now its strictly dealer markup.  if the dealer tries to sell you the emissions line he's flat out lying

[warmmilk]

Actually Ferrari does, it's just not called "VTEC" in their engines.

 

VTEC (Variable valve Timing Electronic Control) - as Honda calls it, refers to the variable valve lift mechanism which basically changes from a mild/economic cam lobe profile to a larger/performance cam lobe profile at a set rpm point as the engine climbs through it's rev range. This broadens the torque band and optimizes performance across the rpm range. Ferrari implements their own variable valve lift mechanism(s)/technology in most or all of their engines (the 458 for sure). So in essence, yes, Ferrari does have VTEC aka variable valve lift.

 

 

 

actually this is false.  I don't know about every ferrari ever, but the 458 does not have variable lift.  it has variable valve timing (think more like bmw's vanos) and a variable intake manifold, but lift is fixed.  so no vtak like system on the 458

[RevoltTrain]

NEW MCM EPISODE!!!

PS sorry if it has been posted already ... im slow

It was already posted. But it's all good

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It was already posted. But it's all good

dammit .. i hate being busy and .... *cough* skipping some of the posts*cough*

[MEC-777]

actually this is false.  I don't know about every ferrari ever, but the 458 does not have variable lift.  it has variable valve timing (think more like bmw's vanos) and a variable intake manifold, but lift is fixed.  so no vtak like system on the 458

 

I find that surprising, to be honest. I thought for sure it would, but I guess I was wrong.  

[SLPNTIM]

this is really outdated news. it used to be the case, but manufacturer's just started making all US bound cars to cali's standard. main reason being lots of other states adopted the same standards, just that cali is most nazi about it.

if a car costs more in cali now its strictly dealer markup. if the dealer tries to sell you the emissions line he's flat out lying

I've noticed that. Just don't like it. But there are many other reasons why prices are higher in California

[bcredeur97]

I've noticed that. Just don't like it. But there are many other reasons why prices are higher in California

taxes....

[SLPNTIM]

taxes....

How much?

[warmmilk]

taxes....

 

ok, almost every state has taxes... and every state has licensing and registration... I'm talking regular prices before all that, the price you pay for the actual car

[bcredeur97]

ok, almost every state has taxes... and every state has licensing and registration... I'm talking regular prices before all that, the price you pay for the actual car

oh. 

 

 

How much?

idk. taxes are usually more in california than everywhere else is all I know

[JoaoPRSousa]

[chaozbandit]

So I just used Invisible Glass for the first time on the Sienna.... oh man, this stuff is good.