Why the lack of properly implemented USB Type-C connectors on cases?

[NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle]

Well just like the title says, why don't we have proper implementations of USB type-C in cases?

I mean if you look at the cases from CES videos that all the tech youtubers posted, almost all of them either don't have type-c or if they do it's clear that they just replaced type A and put a type-C there. It was never designed for type-c.

Now I get that it takes time to design a case and build a prototype and then re-design etc. etc. etc., but type-c was released in like what 2014 or 2015, something like that yet it's clear that only the cases that will be released in late 2018 or 2019 will actually proper implementation of that connector.

So why so late?

[AlTech]

7 minutes ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

Well just like the title says, why don't we have proper implementations of USB type-C in cases?

I mean if you look at the cases from CES videos that all the tech youtubers posted, almost all of them either don't have type-c or if they do it's clear that they just replaced type A and put a type-C there. It was never designed for type-c.

Now I get that it takes time to design a case and build a prototype and then re-design etc. etc. etc., but type-c was released in like what 2014 or 2015, something like that yet it's clear that only the cases that will be released in late 2018 or 2019 will actually proper implementation of that connector.

So why so late?

USB-C support on motherboards on the AMD side took until 2017. Idk about Intel but I think Intel started supporting it on Mobos in like 2016.

 

Before that, there were simply no USB-C micro-controllers in motherboard chipsets.

 

And even in 2017 on the AMD CPU side, USB-C is an afterthought and users only get 1-2 USB-C 3.1 Gen 1 ports and 1-2 USB-C 3.1 Gen 2 ports.

 

Ouch. The motherboard OEMs need to give us a 50/50 split on USB-A and USB-C ports.

 

It doesn't help that Peripheral OEMs for gaming mice and keyboards still don't use USB-C to USB-C for cables.

 

And external HDDs for the most part still use USB-A to Micro-USB 3.0 .

 

Even my OnePlus 3 uses a USB-C to USB-A cable rather than a USB-C to USB-C cable.

 

The industry is just not picking it up as quickly as they should be.

[BryceJonathan]

Yeah at the moment there isnt enough stuff that uses usb-c for it to take priority over type A, maybe in like 5 years everything will be type c but even then it will probably be a 2-2 split of type c and type A on front panels.

[Damascus]

The new lian li O11 has one

[DrMacintosh]

Obligatory post by the Apple shill*

its just a joke pls dont quote me

[Damascus]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Obligatory post by the Apple shill*

its just a joke pls dont quote me

I was actually surprised to find a wealth of tb2 ports on my grandma's imac.  

[Ginger_]

6 minutes ago, Damascus said:

I was actually surprised to find a wealth of tb2 ports on my grandma's imac.  

Apple either does spectacular with io, or they decide you're not using it right if you need to plug anything in so they don't give you any. 

[AlTech]

38 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

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Look at that beautiful port equality. 10/10 2017. No Port Discrimination.

[GoodBytes]

As you probably noticed, on nearly all computer cases, the case hole opening for the USB ports is always larger than the USB port itself, exposing the ugly casing of the port. This is because the USB plug placement can be a a mm to the left, or right, or up or down. And this is due that they get generic parts from China, and not actually make them themselves.

 

 

Look at the picture of the iMac on the previous post, or bellow this paragraph, or look at the Razer laptop, or Dell premium systems, or Surface laptop. You'll notice that USB ports are precision cut, making the device look nicer,  This is because they manufacture everything, so they know the measurements exactly. Heck, Apple and Microsoft goes a step beyond, they dye case the metal enclosure of the USB port matching the system color, just so that you see them less, including the plastic bit inside. Look bellow, you barely see the USB casing, but if you zoom in, and pay close attention, you see it. It is there. It just matches the case color.

 

 

 

The end results, pays off.

 

So basically, until some generic UBS port hub for cases and panels manufacture in China starts putting USB Type-C, you won't have it, as the case manufactures are too cheap (ie: they want to maximize profits. So producing their own, will cost a lot more than getting it from China).

 

You;ll notice, maybe next year, if the these few Chinese manufacture decides to put Type-C, that nearly ALL case manufactures will have, by magic, and in perfect coincidence. This was the same story with USB 3.0. No case manufacture had it (with some exceptions, where some just implemented, what is basically a USB 3.0 extension cord, and not a proper motherboard header), there was devices for it, but nope, still no case with it. Then at one CES, pretty much all came on stage with USB 3.0, like they all talked about implementing it last year, and agreed that they need to put it together for some reason. But that is obviously not the case, they don't talk between each other. The reality, is that the generic USB port modules manufacture that they deal with started to make it, so that they can get it and implement it.

 

This is also why you see the SAME design flaws between cases on most cases. For example, the common design flaw is that the headphone plug at the front of the case has serious interference passing through. The audio is nice from the back, but terrible on the front. Done on the cheap, the Chinese manufacture uses the USB common ground (which is also ground the case) for the ground pin of the headphone plug instead of using a dedicated ground wire that connected to the sound card. You'll see a lot of mods online showing you how to correct the problem (and the mod is identical for almost all cases).

 

And this is why I can't get myself to spend a lot of money on a case... the case manufacture cut corner everywhere. Little to no attention to details. A 200$ case, probably cost 30$ at most. Maybe now 50-60$ as they finally use glass instead of the softest plastic possible for the side panel with window, where just breathing moves the dust particle and scratches the panels... pathetic. They started to use glass because Reviewers got tired and started to mark down cases with panels. Wish they started to do the same with USB ports, especially on the premium cases (budget ones I can understand). I mean you have these wonderful aluminum cases being made these days, but the USB ports sticks up like that picture I showed first on this post. It doesn't fit. Imagine a sweet car you dream to have with all the features you dream to have, but the door handles from shit-old Lada car or whatever, and the price of the car is the same. Yea nice car, but the look is ruined.

 

Spoiler

 

Huh... starting to looks like a Toyota.

 

[andrewmp6]

Its mostly the motherboard side,Like said amd took a while and only the high end boards have a front one,Most of the cheaper boards have just one in the rear.

[Guest]

I imagine it has to do with power delivery expectations.  While anything over 7.5W isn't "required" to be type-C compliant, people expect it to support 15W.  You can provide the 15W by having a SATA plug into the case's port for power, but then it doesn't work in standby.  Even if you had a more elaborate circuit to power the port in standby, most PSUs wouldn't be able to handle it as they typically only have 2 to 2.5A on that rail.

[NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle]

10 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

I imagine it has to do with power delivery expectations.  While anything over 7.5W isn't "required" to be type-C compliant, people expect it to support 15W.  You can provide the 15W by having a SATA plug into the case's port for power, but then it doesn't work in standby.  Even if you had a more elaborate circuit to power the port in standby, most PSUs wouldn't be able to handle it as they typically only have 2 to 2.5A on that rail.

You know I've always wanted to ask you, are you THE JonnyGuru or someone who's using his name?

 

[Salacious B Crum]

What ticks me off is I have a gen 2 port onboard and theres nothing out there to use it with, no aftermarket anything I think I found a lian li type c add on but thats it

[andrewmp6]

8 hours ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

You know I've always wanted to ask you, are you THE JonnyGuru or someone who's using his name?

 

He is him but he no longer runs the website that carries his name

[andrewmp6]

8 hours ago, mrbilky said:

What ticks me off is I have a gen 2 port onboard and theres nothing out there to use it with, no aftermarket anything I think I found a lian li type c add on but thats it

Lian li apaha 330 and 550 both have it,Both of the pc 011 remakes will have it.The be quiet dark pro 900 has it.The fractal define r6 thats coming out has it as a 30 dollar upgrade.And i think a seen a thermaltake case on the ces videos that had it.Its mostly brand new cases that get it.Or see if you can find a add on for a odd drive if your case has one.

[Salacious B Crum]

4 hours ago, andrewmp6 said:

Lian li apaha 330 and 550 both have it,Both of the pc 011 remakes will have it.The be quiet dark pro 900 has it.The fractal define r6 thats coming out has it as a 30 dollar upgrade.And i think a seen a thermaltake case on the ces videos that had it.Its mostly brand new cases that get it.Or see if you can find a add on for a odd drive if your case has one.

That's just it my board has had it for a year now and it is slow to be implemented for options to add on, no cases that I was aware of had it at the time of purchase seems like to board makers and the case people were not communicating

[andrewmp6]

Its just somethings switch over fast like pci express 3.0 and sata 3.But when usb 3.0 came out it was just like the type c today kinda rare and seemed like no one cared to make a case with a front one.At the time i found a case with a front usb 3.0 but was the most ghetto way.The case didn't use a normal usb 3.0 header,It just had a long usb cable inside the case that stuck out the back and you plugged up in the rear of the motherboard lol.But i will say with cell phones and a lot things switching over to the type c things should change soon.Look at be quiet they are the only case with the qi charger built in i know of.A samsung monitor has it in the base now.

[Stefan Payne]

On 13.1.2018 at 6:20 AM, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

Well just like the title says, why don't we have proper implementations of USB type-C in cases?

Because its expensive.

You need a switch for it to work. ANd that costs money.

[andrewmp6]

I forgot this case https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=9SIA66Z6JY5094

[andrewmp6]

And this case https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAD6F6RB6906

[JoostinOnline]

USB type C is only really beneficial if you have Thunderbolt support, and that's more useful on a laptop.