New Ryzen 3 & 5 with Integrated Vega Graphics

[zombienerd]

So, AMD is releasing new Zen-based APUs, but not calling them APUs.  They are calling them  “AMD Ryzen Desktop Processor with Radeon Vega Graphics”.

 

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Though AMD might not use the term APU anymore, that’s what we are looking at today. The Ryzen + Vega processor (single die implementation, to be clear) for desktop solutions will begin shipping February 12 and will bring high-performance integrated graphics to low cost PCs. Fully titled the “AMD Ryzen Desktop Processor with Radeon Vega Graphics”, this new processor will utilize the same AM4 socket and motherboards that have been shipping since March of 2017. Finally, a good use for those display outputs!

 

There is the Ryzen 3 2200G and the Ryzen 5 2400G.  The new R3-2200G packs a slightly higher 3.5ghz over the 1200, as well as 8 CUs (512 stream processors).  The new R5-2400G has a slightly higher 3.6ghz clock over the 1400, as well as 11CUs (704 stream processors).

 

What's amazing is that the new R5 2400G equals a Core i5 8400 with a GTX 1030, all for only $169 vs around $300 for the Intel + Nvidia solution..  This will be an AMAZING boon for low end gamers.

 

https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/CES-2018-AMD-Ryzen-Desktop-CPU-Vega-Graphics-Coming-Feb-12

 

 

[GDRRiley]

need a quote and opinion. 

 

[Drak3]

Well, they technically aren't APUs. They're CPU+iGPU, and that's it. Whereas true APUs are designed to leverage the iGP beyond conventional iGP tasks, and accelerate the system itself by having the OS offload any basic tasks to the iGP that it has instruction sets for and doesn't benefit from the individually stronger CPU cores.

[zombienerd]

4 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

need a quote and opinion. 

 

Added a quote, but my opinion still stands (as it was originally) that this will be a great kick for low-end gamers.

[GDRRiley]

1 minute ago, zombienerd said:

Added a quote, but my opinion still stands (as it was originally) that this will be a great kick for low-end gamers.

I saw it but it wasn't very clear if it was something you grabbed from the source or your opinion. 

[Skanky Sylveon]

These will be great for budget gaming desktops,

 

Also, laptops with these "APUs" will probably have somewhat decent battery life as well.  Since CPU's with integrated graphics usually drain the battery less then a CPU+GPU.

 

And since these "APUs" have the graphical horsepower similar to a 1030, these will be great for budget laptops that you can still game on.

[captain_to_fire]

22 minutes ago, zombienerd said:

What's amazing is that the new R5 2400G equals a Core i5 8400 with a GTX 1030, all for only $169 vs around $300 for the Intel + Nvidia solution..  This will be an AMAZING boon for low end gamers.

Good for ITX cases

[Energycore]

20 minutes ago, zombienerd said:

What's amazing is that the new R5 2400G equals a Core i5 8400 with a GTX 1030, all for only $169 vs around $300 for the Intel + Nvidia solution.. 

*According to AMD's marketing. Don't use that slide as fact.

 

Just now, hey_yo_ said:

Good for ITX cases

I was exactly thinking this. One of those really small silverstone HTPCs, a 300W SFX PSU from Seasonic and 8GB RAM = gaming on the go (wherever there's a monitor or TV).

[Skanky Sylveon]

1 minute ago, hey_yo_ said:

Good for ITX cases

Needs more ITX motherboards.

[captain_to_fire]

Just now, Cinnabar Sonar said:

Needs more ITX motherboards.

Yeah. I don't think at the moment there are enough AM4 ITX motherboards unlike Intel with many choices for LGA 1151 ITX mobos.

2 minutes ago, Energycore said:

*According to AMD's marketing. Don't use that slide as fact.

Someone can use an i5-8400 with a cheaper graphics card that's cheaper than the 1030. But there's no doubt that the Ryzen 5 2400G is a very good bargain.

[Energycore]

Just now, hey_yo_ said:

Someone can use an i5-8400 with a cheaper graphics card that's cheaper than the 1030. But there's no doubt that the Ryzen 5 2400G is a very good bargain.

I agree but I won't recommend it to someone before reviews are out, as usual.

 

I think now is the time when we'll see those A300/X300 chipsets come into play. Just need manufacturers to get on dat shit.

[WereCat]

6 minutes ago, hey_yo_ said:

Good for ITX cases

I can basically sell the GT 1030 and R3 1200 and just swap it for this "APU" instead in my media PC. That would leave a room for another 3.5" HDD which would be excellent.

 

5 minutes ago, Energycore said:

I was exactly thinking this. One of those really small silverstone HTPCs, a 300W SFX PSU from Seasonic and 8GB RAM = gaming on the go (wherever there's a monitor or TV).

Like the Silverstone ML08

 

[NumLock21]

 

From Paul's Hardware

edit: I see the slide is in the source.

[GDRRiley]

25 minutes ago, Energycore said:

*According to AMD's marketing. Don't use that slide as fact.

 

I was exactly thinking this. One of those really small silverstone HTPCs, a 300W SFX PSU from Seasonic and 8GB RAM = gaming on the go (wherever there's a monitor or TV).

na this would be the case. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QqtCmG/antec-case-isk110vesa

[Energycore]

Just now, WereCat said:

I can basically sell the GT 1030 and R3 1200 and just swap it for this "APU" instead in my media PC. That would leave a room for another 3.5" HDD which would be excellent.

 

Like the Silverstone ML08

 

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Exactly like that, but for me the relevant picture is the ML08 inside a backpack rather than in the living room

[Energycore]

Just now, GDRRiley said:

na this would be the case. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QqtCmG/antec-case-isk110vesa

Nice that one's really small. Wondering if the 90W PSU is enough though - you might need to use one of the low power SKUs

[GDRRiley]

Just now, Energycore said:

Nice that one's really small. Wondering if the 90W PSU is enough though - you might need to use one of the low power SKUs

true you you could get a 150w adapter for it. 

[Skanky Sylveon]

20 minutes ago, hey_yo_ said:

Yeah. I don't think at the moment there are enough AM4 ITX motherboards unlike Intel with many choices for LGA 1151 ITX mobos.

Hopefully, these "APUs" will help change that.

 

I didn't realize that ASUS finally made one.  Looks pretty nice.

21 minutes ago, Energycore said:

I agree but I won't recommend it to someone before reviews are out, as usual.

 

I think now is the time when we'll see those A300/X300 chipsets come into play. Just need manufacturers to get on dat shit.

I agree, especially since AMD has a history of blowing smoke up people's asses.

Ryzen, so far hasn't really been disappointing though.

[Deli]

3 hours ago, GDRRiley said:

true you you could get a 150w adapter for it. 

Another choice is In-Win Chopin. It already comes with a 150w 80+ bronze PSU.

 

https://www.in-win.com/en/gaming-chassis/Chopin

[The Benjamins]

The interesting thing about the 2 Desktop APUs is that they do not have one for the R7 line which means they could make a high end APU with a MCM design for the R7 product line.

 

Also we are seeing a 0.4 GHz bump in same model category, 2200G vs 1200 and 2400G vs 1400, I hope this is the bump we see across the board for the 2xxx parts.

[michaelocarroll007]

Value Wise the $99 One seems Great.  $169 Is good

9 hours ago, Cinnabar Sonar said:

Hopefully, these "APUs" will help change that.

 

 

I didn't realize that ASUS finally made one.  Looks pretty nice.

I agree, especially since AMD has a history of blowing smoke up people's asses.

Ryzen, so far hasn't really been disappointing though.

 

Yeah the Whole Ryzen Line up has done Pretty well IMO

But then there GPU sector reminds you they still do a lot of smoke. Vega was pretty bad and they still hyped it.  

In there small defense  i didn't think they had the budget to Do great CPUs and great GPUs at the same time / Same year anyhow but its somewhat Sad.

 

These Chips seem again to be pretty Good and have there own spot in the market place and will be around the head of the pack if not the head in its price to perf. 

[Taf the Ghost]

56 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

The interesting thing about the 2 Desktop APUs is that they do not have one for the R7 line which means they could make a high end APU with a MCM design for the R7 product line.

 

Also we are seeing a 0.4 GHz bump in same model category, 2200G vs 1200 and 2400G vs 1400, I hope this is the bump we see across the board for the 2xxx parts.

It appears that the G models are replacing the non-X 4c parts for the Ryzen line up. Kind of a fascinating way to bin the Mobile parts.

 

The Raven Ridge die (1 CCX + 1 GPU) could make a fascinatingly interesting TR or Epyc die, though I've got zero idea what you'd do with it. IF-based mGPU is already probably a massive headache for AMD right now with Navi, and that's not out for another year at least.

[Doobeedoo]

These really are amazing additions to the lineup, great price for it. Can really build a lovely little machine with it.

[Taf the Ghost]

4 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

These really are amazing additions to the lineup, great price for it. Can really build a lovely little machine with it.

If DDR4 prices ever settle back down, it'll be great, haha.

 

While I understand why AMD was so late with the APUs, the logic of them really does work well, especially in SFF builds.

[Doobeedoo]

12 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

If DDR4 prices ever settle back down, it'll be great, haha.

 

While I understand why AMD was so late with the APUs, the logic of them really does work well, especially in SFF builds.

Yeah would be great to see RAM price cut in half.