Finally Someone Decided To Do Something About Miners

[TetraSky]

This is just in order to sell those dedicated "mining" cards, they obviously want a piece of that pie themselves after all, so they are going to be like "stop buying these cheap consumer oriented GPUs and get our more expensive mining cards that are designed and made, for mining".

 

Honestly, I dislike miners, due to them buying everything and causing price inflation, I still cannot buy a new computer(well I could, if I wanted to use onboard or my old GPU that doesn't support freesync for my freesync monitor...).

They also are costing companies money through RMA due to early failures caused by 24/7 100% load(even if you are gaming, it will not stay at 100% the entire time).

But they are also buying the cards, so while the RMA are "through the roof", the profits should also be quite high for them, regardless of who buys them. They can always just repair those faulty cards and send a refurb unit to the miners as well.

[suicidalfranco]

3 minutes ago, Armakar said:

aalso, rooting inflates phone prices to double? don't think so

and mining =/= inflating prices, higher demand = inflating prices

[Armakar]

Just now, Captain Chaos said:

Then what would you use for 1440?  A 1070?  That isn't going to cut it if you want to play any demanding game on high or ultra.  A 1070 struggles to give 75fps in GTA5 on ultra even in 1080p, nevermind almost doubling the pixel count by trying 1440.

I use a 1070 for 1080p and VR, perfect card for me. At the minute, it's £50 more expensive USED than when I bought it new ...... a year ago. A 1060 doesn't cut it for 1080p and VR for me.

[The Benjamins]

3 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

Ive seen multiple people on the forums who are light miners buying 7 or 8 RX 480s/1060s. Unless you have a lot of money most of us cant afford to buy that.

Being a miner means anyone who does it, be it 1 GPU in you main PC during off hours or a wall full (50+ GPU's)

 

I consider myself a miner (in the past) and all I did was use my 290x years ago.

[Clanscorpia]

3 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Anecdotal evidence is not a valid citation.

Youre not going to get a valid citation. You know exactly what Im talking about, you just dont want to admit it.

[cesrai]

11 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Because RMA rates are now through the damn roof and cos AMD and Nvidia want repeat loyal customers to get their hands on GPUs.

 

Source please.

[The Benjamins]

Just now, Armakar said:

I use a 1070 for 1080p and VR, perfect card for me. At the minute, it's £50 more expensive USED than when I bought it new ...... a year ago. A 1060 doesn't cut it for 1080p and VR for me.

I am soon going to be in the market for a $300-$400 card but my options kinda suck right now.

[pas008]

5 minutes ago, Armakar said:

"soft mod" / rooting and literally destroying the device in months then sending it back for repair knowing it would be destroyed in the first place.

 

aalso, rooting inflates phone prices to double? don't think so

doesnt matter

its none of your fucking business what another customer does with their graphics cards

even it it a plot to destroy the world

unless you are government agency but that is whole different category

[Clanscorpia]

Just now, The Benjamins said:

Being a miner means anyone who does it, be it 1 GPU in you main PC during off hours or a wall full (50+ GPU's)

 

I consider myself a miner (in the past) and all I did was use my 290x years ago.

My definitions would be for Ether mining because thats what most people do now, 6-10 GPUs would be a light full time miner, 10-20 would be a medium full time miner, 20-40 high full time miner, and 40+ extreme full time miner

 

[PlayStation 2]

When I said this was like politics, I fucking meant it. These arguments are very very reminiscent of how political threads used to roll here.

[AlTech]

Just now, cesrai said:

Source please.

This is 2nd hand information from a few sources.

[Clanscorpia]

Just now, Dan Castellaneta said:

When I said this was like politics, I fucking meant it. These arguments are very very reminiscent of how political threads used to roll here.

All the "citation please" lmao. I agree

[Misanthrope]

2 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

Youre not going to get a valid citation. You know exactly what Im talking about, you just dont want to admit it.

I know exactly what you're talking about and I also know that your opinion is based on observing some sales numbers vs people who have commented the opposite point when talking to industry reps on the issue stating that they much rather have loyal customers than miners.

 

Sorry but if we're going to talk about non proper observations and conjecture based opinions, I have nothing to go on but appeals to authority and established tech youtubers that we know have contact with actual industry reps carry much more weight than random guy on the internet asserting things as true cause "he's seen people doing x"

[Sauron]

So... trying to make money through mining is a waste of power, but using that power to play inconsequential videogames somehow is not?

[pas008]

6 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

and mining =/= inflating prices, higher demand = inflating prices

this by far

supply and demand

blame amd and nvidia with the aib partners for not keeping up

[The Benjamins]

1 minute ago, Clanscorpia said:

My definitions would be for Ether mining because thats what most people do now, 6-10 GPUs would be a light full time miner, 10-20 would be a medium full time miner, 20-40 high full time miner, and 40+ extreme full time miner

 

but you are assuming all miners do that, and you are wrong, their are also a lot of 1-2 card miners. and most miners scaled their investment.

first use 1 GPU use the money to get another, then 2 more, then a extra rig. If I would of scaled my invest of my gaming card I could easily have 10+ now for a basically free investment.

[mynameisjuan]

11 minutes ago, pas008 said:

thats the nature of the beast

and its not wasting power its converting it into cash

cash to power a tool, to create some worth value

 

 

both you guys sound like you dont understand that these are tools

 

you arent entitled to everything

How does wanting to buy a GPU for content creation or gaming mean I am entitled? You know the two things that desktop and workstation cards are designed FROM THE GROUND UP TO DO?

 

But yet saying I am going to use my card 100% for 6 months before it dies from heat and now request the manufacturer to replace it for free when a person using it for gaming and content will last them 3-4 years easily is not entitled? 

 

I want to play games and he wants to render to support his job, yet you want to click two buttons and walk away and then demand they replace your equipment so you can make money by literally doing nothing....hah and you say we are entitled. 

[Castdeath97]

7 minutes ago, Captain Chaos said:

Then what would you use for 1440p?  A 1070?  That isn't going to cut it if you want to play any demanding game on high or ultra.  A 1070 struggles to give 75fps in GTA5 on ultra even in 1080p, nevermind almost doubling the pixel count by trying 1440.

GTA would get a lot more frames if you turn down MSAA. High setting are more than adequate in most games.

[Armakar]

4 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

I am soon going to be in the market for a $300-$400 card but my options kinda suck right now.

Exactly. Your options are:

 

Wait until the mining craze stops (who knows when that will be)

Buy a very, very overpriced RX580/GTX 1060 (if you can even find one)

Wait longer

Buy a $200 card that won't cut it at all

Wait until CPUs are fast enough to have IGPUs that can max out 16K triple A titles

Quit gaming forever

Wait

 

 

trash options.. fuck the miners

 

[Princess Luna]

Just now, Sauron said:

So... trying to make money through mining is a waste of power, but using that power to play inconsequential videogames somehow is not?

Of course not, you're entitled to entertainment as that is partially the goal of life, while mining is nothing but do constant pointless math for no gain but fake money that somehow is worth actual money now because people are somewhat crazy

 

Either ways, I think mining is stupid yes, but the whole idea of breaking people's performance on purpose to prevent mining workloads is insane unfair and idiotic at least, it is not the miners fault that AMD and nVidia sucks to keep up with stocks, PC gaming also was never meant to be "cheap" if you can't afford a graphics card buy a console instead of QQ'ing about prices 24/7 blaming other people on a forum.

[pas008]

Just now, mynameisjuan said:

How does wanting to buy a GPU for content creation or gaming mean I am entitled? You know the two things that desktop and workstation cards are designed FROM THE GROUND UP TO DO?

 

But yet saying I am going to use my card 100% for 6 months before it dies from heat and now request the manufacturer to replace it for free when a person using it for gaming and content will last them 3-4 years easily is not entitled? 

 

I want to play games and he wants to render to support his job, yet you want to click two buttons and walk away and then demand they replace your equipment so you can make money by literally doing nothing....hah and you say we are entitled. 

doesnt matter its none of your business what anyone does with THEIR CARD

[mynameisjuan]

1 minute ago, pas008 said:

this by far

supply and demand

blame amd and nvidia with the aib partners for not keeping up

Id love to see you be head of AMD and Nvidia so you can "just manufacture more" as if its easy as 1,2,3. 

[Clanscorpia]

1 minute ago, The Benjamins said:

but you are assuming all miners do that, and you are wrong, their are also a lot of 1-2 card miners. and most miners scaled their investment.

first use 1 GPU use the money to get another, then 2 more, then a extra rig. If I would of scaled my invest of my gaming card I could easily have 10+ now for a basically free investment.

Im pretty sure most people are pissed off at the miners that are buying tons of GPUs, not the people who are using their card or 2 to make some spare cash. 

 

3 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

I know exactly what you're talking about and I also know that your opinion is based on observing some sales numbers vs people who have commented the opposite point when talking to industry reps on the issue stating that they much rather have loyal customers than miners.

 

Sorry but if we're going to talk about non proper observations and conjecture based opinions, I have nothing to go on but appeals to authority and established tech youtubers that we know have contact with actual industry reps carry much more weight than random guy on the internet asserting things as true cause "he's seen people doing x"

Thats a good point, Ill take that into consideration.

[Prysin]

37 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

You know, Nvidia/AMD and graphics card manufacture can just all boost manufacturing allowing both gamer and miners to get their cards. Why would one say no to money?

Won't work. Miners will keep buying cards as they get cheaper. As more cards mine it gets harder to earn money, so you need more cards than the other miners. 

 

It is a self amplified issue. The only way to "fix" it is to make sure that the cards cannot run these algorithms without a driver, and forcefully make sure that consumer cards cannot be used with mining bioses. 

 

As for people trying to work around this. Add a monitor to the driver that checks for extremely repetitive algorithms ran over a prolonged period of time and have the driver to write a "mining suspect" value onto a special ROM cache in the silicon itself. 

[The Benjamins]

For this to really be solved is for ASICs to come out for all these different types of mining or changing the cryptocurrencies to use a different mining model like POS