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So Inno3D has finally decided to do something about these damn miners who do nothing but waste power and stealing our gaming cards.

Inno3D's solution while it's not really going to change things, at least it's something. Maybe this is a wake up call for AMD and Nvidia to have drivers that detect when someone is mining on their cards and brick them instantly. Yeah I know it's way too much, but something has to be done about these miners. And yes obviously I know AMD and Nvidia only care about people buying their cards, not what people do with them. But once again I say, something has to be done about them.

 

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Well, that was bound to happen. Inno3D is the first manufacturer to warn cryptocurrency coin-miners that they are possible voiding the warranty on their cards. See, graphics cards are not design to do full load 24/7/365, and that is exactly what miners are doing.

We're pretty sure that the RMA return rates have gone up ever since the mining hype started. Inno3D is the first to issue a warning. Thing is though, if a card breaks down after all that abuse, how would Inno3D ever figure out that it was used for mining?

 

It brings up the question, what is the lifespan of a graphics card with normal usage? I had this discussion once with folks from Nvidia, and in their believe with pretty hefty daily gaming that would average out roughly at 5 years. At one point the GPU will start leaking. If you place that 5 years into perspective compared to what miner are doing with them, I dunno maybe the cards are bound to die after a year or less? 

So, while this info is not listed at their website, a reddit user recently bought a (GTX1060 6GB Ichill x3 V2), Inno3D is adding a sticker onto that packaging that makes the message clear, as spotted on reddit. I can see other AIB partners following this protocol, I just cannot see how they would validate the fact the card was used for mining.

 

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Source: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/inno3d-warns-that-mining-can-break-warranty-on-their-gpus.html

 

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3 minutes ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

Maybe this is a wake up call for AMD and Nvidia to have drivers that detect when someone is mining on their cards and brick them instantly. Yeah I know it's way too much, but something has to be done about these miners. And yes obviously I know AMD and Nvidia only care about people buying their cards, not what people do with them. But once again I say, something has to be done about them.

It's really not that simple.

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1 minute ago, Lurick said:

Tell the difference between mining, folding at home, and other applications. Then tell my why I should be punished for using a card I bought and should have software that can arbitrarily decide that I've done something a company doesn't like. Maybe the next step is they burn your System ID into the card and if you try to sell it then it won't work.

And this is why I couldn't care less about miners. You already dropped a shit ton on a GPU, what the fuck is it to ya if one wants to mine on it, do shit involving F@H, etc.?

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1 minute ago, Lurick said:

Tell the difference between mining, folding at home, and other applications. Then tell my why I should be punished for using a card I bought and should have software that can arbitrarily decide that I've done something a company doesn't like. Maybe the next step is they burn your System ID into the card and if you try to sell it then it won't work.

I am sure that it involves asking the question during warranty replacement call: "What were you doing with the graphics card", and if caller says "mining", they get as a response: "Sorry, the warranty doesn't cover graphics cards used for mining. We suggest Quadro or Tesla cards, which are built for heavy stress under heavy load 24/7"

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And why exactly should AMD and Nvidia tell a large majority of buyers/potential buyers to fuck off? 

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i think its just more to discourage miners from buying the card, with out RMA the chance of a graphics card running until it breaks even goes down a little. ooorrr Inno3D is sick of taking the hit from all the RMA abuse from miners

 

i dont really see a way to tell if a gpu has been killed by mining, esspetially if its only like a 1-3 month warrenty

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Honestly, the bitching coming from people whining about miners is even more annoying than the miners themselves.

It's like politics, only that I can't escape this bullshit easily.

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2 minutes ago, Johnnyboyhogg said:

How would they prove a card has been used to mine, they could just use this as a excuse not to honor warranty 

At the end of the day they probably won't enforce this policy -- unless you blatantly say you mined on it. HDD manufacturers will tell you the same thing if you use a desktop drive in a server and admit to it. 

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5 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

You know, Nvidia/AMD and graphics card manufacture can just all boost manufacturing allowing both gamer and miners to get their cards. Why would one say no to money?

Last time when there was the big bitcoin boom when it crashed amd ended up having to write down some money because of too much stock that can't sell.

 

Plus it's worth noting that it's possible that they're already at the absolute limits of how much stock can be made.

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Just now, djdwosk97 said:

At the end of the day they probably won't enforce this policy -- unless you blatantly say you mined on it. HDD manufacturers will tell you the same thing if you use a desktop drive in a server. 

Is any miner going to to tell them they used it to mine on, I know i wouldn't 

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6 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

You know, Nvidia/AMD and graphics card manufacture can just all boost manufacturing allowing both gamer and miners to get their cards. Why would one say no to money?

Not really, especially not AMD because HBM2 is really hard to get. If it was that simple don't you think they would be doing it?

 

They say "No" to money because AMD and NVidia would MUCH rather gamers buy their cards, who will review it, use them as intended, unintentionally advertise it (word of mouth) and for the most part, not rma it and cost partners money.


AMD and NVidia don't want miners buying these cards.

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Of course i'm not fond of some of the inconveniences brought on by mining but what people do with their earned money is their business, also to the argument about having compute calculations limitations is nothing more then a technological regression we need to move forward not backward. 

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This is a very close minded argument. I dont know why a group of individuals should be punished that hard for doing something they believe could make them money just because it makes it harder for us gamers to get a GTX1060 or RX 580. What they're doing is completely legal and there is no malicious intent to starve us of GPU's. It sucks but be an adult and 

 

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2 minutes ago, pas008 said:

who cares what people do with their cards

its none of you fucking business

it literally is their business when miners are costing them tons because miners destroy the cards and then RMA it..


When you get a new car/bike, you aren't suppoused to throttle it as fast as it goes. So if I buy a brand new Veyron, throttle it (and therefore break the engine) and return it, and make Bugatti pay for a new car, that's "none of their business"? Ofcourse it is, they are a business and they are losing money to idiots using the cards outside the intended purposes. My dad's 15,000$ EACH amplifiers CAN be used to play my guitar out of through daisy chaining, however if I did this i'd likely blow the amp. So is it fair if I did that, knowing it would blow the amp, then returned it to Macintosh  andmade them pay for it? No, it's not.

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It would probably be unenforceable short of the owner admitting it openly. How would they tell if you were mining as opposed to other intensive uses. My 1080Ti is pretty much at 95%+ core most of the time during gaming, and there are other compute uses that could hit it hard too.

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Just now, TVwazhere said:

This is a very close minded argument. I dont know why a group of individuals should be punished that hard for doing something they believe could make them money just because it makes it harder for us gamers to get a GTX1060 or RX 580. What they're doing is completely legal and there is no malicious intent to starve us of GPU's. It sucks but be an adult and 

 

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It costs everyone money. It costs AMD/NVidia partners money (maybe amd/nvidia, not sure who pays for RMAs). It costs AMD and NVdia money. gives them bad rep and less advertising (miners aren't going to use the cards as a gamer would and unintentionally advertise it). It costs the consumer money because we then have to fork out double the price for a card, everyone loses but the miner. Why do you think these partners and AMD/NVidia are trying so hard to keep miners away? Don't you think if it wasn't a problem for them they wouldn't do anything?

 

As I mentioned above, sure, it's legal and they CAN use these cards to mine 24/7 with at full load, that's not how it's intended to be used. 

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11 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

You know, Nvidia/AMD and graphics card manufacture can just all boost manufacturing allowing both gamer and miners to get their cards. Why would one say no to money?

Can they? Because they would have already. The only possible explanation is that they're happy with the underwhelming supply to create an elevated price and increase their margins but that would basically mean "Let's eat a mountain of negative PR for months for a very short term small increase in margins" it makes more sense that they just cannot produce chips fast enough.

 

Then again I have maintained that consumers don't need to use compute, at all. I know is controversial but they should kill compute at the bios levels and push miners to the workstation cards instead, they can deal with the price increase due to the other workstation features.

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10 minutes ago, pas008 said:

who cares what people do with their cards

its none of you fucking business

First its inflating GPU prices for people who actually want to buy a GPU to game or for content creation.

 

Second is the cards are dying earlier than normal and increasing RMAs. Every RMA cost a company money then they have to increase cost to make up for it. 

 

This hurts everyone but the miners themselves. All this for fake currency that is wasting power

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5 minutes ago, Armakar said:

It costs everyone money. It costs AMD/NVidia partners money (maybe amd/nvidia, not sure who pays for RMAs). It costs AMD and NVdia money. gives them bad rep and less advertising (miners aren't going to use the cards as a gamer would and unintentionally advertise it). It costs the consumer money because we then have to fork out double the price for a card, everyone loses but the miner. Why do you think these partners and AMD/NVidia are trying so hard to keep miners away? Don't you think if it wasn't a problem for them they wouldn't do anything?

 

As I mentioned above, sure, it's legal and they CAN use these cards to mine 24/7 with at full load, that's not how it's intended to be used. 

AMD is not trying to keep miners away: When faced with incredible supply problems, beyond those of a normal launch, they decided that mere days after releasing Vega they were gonna create a miner specific beta driver. AMD are LYING TO YOU when they tell you they want to curve miners, they couldn't be happier someone is buying their botched Vega chips at launch.

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