The Skylake-X Mess Explored: Thermal Paste And Runaway Power

[done12many2]

LTT forums are funny.  

 

"My dad is bigger than your dad and can beat your dad up.  One day I will be strong and cool like my dad, so watch out"

[MageTank]

3 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Fine, then tell me a card that I can really crank up the heat output with a shunt mod for my ridiculous pipe dream of a loop with enough rad space to make Done12 blush.

If it takes multiple PSUs to power the monstrosity, then so be it.

Kepler's scaled quite well with shunt mods, lol. Had a friend with 780's that pulled 400w+ each, and he had 3 of them. 

[Drak3]

Just now, MageTank said:

Kepler's scaled quite well with shunt mods, lol. Had a friend with 780's that pulled 400w+ each, and he had 3 of them. 

Alright, 7980XE and 4 Titan Z's, here I come!

 

 

If I ever have the money and space to build that loop.

[Vode]

4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Alright, 7980XE and 4 Titan Z's, here I come!

 

 

If I ever have the money and space to build that loop.

A typical room has 4 walls... hmmm...

 

You can replace at least two of them with rad space. One wall for the intake, one for the outtake. 

 

28,800cm2 radspace should be enough. Have to order 240 12cm fans though. lol

 

Whole room water cooling next level, let's do this!

[XenosTech]

1 minute ago, Vode said:

A typical room has 4 walls... hmmm...

 

You can replace at least two of them with rad space. One wall for the intake, one for the outtake. 

 

28,800cm2 radspace should be enough. Have to order 240 12cm fans though. lol

 

Whole room water cooling next level, let's do this!

Unless you have my bedroom where I have a 5th wall lol

[Drak3]

4 minutes ago, Vode said:

A typical room has 4 walls

3 minutes ago, XenosTech said:

Unless you have my bedroom where I have a 5th wall lol

Yes, but can you name the type of room that has no walls?

[XenosTech]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Yes, but can you name the type of room that has no walls?

Nature lol

[Drak3]

Just now, XenosTech said:

Nature lol

Nice smartass answer, but no.

[Vode]

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

Yes, but can you name the type of room that has no walls?

[Masada02]

Guy's, I've had a thought. Maybe it's been brought up before, but has anyone considered why Intel would use this sort of shitty thermal paste on their high end CPUs? I've heard the longevity argument and there may be some truth to that, but I've got to thinking it may be something else. 

 

Let's think about it like this: who are the people that OC CPUs? Enthusiasts right? When overclocking a CPU, do enthusiasts generally stop halfway? Probably not (at least I don't). What's a good way to kill a CPU? Pushing too far or not knowing what you're doing. When you kill a CPU it has historically been covered under warranty so you can get a new one. Well, technically it isn't, but there's no real way to prove you were overclocking.

 

Enter: bad thermal paste. Today, how does an enthusiast get the best overclocks? Well, you first need to delid and then push your CPU. And what does delidding do? It voids your warranty and there's not any way to hide the fact that it has been done. So now if your CPU dies, Intel doesn't have to send you a new one.

 

Now, one could argue that you don't have to delid to overclock and that's true. I'd argue though that the subset of the population that is more likely to kill CPUs from pushing too far is the same piece that is going to be interested in delidding. For most normal people the bad thermals won't matter because they'd stop at a moderate OC or not OC at all regardless of how hot the CPU is getting.

 

Maybe it's just a crazy conspiracy theory, and they are never going to admit to it, but it seems possible.

 

 

TL;DR: bad thermal paste avoids warranty claims from overclockers who will do what it takes to push their CPU.

[Marinatall_Ironside]

On 7/10/2017 at 0:00 PM, MageTank said:

No more $200 boards and 212 evo's people. 

Well Southland Technology (the company that provided the computers for my animation class) paired i7-4960X's with Rampage IV Black Editions AND 212 EVO's. Call me crazy, but they did that almost a few years ago when they got them ???

[VagabondWraith]

New Apex board. Asus stepping up their game. 

 

 

[done12many2]

39 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

New Apex board. Asus stepping up their game. 

 

I literally just committed to the idea of returning my Gigabyte Gaming 7 in order to wait it out for the Asus Apex.  The ONLY problem that I have with the Gaming 7 is the BIOS.  Other than that, the board is pretty great, but BIOS is a HUGE deal too me and this platform is too damn expensive to be 98% happy with something.  

[PCGuy_5960]

43 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

New Apex board. Asus stepping up their game. 

Yeah, this video does make me wonder tho, did der8auer make the "X299 VRM disaster" videos as promotion for the RVI Extreme/Apex?

[VagabondWraith]

5 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yeah, this video does make me wonder tho, did der8auer make the "X299 VRM disaster" videos as promotion for the RVI Extreme/Apex?

He does get free shit from Asus and I believe he is sponsored in some sort of way. The only good thing I gather from his videos is a better board from Asus. Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way especially if other manufacturers take heed to it and improve their future products. That's a good thing that can come from it but the fact he worked with Asus on their improvements does give you the impression he was wanting Asus to make a better board.

[VagabondWraith]

12 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

I literally just committed to the idea of returning my Gigabyte Gaming 7 in order to wait it out for the Asus Apex.  The ONLY problem that I have with the Gaming 7 is the BIOS.  Other than that, the board is pretty great, but BIOS is a HUGE deal too me and this platform is too damn expensive to be 98% happy with something.  

I too am thinking about selling my MSI board down the line and getting the Apex. It was the board I wanted all along but I needed to jump in to X299 now and reap its benefits. I'm expecting it to cost north of $600 so I don't know how good I feel about spending more on a mobo than CPU. I'm pretty happy with the MSI board as it suits my needs very good. We'll see.

[done12many2]

6 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

He does get free shit from Asus and I believe he is sponsored in some sort of way. The only good thing I gather from his videos is a better board from Asus. Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way especially if other manufacturers take heed to it and improve their future products. That's a good thing that can come from it but the fact he worked with Asus on their improvements does give you the impression he was wanting Asus to make a better board.

16 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yeah, this video does make me wonder tho, did der8auer make the "X299 VRM disaster" videos as promotion for the RVI Extreme/Apex?

 

I am beyond confident that there are absolutely no VRM related issues with the Gigabyte Gaming 7.  It uses the same 2 block attached via a heatpipe design as the redesigned Asus x299 Apex.  Big difference between the Gaming 3 originally used in der8auer's "x299 VRM Disaster" video.  My decision to switch to Apex is solely based off of BIOS and memory performance.  Memory performance is great on the Gaming 7, but it will almost certainly be better on the Apex due to shorter trace routing.  

 

1 minute ago, VagabondWraith said:

I too am thinking about selling my MSI board down the line and getting the Apex. It was the board I wanted all along but I needed to jump in to X299 now and reap its benefits. I'm expecting it to cost north of $600 so I don't know how good I feel about spending more on a mobo than CPU. I'm pretty happy with the MSI board as it suits my needs very good. We'll see.

 

Luckily I bought my Gaming 7 from Micro Center and I'm still withing the 15-day return window.  I just need to decide if it's worth having the 7900X laying around for 2 or 3 weeks without a motherboard, or should I return it and grab the 7920X in August (if rumors are true)  Decisions, decisions.  

[MageTank]

1 hour ago, VagabondWraith said:

New Apex board. Asus stepping up their game. 

 

 

Multiple DIMM.2 slots on that APEX? I am immediately in love x.x

[done12many2]

1 minute ago, MageTank said:

Multiple DIMM.2 slots on that APEX? I am immediately in love x.x

 

Yeah, 1 DIMM.2 slot is fed straight to the CPU and the other via the DMI.  The board is just sweet man!

 

Memory DIMM on/off switches along with PCIe slot on/off switches.  This literally makes setting up any configuration for benching as simple as turning shit on / off.

[DocSwag]

On 7/11/2017 at 11:41 AM, WarWeeny said:

 

"thashes" - uhuh, like 20% for double the price.

Sure sounds like a great deal....oh wait.

Double the price? A full Ryzen+b350+16gb ram vs 7800x+x299+16gb ram is around $500 vs $700, which sure doesn't sound like double the price to me....

[Jito463]

38 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Double the price? A full Ryzen+b350+16gb ram vs 7800x+x299+16gb ram is around $500 vs $700, which sure doesn't sound like double the price to me....

What exactly is a full Ryzen?

[Flavio hc 16]

6 hours ago, DocSwag said:

Double the price? A full Ryzen+b350+16gb ram vs 7800x+x299+16gb ram is around $500 vs $700, which sure doesn't sound like double the price to me....

Yep right....Not.

R7 1700: 300$

B350 motherboard :100 $ for a good one

16gbs ram: 120%

Total: 520$

 

I7 7800x 390$

An x299 motherboard  that doesn't fry: 300$

16gb ram 120$

A cpu cooler that can mantain that processor at manageable temperature At STOCK: 110$ ( corsair h110 v2)

Total:920$

Yeah....

[PCGuy_5960]

2 hours ago, Flavio hc 16 said:

An x299 motherboard  that doesn't fry: 300$

Wrong, any X299 motherboard will work with the 7800X

2 hours ago, Flavio hc 16 said:

A cpu cooler that can mantain that processor at manageable temperature At STOCK: 110$ ( corsair h110 v2)

Also wrong, a 212 Evo is enough for stock, if you want to OC you need a better cooler

[DocSwag]

11 hours ago, Jito463 said:

What exactly is a full Ryzen?

Meant to say full Ryzen CPU+mobo+ram package  

6 hours ago, Flavio hc 16 said:

Yep right....Not.

R7 1700: 300$

B350 motherboard :100 $ for a good one

16gbs ram: 120%

Total: 520$

 

I7 7800x 390$

An x299 motherboard  that doesn't fry: 300$

16gb ram 120$

A cpu cooler that can mantain that processor at manageable temperature At STOCK: 110$ ( corsair h110 v2)

Total:920$

Yeah....

Haha doesn't fry? Mind providing a source for the 7800x frying the $200 mobos?

 

Source that lower end CPU coolers can't maintain a manageable temperature? I'm pretty sure that something like an H7 would be totally fine, even for some light overclocking. That brings the price down to around... oh... $700 now, eh? That's not to mention you're, overall, getting a better mobo (the base x299 boards are better than the b350 boards). That's not to mention that $920 isn't double $520  

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, DocSwag said:

That's not to mention you're, overall, getting a better mobo (the base x299 boards are better than the b350 boards).

I am pretty sure that the ASUS X299-A is comparable to the Crosshair 6 Hero in terms of quality and features....