AMD's EPYC CPU'S with Benchmarks & Pricing!

[leadeater]

Found some slides that actually interest me 

 

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[The Benjamins]

Here is the whole conference video

 

[LAwLz]

Lots of exciting stuff but I am mostly glad that HPE, Dell EMC, Microsoft, Baidu and other companies are on board and will start deploying servers with Epyc this year.

It doesn't matter how good your product is if nobody is buying it, or if your competitor gets a lot of time to respond.

 

I'm interested in all the security features. Anyone got links for that? The Anandtech Liveblog did not go into that a whole lot, and I don't think the presentation did either.

[tom_w141]

23 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I don't think that most companies buying server CPUs care about price/performance

Going back to this point real quick yes they do. It is in the best interest of any business to save cost wherever possible. I should know I do it for a living. (Spoiler alert all workstations here are Xeons but obviously they are old and on their next upgrade cycle they likely won't be Xeons unless there is a compelling reason to spend the money ofc.

[cj09beira]

thanks for the video

[PCGuy_5960]

6 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Going back to this point real quick yes they do. It is in the best interest of any business to save cost wherever possible. I should know I do it for a living. (Spoiler alert all workstations here are Xeons but obviously they are old and on their next upgrade cycle they likely won't be Xeons unless there is a compelling reason to spend the money ofc.

They do care, but price performance isn't their number one priority

[tom_w141]

2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

They do care, but price performance isn't their number one priority

Yes it is. Business is about profit. You keep profits up by keeping costs down. If you can get the job done for less with the same or similar result you have done a good job. To spend more you have weigh it up in the interests of the company. Will X% performance difference make us a worthwhile amount of profit to justify the spend? Yes buy, no don't. Simple.

[Taf the Ghost]

8 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Going back to this point real quick yes they do. It is in the best interest of any business to save cost wherever possible. I should know I do it for a living. (Spoiler alert all workstations here are Xeons but obviously they are old and on their next upgrade cycle they likely won't be Xeons unless there is a compelling reason to spend the money ofc.

Well, we'll need to see how well they perform.  I'm really curious to see how close they scale to the equivalent Ryzen 7 system x4. The entire CPU space has gone from beyond boring to insane in 4 months. 

 

It's also important to remember that AMD is only going to be competing in specific sections of the market.  Intel is hitting everything.  And I'm also really curious what the Core Latency is going to be like on those Skylake Xeons.  New tech is fun!

[Taf the Ghost]

I haven't had much input in Server purchases in a long while, but isn't Perf/TCO generally the biggest issue for most large purchasers? 

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, tom_w141 said:

Yes it is. 

If price performance is their number one priority, then why don't they just buy used E5-2670s for $70? Because performance and performance/watt are more important.  Yes, I know EPYC will probably get very close to the Skylake Xeons in terms of performance and it will probably draw slightly less power (at least when using AVX), but those Xeons haven't even been announced yet, so we don't know how much they will cost, we don't know how many cores the highest end one will have etc.

 

All that aside though, the fact that AMD competes in the server market is very important to Intel, because most of their revenue comes from server CPUs so they can't afford to lose their server market share 

[tom_w141]

12 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

If price performance is their number one priority, then why don't they just buy used E5-2670s for $70? Because performance and performance/watt are more important.  Yes, I know EPYC will probably get very close to the Skylake Xeons in terms of performance and it will probably draw slightly less power (at least when using AVX), but those Xeons haven't even been announced yet, so we don't know how much they will cost, we don't know how many cores the highest end one will have etc.

 

All that aside though, the fact that AMD competes in the server market is very important to Intel, because most of their revenue comes from server CPUs so they can't afford to lose their server market share 

Agreed. They don't give a shit about Ryzen but ever since the 1st Naples announcement there has been worry in camp Blue.

[AnonymousGuy]

3 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

I haven't had much input in Server purchases in a long while, but isn't Perf/TCO generally the biggest issue for most large purchasers? 

Yes.  (to save people googling, TCO = total cost of ownership).   I can make a several page list of why you'd go with Intel vs. AMD even though AMD has better perf/$.  (Intel actually has better perf / $ for the < 10 core Xeon parts, fun fact).

[manikyath]

22 hours ago, revsilverspine said:

I need dis... for a friend.

 

@manikyath time to upgrade Stacy(?) (or at least that's what I remember you calling your server o,.,o)

stacy's got a few more years.. i've been staring at a max of 10% cpu usage and a minimum of 28GB free ram

[cj09beira]

1 hour ago, AnonymousGuy said:

Yes.  (to save people googling, TCO = total cost of ownership).   I can make a several page list of why you'd go with Intel vs. AMD even though AMD has better perf/$.  (Intel actually has better perf / $ for the < 10 core Xeon parts, fun fact).

why?

[Doobeedoo]

That's a nice lineup. Love how it scales and how it's like per socket. These will be amazing for AMD to start getting that cash flow.

[captain cactus]

Have some motherboards yo...

 

https://www.supermicro.nl/products/nfo/AMD_SP3.cfm?pg=MOBO

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, lots of unexplainable lag said:

Have some motherboards yo...

 

https://www.supermicro.nl/products/nfo/AMD_SP3.cfm?pg=MOBO

That's EPYC!

[Taf the Ghost]

9 hours ago, AnonymousGuy said:

Yes.  (to save people googling, TCO = total cost of ownership).   I can make a several page list of why you'd go with Intel vs. AMD even though AMD has better perf/$.  (Intel actually has better perf / $ for the < 10 core Xeon parts, fun fact).

Some of the high-clocked 4c Xeon parts that run for 5-6k I wouldn't be surprised. (Because there's some old programs are exclusively single threaded, so, well, you just need as fast of a core that works in a server rack.)  But, and this is the important issue, there's actually now some competition in the space, so Intel actually has to start cutting some deals here and there.

 

One other little trend that would be harder to judge from the outside, but it seems like AMD has a lot better reputation in China. So it'll be something to watch.

[AnonymousGuy]

21 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Some of the high-clocked 4c Xeon parts that run for 5-6k I wouldn't be surprised. (Because there's some old programs are exclusively single threaded, so, well, you just need as fast of a core that works in a server rack.)  But, and this is the important issue, there's actually now some competition in the space, so Intel actually has to start cutting some deals here and there.

 

One other little trend that would be harder to judge from the outside, but it seems like AMD has a lot better reputation in China. So it'll be something to watch.

Intel got blocked by the government from selling in China, I recall.   China refused to agree that the chips wouldn't be used for weapons research. 

[Taf the Ghost]

7 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

Intel got blocked by the government from selling in China, I recall.   China refused to agree that the chips wouldn't be used for weapons research. 

That might explain part of the issue.  I've noted there's some specialized "China versions" of Radeon cards recently, and their OEM GPUs seem almost exclusively sold there. So I imagine there might be more server up-take potential in China and other parts of SE Asia than our first assumptions would be.

[leadeater]

31 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

That might explain part of the issue.  I've noted there's some specialized "China versions" of Radeon cards recently, and their OEM GPUs seem almost exclusively sold there. So I imagine there might be more server up-take potential in China and other parts of SE Asia than our first assumptions would be.

I wonder if it's a case of them being fab'd in China avoiding some of the trade restrictions etc. Being that AMD use rather simplistic designs and generally available and licensable fabrication technologies it's much easier for them to do that than Intel/Nvidia. Spit-balling ofc

[Drak3]

22 hours ago, leadeater said:

Found some slides that actually interest me

-Casually snippiity the first pic-ity-

I'm going to need a bigger S340.

[DXMember]

I found out that Threadripper and EPYC will be sharing the socket

[Taf the Ghost]

1 hour ago, DXMember said:

I found out that Threadripper and EPYC will be sharing the socket

Not quite.  Pin count is the same, and the package might end up looking the same (we don't know right now).  However, they're not electrically the same. Epyc comes from the Naples design; Threadripper seems to have been a repurposed version of the "Snowy Owl" design for certain communications equipment. (Snowy Owl products seem to still exist, but that's more custom stuff.  Think Military Comms. It's also a BGA rather than LGA.)

[DXMember]

32 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Not quite.  Pin count is the same, and the package might end up looking the same (we don't know right now).  However, they're not electrically the same. Epyc comes from the Naples design; Threadripper seems to have been a repurposed version of the "Snowy Owl" design for certain communications equipment. (Snowy Owl products seem to still exist, but that's more custom stuff.  Think Military Comms. It's also a BGA rather than LGA.)

aww....  I was hoping for a 24 NVMe Raid 0 native and still have enough PCI-E for Crossfire at full double x16 =(