4070 vs 4070 super with a Ryzen 5 5600 or 5600x?

[PapaAquaWet]

Budget (including currency): (I'm converting local currency to USD below for ease)

Country:  Sweden/Europe

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Upgrade mainly for gaming

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

 

Hello everyone!

I'm looking for a new GPU to buy and my desired performance are around a 4070/4070 Super, AMDs cards are also good options on sale but it's probably harder to fit them in my case due their height that's often times proceeds 30cm. My main monitor is a 240Hz 1080p display but I use a 165Hz 1440p monitor in portrait mode for programming all the time. I play a lot of competative games aswell which is the reason to why I still use the 240Hz display as my main.

 

Where I live the price to performance are better for cards around the 4070/4070 super performance than cheaper options. 5600 performs desireable with 4070 at 1080/1440p but 4070 super has a big bottleneck at 1080p. The price difference between 4070 and 4070S makes me wonder if I should get the 4070s anyway if I'm plannning to upgrade the CPU next year?

 

 

Here's the prices for some GPUs and their width:

 

4070 Cheapest (2 models in total, MSI model on sale):

MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ventus 2X OC: $643,  24.2 cm

Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 Windforce Dual Fan OC: $642, 20.1 cm

 

MSRP 4070 models (rest of the 4070):

Around $675

 

4070 Super Cheapest (1 model):

Inno3D GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER Twin X2: $697, 25.0 cm

 

MSRP 4070 Super (rest of the 4070S):

$734 and more. An example for $734 are

Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 Super Windforce OC: 26.1 cm

 

To me it doesn't seem to bad of an idea to buy the Inno3D GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER Twin X2 since it doesn't cost that much more than the cheapest 4070 models. Then in the future when I upgrade the CPU I will  gain more performance out of the 4070 super. Since I'm already on the AM4 platform, I'm thining about the 5700/5800X3D or the new AM4 ones that are releasing later. What do you guys think?

 

 

 

[filpo]

1 minute ago, PapaAquaWet said:

due their height that's often times proceeds 30cm

do you mean their length? the 7800 XT ASUS dual OC is under 300mm long Asus DUAL OC Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card (90YV0JJ1-M0AA00) - PCPartPicker

2 minutes ago, PapaAquaWet said:

I play a lot of competative games aswell

which ones?

 

2 minutes ago, PapaAquaWet said:

5600 performs desireable with 4070 at 1080/1440p but 4070 super has a big bottleneck at 1080p. The price difference between 4070 and 4070S makes me wonder if I should get the 4070s anyway if I'm plannning to upgrade the CPU next year?

you'll definitely have a bottleneck. it's not ideal but also not the end of the world

I'd say try a 7800 XT with your 5600 and then if it doesn't go smoothly upgrade the cpu to a 5700X3D with a bios update

3 minutes ago, PapaAquaWet said:

'm looking for a new GPU to buy and my desired performance are around a 4070/4070 Super, AMDs cards are also good options on sale but it's probably harder to fit them in my case due their height that's often times proceeds 30cm. My main monitor is a 240Hz 1080p display but I use a 165Hz 1440p monitor in portrait mode for programming all the time. I play a lot of competative games aswell which is the reason to why I still use the 240Hz display as my main.

 

Where I live the price to performance are better for cards around the 4070/4070 super performance than cheaper options. 5600 performs desireable with 4070 at 1080/1440p but 4070 super has a big bottleneck at 1080p. The price difference between 4070 and 4070S makes me wonder if I should get the 4070s anyway if I'm plannning to upgrade the CPU next year?

What're your full current system specs?

[PapaAquaWet]

2 minutes ago, filpo said:

which ones?

Of competative games I mainly play OW2 but play some Valorant aswell. However the GPU doesn't make much of a difference in those games. The upgrade are mainly for single player games. The future CPU upgrade will however make a huge difference in multiplayer games and also minimize the bottleneck.

 

6 minutes ago, filpo said:

I'd say try a 7800 XT with your 5600 and then if it doesn't go smoothly upgrade the cpu to a 5700X3D with a bios update

The 7800 XT are priced similarly to the 4070 but on sale it's a steal. The 7800 XT and 7900 GRE cards are quite long and I'm scared if they really will fit.

 

13 minutes ago, filpo said:

What're your full current system specs?

CPU Ryzen 5 5600 (non x version)

Motherboard Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite V2

RAM Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 16GB (2x8GB) / 3200MHz / DDR4 / CL16

GPU Gigabyte GTX 1660 Ti

Case Phanteks Eclipse P300

Storage  One 1000  GB M.2 SSD and one 250 GB

PSU Seasonic Focus+ / 550W / 80+ Gold | but I have a Cooler Master MWE Gold 1050W V2 aswell that's unopened

Cooling be quiet! Pure Rock + 2x be quiet! Pure Wings 2 - 140mm extra fan on front of the case + 1x Noctua NF-A12x25 / PWM / 120mm on the back

[191x7]

15 minutes ago, PapaAquaWet said:

Of competative games I mainly play OW2 but play some Valorant aswell. However the GPU doesn't make much of a difference in those games. The upgrade are mainly for single player games. The future CPU upgrade will however make a huge difference in multiplayer games and also minimize the bottleneck.

 

The 7800 XT are priced similarly to the 4070 but on sale it's a steal. The 7800 XT and 7900 GRE cards are quite long and I'm scared if they really will fit.

 

CPU Ryzen 5 5600 (non x version)

Motherboard Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite V2

RAM Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 16GB (2x8GB) / 3200MHz / DDR4 / CL16

GPU Gigabyte GTX 1660 Ti

Case Phanteks Eclipse P300

Storage  One 1000  GB M.2 SSD and one 250 GB

PSU Seasonic Focus+ / 550W / 80+ Gold | but I have a Cooler Master MWE Gold 1050W V2 aswell that's unopened

Cooling be quiet! Pure Rock + 2x be quiet! Pure Wings 2 - 140mm extra fan on front of the case + 1x Noctua NF-A12x25 / PWM / 120mm on the back

I would recommend switching to the 1440p display for gaming. That will solve the 5700X3D/5800X3D being a bottleneck to a 4070Super/7800XT card.

For the GPU, I'd stretch to a 7900 GRE if there's a model which fits your case.

[PapaAquaWet]

8 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

I would recommend switching to the 1440p display for gaming. That will solve the 5700X3D/5800X3D being a bottleneck to a 4070Super/7800XT card.

I'm pretty sure "5700X3D/5800X3D" wont be any bottleneck right? 5600 is a big bottleneck at 1080p and somewhat ok at 1440p depending on the game.

 

12 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

For the GPU, I'd stretch to a 7900 GRE if there's a model which fits your case.

Here's AMD models I'm 100% sure will fit my case. The 7900 GRE seems pretty comparable to the 4070 Super I mentioned above in price. However the 7800XT are generating more raw frames outside of Raytracing than the 4070.

 

7800 XT:

ASUS Radeon RX 7800 XT DUAL OC: $605

 

7900 GRE:

Asus Radeon RX 7900 GRE Dual OC Edition: $669

 

Something good to mention is that these cards are 2 fans versions hence why I know they will fit since they are only 28cm. From these prices it almost seems like the 7800XT is better priced or am I wrong? It's a better buy if you don't care about Ray tracing. I haven't used RT before so I'm unsure if it's worth it. Btw do AMD cards have any disadvantage in competative games in terms of delay or something similar? I haven't seen pro players in games use AMD cards even though some use 3070, 3080 cards of performance.

 

 

 

[191x7]

Just now, PapaAquaWet said:

I'm pretty sure "5700X3D/5800X3D" wont be any bottleneck right? 5600 is a big bottleneck at 1080p and somewhat ok at 1440p depending on the game.

Not in 1440p or 4K, but most certainly in 1080p. It's just such a low resolution. 

[PapaAquaWet]

30 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

Not in 1440p or 4K, but most certainly in 1080p. It's just such a low resolution. 

Do you have any opinion on the 7800XT that I mentioned? Are 2 fans enough  for the 7800XT and 7900GRE?

[191x7]

11 minutes ago, PapaAquaWet said:

Do you have any opinion on the 7800XT that I mentioned? Are 2 fans enough  for the 7800XT and 7900GRE?

The 7900 GRE is noticeably stronger than the 7800XT. Both aren't huge heaters, so the smaller cooling solutions should be fine as long as the case has decent airflow.