New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just five days – Slice Intelligence

[AlTech]

7 hours ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

yeah the iGPU literally makes no difference except eating more battery when not gaming

FYI, the iGPU is more efficient since it's based off of Skylake instead of broadwell (for the 2015 13 inch) or haswell (for the 2015 15 inch).

 

I'm sorry that you're close minded enough to believe that gaming is the only graphics accelerated tasks in the world. Even one of the biggest Mac fans I've ever seen IRL said "Don't buy a Mac for gaming" "If you want to game then buy a PC".

[AlTech]

5 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

In general, things arent too badly priced. $1500 for the base 13" vs. $1400 for a comparable XPS 13. The pricing issue comes from the OLED-newness tax. 

 

And even still, my personal experience with high end Dells/Macs is that the Mac lasts significantly longer -- eliminating that initial cost difference anyway. 

Both are awful. The Old 2015 13 inch Pro used to start at $1300 and that wasn't a good deal either.

 

The cost difference is one reason why I don't buy Apple Products. They are overpriced for the hardware they bring to the table.

[79wjd]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

Both are awful. The Old 2015 13 inch Pro used to start at $1300 and that wasn't a good deal either.

 

The cost difference is one reason why I don't buy Apple Products. They are overpriced for the hardware they bring to the table.

But they're not. They're priced competitvely with other ultrabooks. You can argue that ultrabooks are all poorly priced, but that's very different from saying Macs are overpriced. 

[AlTech]

9 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

But they're not. They're priced competitvely with other ultrabooks. You can argue that ultrabooks are all poorly priced, but that's very different from saying Macs are overpriced. 

They're not competitively price.............. I got a SP4 i7, 16GB RAM and a 256GB SSD.... The pricing is aligned with Surface Book Pricing but there's no way that they should be priced the same.

 

If you tried to get an SP4 as configured above from Dell or a Mac Equivalent it probably would cost around $1700-2000 while I paid $1400-1500.

 

EDIT:

 

Image from Apple's website:

Configuring a 13 inch to similar specs as my SP4......

 

 

 

I'll be damned if Apple thinks they can charge $400 markup on a laptop with almost identical specs no less........

[Aytex]

16 hours ago, GDRRiley said:

what about how great OS X? I use it every day at school.

how good of a worksation it is? no it gets beat by a 500$ laptop.

A good batery life? I know but there are some windows laptops with longer batter life.

Gets beat by the razer blade stealth?

 

if it is a workstaion it should have good  power 

I use a mac pro for school as well, its pretty horrid, I hate it  

 

its not for "graphic designers" the only thing its useful is for final cut, and thats it

[Wolther]

4 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

They're not competitively price.............. I got a SP4 i7, 16GB RAM and a 256GB SSD.... The pricing is aligned with Surface Book Pricing but there's no way that they should be priced the same.

 

If you tried to an SP4 as configured above from Dell or a Mac Equivalent it probably would cost around $1700-1800 while I paid $1400-1500.

There's more to a Mac than just its hardware. A lot of the programs are much more efficient (Kinda the same way with a console and a game, they optimize it relative to the hardware put into the device). 

Also.. I honestly love OSX (or MacOs) whatever it is now, feels so much better than windows 10 and I don't get annoying marketing shit 24/7 or worry about viruses every time I download something iffy. 

[AlTech]

2 minutes ago, Wolther said:

There's more to a Mac than just its hardware. A lot of the programs are much more efficient (Kinda the same way with a console and a game, they optimize it relative to the hardware put into the device). 

Also.. I honestly love OSX (or MacOs) whatever it is now, feels so much better than windows 10 and I don't get annoying marketing shit 24/7 or worry about viruses every time I download something iffy. 

And? Microsoft profits off of every PC purchase........ Apple needs to do the same for their Macs to pay their software team. I get that. But having a $400 difference? I might have been fine with a  $100 different but definitely not $400.

[GDRRiley]

Just now, Aytex said:

I use a mac pro for school as well, its pretty horrid, I hate it  

 

its not for "graphic designers" the only thing its useful is for final cut, and thats it

My school has mc pros 2010. they are fine other than that they can't handle 1080p work in after effects without studering some. The GPUs really feel it then or if I got to render a video longer than a few min I will be waiting there for way longer than I would like.  I find it fine but I can't get use to OS X for some simple reasons. WTF why can't I tell where this is going and why can't I easy flind files that programs have hidden away. My school has the entire adobe set so I don't get why we just don't use it. 

[AlTech]

2 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

My school has mc pros 2010. they are fine other than that they can't handle 1080p work in after effects without studering some. The GPUs really feel it then or if I got to render a video longer than a few min I will be waiting there for way longer than I would like.  I find it fine but I can't get use to OS X for some simple reasons. WTF why can't I tell where this is going and why can't I easy flind files that programs have hidden away. My school has the entire adobe set so I don't get why we just don't use it. 

a few years ago I used 2012 13 inch MBPs (Non Retina) with a HDD in my old school.

 

Damn, it took like 5-10 minutes to turn it on...... and once it was on, it lagged and the only thing we used it for was writing notes or making a Google Slides or doing a lot of research.

 

The only positive experience on a Mac I've ever had was on one that cost $2000 USD.......

[79wjd]

16 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

They're not competitively price.............. I got a SP4 i7, 16GB RAM and a 256GB SSD.... The pricing is aligned with Surface Book Pricing but there's no way that they should be priced the same.

 

If you tried to get an SP4 as configured above from Dell or a Mac Equivalent it probably would cost around $1700-2000 while I paid $1400-1500.

 

EDIT:

 

Image from Apple's website:

Configuring a 13 inch to similar specs as my SP4......

 

 

 

I'll be damned if Apple thinks they can charge $400 markup on a laptop with almost identical specs no less........

The i7/16gb/256gb SP4 lists for $1800 from Microsoft. That's the price you should go by, not some sale price. Also, there is no benefit to the "better" i7 in the 13" MBP. Dual core i7s aren't better than their i5 counterparts in any meaningful way, so blame Intel for charging more for a 2c/4t i7 than a 2c/4t i5 just to make money. 

 

[GDRRiley]

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

a few years ago I used 2012 13 inch MBPs with a HDD in my old school.

 

Damn, it took like 5-10 minutes to turn it on...... and once it was on, it lagged and the only thing we used it for was writing notes or making a Google Slides or doing a lot of research.

They have hard drives and for me comming from a SSD for almost everthing I power it on and then let class start and 2 minutes later it it is ready. Some of them are filing up altho then most of the flies will get moved to my schools 130TB raid drive. Yeah my school has a masive raid drive for multi media use only.

[GDRRiley]

7 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

And? Microsoft profits off of every PC purchase........ Apple needs to do the same for their Macs to pay their software team. I get that. But having a $400 difference? I might have been fine with a  $100 different but definitely not $400.

Apple did very little with their OS it is just a linux skin that hides a hole bunch of stuff. 

[Wolther]

14 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

And? Microsoft profits off of every PC purchase........ Apple needs to do the same for their Macs to pay their software team. I get that. But having a $400 difference? I might have been fine with a  $100 different but definitely not $400.

All boils down to your personal preference. 

For some people it's worth it that much to have something just work every time they open their laptop. Some people don't mind fixing something on Windows for hours at a time.

I own both Windows and Mac pcs and I'm happy with either one. 

8 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

Apple did very little with their OS it is just a linux skin that hides a hole bunch of stuff. 

That's.. entirely not true at all. 

[AkiraDaarkst]

25 minutes ago, Wolther said:

Also.. I honestly love OSX (or MacOs) whatever it is now, feels so much better than windows 10 and I don't get annoying marketing shit 24/7 or worry about viruses every time I download something iffy. 

True dat!

 

32 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

 

I sorta agree that the 13" MBP might be a bit overpriced, but it's also the only 13" laptop that will natively run OSX for people who want a 13" sized laptop with OSX.

 

But on the 15" model, for the 2016 model at least, it's really not overpriced when you consider that Apple has finally added a workstation'ish GPU (Radeon Pro) that's capable of letting media editors work in a 10-bit workflow using external monitors.  Other laptops with workstation GPUs (in the 15" size group) are Lenovo's P50 ThinkPad which costs about $500 less for a configuration similar to the base model of the 15" 2016MBP.  But Dell and HP workstations with workstation GPUs (i.e. mobile Quadro or FirePro/Radeon Pro GPUs) on the other hand are about the same price as the base model of the 15" 2016 MBP for similar configuration if not more expensive.

 

So because Apple has finally added workstation GPU into the 15" 2016 MBP line up, it's going to be harder to compare with any other laptop besides true workstation laptops.  Any laptop with a gaming GPU incapable of supporting 10-bit color for professional applications will not count, at least for people who require 10-bit color support.

[AkiraDaarkst]

22 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

Apple did very little with their OS it is just a linux skin that hides a hole bunch of stuff. 

OSX is based of UNIX, not Linux.

[captain_to_fire]

26 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

My school has mc pros 2010. they are fine other than that they can't handle 1080p work in after effects without studering some. The GPUs really feel it then or if I got to render a video longer than a few min I will be waiting there for way longer than I would like.  I find it fine but I can't get use to OS X for some simple reasons. WTF why can't I tell where this is going and why can't I easy flind files that programs have hidden away. My school has the entire adobe set so I don't get why we just don't use it. 

And there you said it. You don't know how to use a Mac. Let me share you some basics.

 

Spotlight- searching for files, folders, and web info. Move your cursor to the top right and look for the magnifying glass icon.

 

Finder-file manager which is like the File Explorer. Just click the two-face icon on your dock and there it is.

 

Dock- it's like the taskbar in Windows where you can pin your commonly used applications. For apps not in the dock, you can open a Finder windows and click Applications, or search for them within Spotlight, or do a thumb and three finger pinch to bring up Launchpad.

[GDRRiley]

Just now, hey_yo_ said:

And there you said it. You don't know how to use a Mac. Let me share you some basics.

 

Spotlight- searching for files, folders, and web info. Move your cursor to the top right and look for the magnifying glass icon.

 

Finder-file manager which is like the File Explorer. Just click the two-face icon on your dock and there it is.

 

Dock- it's like the taskbar in Windows where you can pin your commonly used applications. For apps not in the dock, you can open a Finder windows and click Applications, or search for them within Spotlight, or do a thumb and three finger pinch to bring up Launchpad.

I use one every day. 

Spotlight is fine but I don't always want to have to search threw the very slow 1tb hard drive. 

finder- it sucks

dock I use it a lot and I think that it is good 

[AkiraDaarkst]

11 minutes ago, hey_yo_ said:

And there you said it. You don't know how to use a Mac. Let me share you some basics.

 

Spotlight- searching for files, folders, and web info. Move your cursor to the top right and look for the magnifying glass icon.

 

Finder-file manager which is like the File Explorer. Just click the two-face icon on your dock and there it is.

 

Dock- it's like the taskbar in Windows where you can pin your commonly used applications. For apps not in the dock, you can open a Finder windows and click Applications, or search for them within Spotlight, or do a thumb and three finger pinch to bring up Launchpad.

Other than the fact that a majority of pre-built computers come with annoying adware and the too often annoying Windows updates, Windows is not really a bad OS.  It's the primary OS anyone should be using if they want to game, and sure different versions of Windows have their flaws and bugs (which is why I reverted back to Win7 from Win10).

 

But there are some things I just prefer about OSX beside the fact that I feel it's more stable and secure than Windows.

1. Spotlight search in OSX, at least to me, is better
2. Finder, I prefer organizing stuff in any folder I open to be sorted by kind, and in OSX it persists in any folder I open.  But I prefer Window's more detailed way of organizing files by type (for example in OSX, grouping by kind simply puts all PNG, JPG, BMP images together while in Windows they are in separate groups).  But, sometimes Windows is annoying where if I have a folder that only has music files I have to manually change the columns to ones I want because Windows makes assumptions about which columns to show based on what's inside the folder.  OK so this is not really a plus for either OSX or Windows as both have their own quirks.
3. Time Machine Backup is better than any Windows backup tools I've used (granted I haven't used a lot of them)
4. When I'm writing text (in applications such as Word) and I work in a multi-language environment, typing special characters in OSX is much easier and faster than Windows (where you have to use character map or some shortcut keys and codes)
5. I like the fact that it won't let me do certain things without entering the admin password (yes I know Windows also has some ways of doing this, but I find OSX's way to be better, and OSX's way is similar to Linux's way too)
6. I prefer using OSX's terminal than Windows cmd.

[AkiraDaarkst]

3 minutes ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

 

aren't Macs always the first thing to get hacked at White Hat competitions?

Actually the risks are almost equal for OSX and Windows, but I'm a security conscious person and I feel that with the measures I take, even if I take the same level of precautions in either OSX or Windows, I have less risks with OSX.

[captain_to_fire]

25 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

I use one every day. 

Spotlight is fine but I don't always want to have to search threw the very slow 1tb hard drive. 

finder- it sucks

dock I use it a lot and I think that it is good 

You do realize that mechanical hard drives are really slow regardless of the operating system. A 5400 rpm hard drive won't even come close to a 2.5" SATA III solid state drive when it comes to sequential read/write speeds. If you're using an external drive, there are a lot of external SSDs.

[GDRRiley]

1 minute ago, hey_yo_ said:

You do realize that mechanical hard drives are really slow regardless of the operating system. A 5400 rpm hard drive won't even come close to a 2.5" SATA III solid state drive when it comes to sequential read/write speeds. If you're using an external drive, there are a lot of external SSDs.

I don't have it for home it is my schools. I know. 

[captain_to_fire]

3 hours ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

 

aren't Macs always the first thing to get hacked at White Hat competitions?

If we're talking about the days of OS X Tiger and Snow Leopard, then yes. They lack Address Space Layour Randomization. Fast forward OS X Lion and onwards, they've introduced ASLR. Since macOS Sierra is 64-bit by default, ASLR is more effective since 64-bit offers a larger address space. Same goes for the ASLR in 64-bit Windows.

 

To be fair, neither Apple nor Microsoft advertised that their operating systems are hack proof or invulnerable to threats. Although, in my opinion it is Microsoft to always introduce new security features and Apple follows afterwards.

[mrchow19910319]

*Sit back and take out popcorn.  Let it burn baby, let it burn.  

[captain_to_fire]

12 minutes ago, mrchow19910319 said:

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[Belgarathian]

17 hours ago, AkiraDaarkst said:

The Razer Blade stealth is a 12.5 inch machine with a dual core processor and a consumer gaming GPU.

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade-stealth

Stealth uses iGPU, much like the 13" MBP