"Brexit"

[pinksnowmanshandle]

5 minutes ago, Heesleemer said:

This is history, and David Cameron is history. 

Bye bye scotland (in the next 5 years) 

I didn't think Scotland should leave the UK when they had their referendum a year or two ago, but following the theme of independence. The UK should probably let go of the remaining countries/islands in their Empire. Since they want out of the EU.

 

If Scotland leaves the UK, could that mean they could join the EU? Scotland did overwhelmingly vote stay in the EU.

[skywake]

[AresKrieger]

32 minutes ago, Enderman said:

GBP is dropping in value, double checked with USD and EUR (to make sure its actually not EUR increasing)

 

Well yeah, investors don't like change, since they can't predict it's outcome but many people don't like investors or politicians hence the result of the vote.

[AresKrieger]

5 minutes ago, wcreek said:

I didn't think Scotland should leave the UK when they had their referendum a year or two ago, but following the theme of independence. The UK should probably let go of the remaining countries/islands in their Empire. Since they want out of the EU.

 

If Scotland leaves the UK, could that mean they could join the EU? Scotland did overwhelmingly vote stay in the EU.

They are not very viable on their own for EU entry so without the rest of the UK it's unlikely they would be able to stay without proof of meeting economic requirements.

[Rune]

American here, so my POV on this may not matter much or be completely incorrect.

 

From what I can gather, a large portion of the anger that is motivating "leave" voters seems to be stemming from EU border control laws. I really don't understand why it is such a big issue for an exception to be made (or continue to be made as I understand it) for the UK to continue its own enforcement on that. It would be like Texas being angry it had to accept refugees from New York because Canada invaded, and threatening to succeed (again) if being forced to let them in. Sure, everyone would hate each other and disagree over stupid things like guns, but thats how life works. You can't just say "I don't like you so you don't get to come here." Or at least, that is what I thought before Trump became one of our nominees.

 

Regardless, this has me super bummed. Without major financing from Britain the ESA is probably going to tank worse than NASA has and other technology related areas are going to slow at least temporarily as well. Progress should be constantly increasing speed...not stopping because the slow guy in the back doesn't like the color of the shirt of the dude in front of him...

[Moress]

Well the votes are in. Britain voted to leave the EU. I know it doesn't mean they actually will since it still require the prime minister to actually start the process, but the consequences are already started.

As of me typing this the Pound has lost 8% of its value. If I were British Id be rushing to buy anything Gold, silver or electronic in order to try to hold onto some of my money's value. I can only see the pound continuing to free fall as talks continue and likely exprience hyperinflation in the coming years.

Good luck to all of my British friends and may the GTX 1080 only cost £5,000 this time next year.

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

21 hours ago, Thorium19 said:

-snip-

Also because Jeremy Clarkson and James May said so.
 

 

[Moress]

34 minutes ago, CostcoSamples said:

Europe is in horrible shape.  Debt to GDP is well above 100% in most countries, very high unemployment, crazy high taxes, failing government services, crime is increasing.  Never mind all of that - you have "No go" zones all over Europe where Muslims have setup isolated welfare-funded communities where Shariah law is enforced. Shariah law, in England, France, Belgium, etc.  Do you know what shariah law is?  You should look it up and you will understand the problem very clearly.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp

 

Stop using bullshit to spread your hate.

[SurvivorNVL]

3 minutes ago, Moress said:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp

 

Stop using bullshit to spread your hate.

Far from hate when many police agencies in Germany and France, won't go in to refugee / Muslim communities due to the high risk and political backlash / incentivations.  It's not hate when it is the truth and the truth about the incredibly insane crime has been getting out.  A lot.  Integration isn't happening.  The experiment is a bust.

[ThinkWithPortals]

And yet, they voted leave.

 

Damn.

[Moress]

2 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Far from hate when many police agencies in Germany and France, won't go in to refugee / Muslim communities due to the high risk and political backlash / incentivations.  It's not hate when it is the truth and the truth about the incredibly insane crime has been getting out.  A lot.  Integration isn't happening.  The experiment is a bust.

The same thing was said about Irish, Polish and German immigrants to New York in the late 1800s. African Americans in the 1900s and countless other groups throughout history. People are afraid when a new culture is mixed with their own. Some will demonize it and sometimes to gets so out of hand that genocides result.

The US and Europe both had roles in the destabilization of the middle east for decades. Now we have to deal with the issues it has spurred. What we cannot do is throw a tantrum any time our actions bite us in the ass and stop talking to our allies like 10 year olds. 

The effects of Brexit are already being felt and anyone who thought it was a good idea will have to face the harsh reality that threy have successfully destabilized the entire common market for the sake of their bigotry, ignorance and general disinterest in doing what's right over what will make them feel good.

[SurvivorNVL]

1 minute ago, Moress said:

The same thing was said about Irish, Polish and German immigrants to New York in the late 1800s. African Americans in the 1900s and countless other groups throughout history. People are afraid when a new culture is mixed with their own. Some will demonize it and sometimes to gets so out of hand that genocides result.

The US and Europe both had roles in the destabilization of the middle east for decades. Now we have to deal with the issues it has spurred. What we cannot do is throw a tantrum any time our actions bite us in the ass and stop talking to our allies like 10 year olds. 

The effects of Brexit are already being felt and anyone who thought it was a good idea will have to face the harsh reality that threy have successfully destabilized the entire common market for the sake of their bigotry, ignorance and general disinterest in doing what's right over what will make them feel good.

This is beyond just a culture.  This is, and while some will find it unpopular of a truth, an entire religion where nearly every major country, where the majority is Islamic, have a lack of basic human rights, the murder of the LGBT community through fire, gravity, and stoning, not to mention the -actual- oppression of women and any non-Islamic people.  
Independent countries will co-ordinate as they always have, but the mass-influx of immigrants need to just be sent home to fix their own countries, and we'll just have to stay the hell out for awhile.  If Europeans want the dem-socialist lifestyles, their welfare states will have to tax everyone 90% to support the new blood.

The effects of Brexit were expected.  The rebound is already beginning, it'll be touch and go, but the market always will sort itself out.  Trade deals will be made, and the true effect has begun - Swexit, Frexit, Dexit, Nexit, etc.  The E.U. will dissolve over the coming decade.  People decided on this day in the name of independence, freedom of economy, freedom to make their own choices, and be able to hold an actual democratic body responsible and not the faux-democracy that the E.U. is, and now, with this victory, the death-knell of the E.U. has begun, and the solidification of Nationalist Independent European countries has begun.

The experiment lasted longer than expected, though.

[pinksnowmanshandle]

9 minutes ago, Moress said:

The same thing was said about Irish, Polish and German immigrants to New York in the late 1800s. African Americans in the 1900s and countless other groups throughout history. People are afraid when a new culture is mixed with their own. Some will demonize it and sometimes to gets so out of hand that genocides result.

The US and Europe both had roles in the destabilization of the middle east for decades. Now we have to deal with the issues it has spurred. What we cannot do is throw a tantrum any time our actions bite us in the ass and stop talking to our allies like 10 year olds. 

The effects of Brexit are already being felt and anyone who thought it was a good idea will have to face the harsh reality that threy have successfully destabilized the entire common market for the sake of their bigotry, ignorance and general disinterest in doing what's right over what will make them feel good.

The biggest problem with the Muslim group of people is that there is a good portion of them that are violent and then there's a good portion of them that don't want to follow the laws of their new country and would rather their new country implement laws that are to their standards. I don't think all muslims are homophobic and misogynistic  scum but there's a good portion that are. Christianity and Judaism is just as bad but a lot of those people in the religions tend to not follow their religions to the word as well as a lot of Muslims do.

But I don't think immigrants in general are bad, they're very good. But at the same time the largest migrant group of the 21st century is kinda a mixed bag and a bit of a risk. 

 

I agree that leaving the EU won't solve the issues that the UK brought up. It has only caused a lot of uncertainty and what have you. 

[Master Disaster]

Came here to add an opinion about brexit, realise that most people are just bashing Muslims, left. 

[ChrisCross]

Britain

 

a trading based economy isolating itself. do you see the poblem?

70 years of piece and your just like "meh" ...

[ChrisCross]

i mean i like the british humor but that was a little bit too much...

[laminutederire]

3 hours ago, CostcoSamples said:

 

First of all, the issue with politician is that it's their employment, so they hold onto it like crazies, since it's their job, they live off that. Democracy has always been a pain in the ass, and frankly, we need non democratic decisions based on rationality, which politicians clearly don't have when it comes to common good!

 

As for the debt and everything... if the Europe is in bad shape because of that, everyone is, the US, Canada, China even India etc are all burdened by huge debts as well. Why? Because the economic system thrive on the creation of debt and because the money isn't well distributed. But that problem touches every country which is benefiting from the globalized economy.

 

First of all, nobody in the world is doing the right thing about Syria, but only the EU suffer from the consequences. But alas we deserve it, we helped north America doing shit in Syria and we're at least partly responsible for what happens there.

Secondly,  what the fuck is that vision of Islam? Not all Muslims aren't sharia enforcers. I am french and I don't see those evil islands you describe.

Don't talk to me like I'm stupid I know what it is. But I think I understood a bit more than you do. The problem isn't Islam or whatever. The real issue lies in our bad societies. If we had better societies, more equal societies, societies where everyone would be educated and would have a place, where their best interest will be protected and where some part of population weren't shit on,  we wouldn't have people turned into terrorists on our soils. A rational thinking would tell you that fighting terrorism isn't about fighting radical meatheads, it's about fixing the fundamental wrongs of our societies. Once you do that, ISIS isn't funded anymore, they can't recruit lost peoples, and they're basically left out as a weak minority, just like the neo-nazi community is a weak community.

[Nena Trinity]

British independence day! (welcome to the club its nice to have another nation that is not Russia near us who is not a part of the big EU) Good luck UK from Norway!

[Castdeath97]

3 hours ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Far from hate when many police agencies in Germany and France, won't go in to refugee / Muslim communities due to the high risk and political backlash / incentivations.  It's not hate when it is the truth and the truth about the incredibly insane crime has been getting out.  A lot.  Integration isn't happening.  The experiment is a bust.

Any sources for the no go zones in Germany and France, the snopes article you quoted in your post claims otherwise for France.

[Nexus]

1 hour ago, ChrisCross said:

a trading based economy isolating itself. do you see the poblem?

70 years of piece and your just like "meh" ...

You do realise we will still trade with the EU countries. We will most likely still remain in the common market. We just dont want to be part of the politic union.

Also we now have more freedom to trade with our other partners - commonwealth nations for example. If anything we are doing the opposite of isolating ourselves.

It was not the EU that was responsible for peace in Europe over the past 70 years that goes to NATO and the UN etc. 

Also it wasn't Britain that went around starting all the wars last century  

[Misanthrope]

4 hours ago, Moress said:

The same thing was said about Irish, Polish and German immigrants to New York in the late 1800s. African Americans in the 1900s and countless other groups throughout history. People are afraid when a new culture is mixed with their own. Some will demonize it and sometimes to gets so out of hand that genocides result.

The US and Europe both had roles in the destabilization of the middle east for decades. Now we have to deal with the issues it has spurred. What we cannot do is throw a tantrum any time our actions bite us in the ass and stop talking to our allies like 10 year olds. 

The effects of Brexit are already being felt and anyone who thought it was a good idea will have to face the harsh reality that threy have successfully destabilized the entire common market for the sake of their bigotry, ignorance and general disinterest in doing what's right over what will make them feel good.

Not the same: most of them didn't ask for sharia law. You don't need to demonize facts about Sharia Law it is pretty clear on it's stances on homosexuality, apostasy, (disturbing lack of) rights of women, etc.

[apm]

cameron will resign in october.

 

i wonder what they expected to happen after they leave.

cant this just hurt the economy, if they even have any except for the financial market in london, a few rockstar studios and beer.

 

maybe its just a marketing stunt for the new independence day movie...

[ChrisCross]

1 hour ago, Nexus said:

 

you realise that martin schulz said that if your out your really out. meaning you will have to renegotiate and guess what as a single country your not in the position to determine conditions! your not an empire anymore.

 

of course the european union is responsible for the peace in europe they even got the nobel peace prize for that! the nato is responsible for putting large amounts of fusion bombs in american army bases in germany. we dont want those and they are against our constitution. many germans are upset about that because those arent weapons against humans but rather against humanity. added to that they are doing a cold war with russia again. the nato doesnt stand for piece and the UN is just useless.

 

every german is aware of our countries history. thats why we support the eu so much. we never want anything like this to happen again. in the eu other countries help you if your having trouble, you just went the wrong way. your like a teenager who is running away from home!

[apm]

overview of the import/export stuff of the uk http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/gbr/

everyone would have to pay taxes on that.

 

what happens if scottland and north ireland wants to leave the uk and wants to join the eu again..

another referendum to leave the uk is pretty high now, as so many people voted to stay in the eu.

[Misanthrope]

49 minutes ago, ChrisCross said:

you realise that martin schulz said that if your out your really out. meaning you will have to renegotiate and guess what as a single country your not in the position to determine conditions! your not an empire anymore.

 

of course the european union is responsible for the peace in europe they even got the nobel peace prize for that! the nato is responsible for putting large amounts of fusion bombs in american army bases in germany. we dont want those and they are against our constitution. many germans are upset about that because those arent weapons against humans but rather against humanity. added to that they are doing a cold war with russia again. the nato doesnt stand for piece and the UN is just useless.

 

every german is aware of our countries history. thats why support the eu so much. we never want anything like this to happen again. in the eu other countries help you if your having trouble, you just went the wrong way. your like a teenager who is running away from home!

The thing is: you're so vehement about it you're in danger in swinging back fully to the other side eventually: so much self deprecation and self denial cannot end well eventually many people will start to react strongly to the German guilt thing and then it's back to a new Reich. Extremes of any kind are just never a good idea.