AMD Computex 2016 - Polaris and Zen Revealed

[Megazero]

1 minute ago, Energycore said:

I don't think we should care about utilization since it's less important than the actual performance of the card. Which we don't really know yet since they only benchmarked crossfire on a single game.

Which we wont know until the end of this month LOL. That's quite a long NDA given we already know the spec of the card.

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2 minutes ago, Energycore said:

I don't think we should care about utilization since it's less important than the actual performance of the card. Which we don't really know yet since they only benchmarked crossfire on a single game.

But you have to agree this is weird.  And remember scaling is a totally different thing.  Whether crossfire gets them 0% or 100% or by some miracle over 100% is one thing, but in all of those cases, utilization of both cards should be 100% or close to it, especially if they are trying to show off their full potential.

[hex4]

15 minutes ago, Energycore said:

I'm here with my 560 Ti looking at all you guys.

580 3GB, surprisingly good still at 1080p but not maxing everything

[Energycore]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

But you have to agree this is weird.  And remember scaling is a totally different thing.  Whether crossfire gets them 0% or 100% or by some miracle over 100% is one thing, but in all of those cases, utilization of both cards should be 100% or close to it, especially if they are trying to show off their full potential.

I agree it's weird. I'm just not going to say something with confidence before the 29th

[MoonSpot]

22 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

later on he said just the quote I had there alone. I think I missed the first 1 (or more)

Oh yea I see it now.  Did indeed say that at least twice after the quoted part.  Fairly shaky words to utter to the PC community regardless of the context, as it makes almost everyone's hair stand on end like some kind of conditioned response.

[Prysin]

2 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

But you have to agree this is weird.  And remember scaling is a totally different thing.  Whether crossfire gets them 0% or 100% or by some miracle over 100% is one thing, but in all of those cases, utilization of both cards should be 100% or close to it, especially if they are trying to show off their full potential.

iv'e had this with broken CF drivers before. Been running CF for 4 years now. This is not an unusual event when CF profiles break, sadly.

 

 

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1 minute ago, MoonSpot said:

Oh yea I see it now.  Did indeed say that at least twice after the quoted part.  Fairly shaky words to utter to the PC community regardless of the context, as it makes almost everyone's hair stand on end like some kind of conditioned response.

yeah I think in this case we know what they were getting at or trust them enough to just ignore bit, but out of context they may as well say "we promise to single-handedly destroy everything you love"  

[Energycore]

1 minute ago, Prysin said:

iv'e had this with broken CF drivers before. Been running CF for 4 years now. This is not an unusual event when CF profiles break, sadly.

How bad does it affect perofrmance when it breaks?

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2 minutes ago, Prysin said:

iv'e had this with broken CF drivers before. Been running CF for 4 years now. This is not an unusual event when CF profiles break, sadly.

 

 

Well at least we know that launch date isn't just picked arbitrarily for no reason; if they couldn't even run their launch demo properly, they clearly still have a bit of work to do

[Belgarathian]

4 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Well at least we know that launch date isn't just picked arbitrarily for no reason; if they couldn't even run their launch demo properly, they clearly still have a bit of work to do

Could have been a prototype cooler causing thermal issues... So they throttled them to 50% to keep thermals under control. I doubt it, but hey... possibility. 

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1 minute ago, Belgarathian said:

Could have been a prototype cooler causing thermal issues... So they throttled them to 50% to keep thermals under control. I doubt it, but hey... possibility. 

regardless, assuming they didn't pull some dirty trick with running the benchmarks at different settings, having CF 480s at 50% used match a 1080 is damn good... I'm excited to see what they can make out of them

[Energycore]

1 minute ago, Belgarathian said:

Could have been a prototype cooler causing thermal issues... So they throttled them to 50% to keep thermals under control. I doubt it, but hey... possibility. 

Coolers are usually much easier to design than GPUs though.

[Delicieuxz]

4 minutes ago, Belgarathian said:

Could have been a prototype cooler causing thermal issues... So they throttled them to 50% to keep thermals under control. I doubt it, but hey... possibility. 

It could also have been AMD wanting to boast by showing that they matched the GTX 1080 at only 50% utilization... but that would mean that a single RX 480 GPU would be as good as a GTX 1080 (in an async-heavy game).

 

There are a lot of unexplained things about AMD's Polaris presentation.

[Energycore]

1 minute ago, Delicieuxz said:

It could also have been AMD wanting to boast by showing that they matched the GTX 1080 at only 50% utilization... but that would mean that a single GPU would be as good as a GTX 1080 (in an async-heavy game).

 

There are a lot of unexplained things about AMD's Polaris presentation.

It's like we showed up to look at a stunt pilot in a plane and instead got a bunch of UFO photos.

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2 minutes ago, Energycore said:

It's like we showed up to look at a stunt pilot in a plane and instead got a bunch of UFO photos.

2 UFOs putting on half a show

[Misanthrope]

So for the same cost of a founders 1080 I can get 2 of these AND probably a cheap freesync monitor too? Fucking sold. Well not really, I want actual reviews, bench. etc. The works but it looks like a hit.

[Energycore]

1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

So for the same cost of a founders 1080 I can get 2 of these AND probably a cheap freesync monitor too? Fucking sold. Well not really, I want actual reviews, bench. etc. The works but it looks like a hit.

They did say they had a disruptive product.

 

Freesync being cheaper than Gsync is just icing in the cake.

[Misanthrope]

25 minutes ago, Megazero said:

Speaking of the 51% utilization... why? I mean if 2 480 run at only 51% can beat a 1080 then 1 single 480 at 10% should be able to to just slightly less than that right?... wait what? 

This was Ashes right? I think it's just being CPU bound at that point: DX12 optimized should really take advantage, probably far beyond even a current top of the line chip like the 5960x

 

But well remains to be seen once the benchmarks come.

[Mira Yurizaki]

If AMD's marketing strategy to the high-end is basically "buy two of our midrange cards!", then they better effin' address the issues of multi video card setups.

 

But then again, half the equation depends on the developers actually caring too.

[Energycore]

4 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

If AMD's marketing strategy to the high-end is basically "buy two of our midrange cards!", then they better effin' address the issues of multi video card setups.

 

But then again, half the equation depends on the developers actually caring too.

If one GPU can drive an OK experience and two are great for DX12 I'll pick up two. Just disable crossfire for non-DX12.

[Mira Yurizaki]

3 minutes ago, Energycore said:

If one GPU can drive an OK experience and two are great for DX12 I'll pick up two. Just disable crossfire for non-DX12.

But again, it also depends on what the developers do as well. I don't think multi-GPU scaling is something you get for free with every game.

[Belgarathian]

23 minutes ago, Energycore said:

They did say they had a disruptive product.

 

Freesync being cheaper than Gsync is just icing in the cake.

I honesty believe that freesync is AMDs most disruptive technology. Since it doesn't cost (like their Xfire) the manufacturers to classify their products as freesync compatible, it's going to be implemented in a larger ranger of monitors than G-Sync. There is no reason that Nvidia won't support it at a later date, but right now it's a compelling reason to buy AMD given that a Freesync monitor is $200 more affordable than a G-Sync monitor at the moment. 

 

LoL, or any other popular twitch games with a 144hz 1440p Freesync display and a RX 480 would be a force to be reckoned with. 

[bcredeur97]

49 minutes ago, Energycore said:

do they work in crossfire?!

yeah! perfectly. I actually have very little issues apart from general issues with having older cards. And the normal CF issues (like black screens in CS:GO lol)

[Energycore]

Just now, bcredeur97 said:

yeah! perfectly. I actually have very little issues apart from general issues with having older cards. And the normal CF issues (like black screens in CS:GO lol)

damn. That's pretty cool. I might pick up two RX 480s for my upgrade. And a 144Hz monitor.

[RagnarokDel]

24 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

This was Ashes right? I think it's just being CPU bound at that point: DX12 optimized should really take advantage, probably far beyond even a current top of the line chip like the 5960x

 

But well remains to be seen once the benchmarks come.

6700k is better for gaming tho

7 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

yeah! perfectly. I actually have very little issues apart from general issues with having older cards. And the normal CF issues (like black screens in CS:GO lol)

Crossfire is cool when it's 2 cards but a dual GPU card sometimes sucks getting less performance than a single card of the same power lol. At least now you can disable crossfire on problematic games, even on dual gpu cards