Microsoft makes Windows 10 a 'recommended update' for Windows 7 and 8.1 users

[SansVarnic]

53 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Yeah, So long as Insiders  keep insiding (Insiding is now a verb for providing feedback) then it will mature quickly. They want 1 Billion Windows 10 devices by 2-3 years.

I am an insider so, I indirectly make your windows experience better.

Doesn't matter, I am an insider myself (not as active now as I was during the preview days) but the point is you are not making a worthy point here or have not made a point worth making and has not contributed to the discussion. You missed the context of which the post I made that you quoted.

[ShadowCaptain]

Honestly aside from a few specific reasons, I dont see why everyone is not on W10, its on everything at home now and I am happier for it

[Belgarionbg]

8 minutes ago, ShadowCaptain said:

I dont see why everyone is not on W10

Really? I don't want to be spied, and I want full control over my OS. Which is not the case with that W10 fail.

 

[ShadowCaptain]

7 minutes ago, Belgarionbg said:

Really? I don't want to be spied, and I want full control over my OS. Which is not the case with that W10 fail.

Dont start with the whole privacy thing, since i never bought it up, and also those privacy concerns are also now levelled at 7 and 8 since they were retrospectively added anyway plus every single internet service you use is potentially another place and way you can be "spied" on - I am afraid i dont bow down to my tin foil hat

I do agree its a concern, but its bigger a bigger issue than upgrading to W10, its a global issue that needs to be addressed regardless

Full control? Like what? not found anything on 10 I do not have control over, and 99% of people would not notice this either

[MrDynamicMan]

I find nothing wrong with this. We're all seeing this from our techy knows-whats-up vantage point, but I know alot of people who thought downloading w10 was pirating, didnt even know about it, etc.

This is simply to get the un-techy people who are behind the curve to realise that this thing is, indeed, a thing. 

[GoodBytes]

47 minutes ago, Belgarionbg said:

Really? I don't want to be spied, and I want full control over my OS. Which is not the case with that W10 fail.

 

Telemetry data is a different world than spying. They are 2 completely different things.

[TorqueS]

OFFTOPIC somehow:
Well, @Trik'Stari pointed out something on the previous page that makes sense to me now.I've been on Windows 10 from the day it launched and I didn't notice anything linked to that telemetry and data sending shit. I thought it was because I used those regedits and tweaking tools to disable them. WRONG! It was because my internet back home(1Gbps down + 200Mbps up) was too fast to get slowed down by that traffic.

Where I'm at now, I have 20Mbps down and 1Mbps up. And as @Trik'Stari gets DNS errors leading to "no internet access", so do I. But it's so random I can't even...

Sometimes it works for 2,3 days without errors, then one day...it bombards me with like 6-7 DNS crashes in two hours time span. It's annoying. Fortunately the solution on my side is either upgrading the damn connection or roll back to W7/W8.1, which I wouldn't personally want. I do like W10 and had 0 driver related issues(except for the Killer lan leak, but that was a KiLLER software related problem)

 

ONTOPIC (finally):
A bit of a d**k move from M$ i'd say. While I understand their goal(to move everyone on W10 so that they won't need to develop updates for the other OSs, thus focusing just on one OS), they don't seem to understand that such a migration doesn't happen in a few days, months. And I say that because of the business environment state. That's where the problem lies.

Most of the home users have little amounts of important data, that can be easily backed up and transferred onto the new OS, but companies, wooo...that's another story. 
Upgrading all clients, migrating data, establishing networks etc etc...it takes time, money and effort to do. 

M$, calm your t**s would ya'?

[GoodBytes]

The DNS issue has to do with the shitty modem he has from his ISP. Here in Canada, we have Bell, and they love to continue to use the shitty company 2Wire which declared bankrupt years ago, modem/router 2-in-1 crap box, which is an insult to humanity to do either. I used to have, and so is work, and many people I have fixed computer. Every time ,I search and open results page in a new tab on the back, half of them don't even load with "Server not found" errors, and if I go too fast, with other users doing this, the freaking modem/router would crash and takes AGES to reboot, and re-connect.

The fix is simple, use your OWN router, and not the built-in one, and in your router configurations, set it to use Google (as it is free) DNS server. Problem solved!

Or you know.. CHANGE ISP! Vote with your wallet, if you can. Let that company fail until they update their equipment.

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

7 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

-snip-

can you please snip long quotes ? 

[Sauron]

8 hours ago, SansVarnic said:

It is, but just not always. Windows 10 is a different beast than Win7 or 8.1. With it still in its infancy there are a lot of programs and drivers that don't support fully or work well within the Win10 atmosphere. As the OS matures the more adapted software developers will conform and adapt their software to the Win10 environment. For those of decent tech backgrounds, Win10 is easy to conform to but those like my grandfather wont be able to do so and having the system upgrade as an update won't bode well for them. Beside iOS and android upgrades are not so fluid either. 

Those problems can get solved faster with a widespread adoption, if everyone sticks to older operating systems MS will be stuck with fragmentation once more and that's not good for the OS. If a few non-techies' facebook habits need to be sacrificed on the altar of better security for everyone, so be it.

[Sauron]

1 hour ago, Belgarionbg said:

Really? I don't want to be spied, and I want full control over my OS. Which is not the case with that W10 fail.

 

If you think older versions of windows are some sort of temples of privacy you are sorely wrong. Windows has always sent data back to microsoft (as has mac os) and windows 7 and 8 now have the exact same telemetry as windows 10. Besides, Microsoft is not just helping themselves to your private data - they are collecting anonymous information on what programs you generally use and what hardware you run, plus some runtime information to spot bugs. Even enterprises, which arguably have a lot more to hide than you do, have no reason to worry because MS does't even touch their files.

If you still aren't convinced and you agree with that quote you posted, switch to linux, because that's the only way to have none of that. Or are you suddenly less determined because games are more important to you than "privacy"?

Same goes for full control, windows 10 givs no less control to the user tha previous iterations. If you want more, linux is the only answer.

[Nexxus]

2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

If you think older versions of windows are some sort of temples of privacy you are sorely wrong. Windows has always sent data back to microsoft (as has mac os) and windows 7 and 8 now have the exact same telemetry as windows 10. Besides, Microsoft is not just helping themselves to your private data - they are collecting anonymous information on what programs you generally use and what hardware you run, plus some runtime information to spot bugs. Even enterprises, which arguably have a lot more to hide than you do, have no reason to worry because MS does't even touch their files.

If you still aren't convinced and you agree with that quote you posted, switch to linux, because that's the only way to have none of that. Or are you suddenly less determined because games are more important to you than "privacy"?

and thats not even a guarantee 

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-amazon-ads-and-data-leaks

[Sauron]

29 minutes ago, Nexxus said:

and thats not even a guarantee 

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-amazon-ads-and-data-leaks

If you know what you're doing that's not a concern. Also, that's 4 year old news, ubuntu got rid of that some time ago.

[Nexxus]

1 minute ago, Sauron said:

If you know what you're doing that's not a concern. Also, that,s 4 year old news, ubuntu got rid of that some time ago.

I know its gone and not new news, the point is "get linux" is no a be all end all either

[AlTech]

1 hour ago, ShadowCaptain said:

Honestly aside from a few specific reasons, I dont see why everyone is not on W10, its on everything at home now and I am happier for it

Same. In fact, it made my desktop boot up faster thanks to Fast Boot.

 

And also made my SSD into the modern era by making it GPT and not MBR.

[suicidalfranco]

7 minutes ago, Nexxus said:

I know its gone and not new news, the point is "get linux" is no a be all end all either

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand ubuntu =/= all of linux.

 

[Nexxus]

Just now, suicidalfranco said:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand ubuntu =/= all of linux.

 

Did I say it was? Please show me where I did.

[TorqueS]

43 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

The DNS issue has to do with the shitty modem he has from his ISP. Here in Canada, we have Bell, and they love to continue to use the shitty company 2Wire which declared bankrupt years ago, modem/router 2-in-1 crap box, which is an insult to humanity to do either. I used to have, and so is work, and many people I have fixed computer. Every time ,I search and open results page in a new tab on the back, half of them don't even load with "Server not found" errors, and if I go too fast, with other users doing this, the freaking modem/router would crash and takes AGES to reboot, and re-connect.

The fix is simple, use your OWN router, and not the built-in one, and in your router configurations, set it to use Google (as it is free) DNS server. Problem solved!

Or you know.. CHANGE ISP! Vote with your wallet, if you can. Let that company fail until they update their equipment.

The connection here is very old(people that lived here before me didn't need a fast internet connection), so old that I have a coaxial cable coming into sort of an ONT that then divides the signal to  phone and internet and i'm 100% positive, that little sucker is responsible(with aid from the accelerated background traffic from W10). 

That thing only has one RJ-45 connector, so yeah...stupidly old. I'd change the ISP and fly directly back to Gigabit, rather than bothering with getting this little thing work.

[suicidalfranco]

2 minutes ago, Nexxus said:

Did I say it was? Please show me where I did.

[Nexxus]

Just now, suicidalfranco said:

Yup, thats what I said and nowhere does it say ubuntu is every single distro of linux out there, 

[AlTech]

2 minutes ago, Nexxus said:

Yup, thats what I said and nowhere does it say ubuntu is every single distro of linux out there, 

But the internet thinks Linux = Ubuntu.

 

When in fact Ubuntu != Linux.

People are just saying things out of their ass.

[Sauron]

26 minutes ago, Nexxus said:

I know its gone and not new news, the point is "get linux" is no a be all end all either

Again, if you know what you're doing that sort of thing is not a problem and if you don't, you won't have a good time on linux anyway. Linux is potentially (and usually ot of the box) completely impervious to this sort of thing, and that's all that counts in this case.

[Nexxus]

Just now, Sauron said:

Again, if you know what you're doing that sort of thing is not a problem and if you don't, you won't have a good time on linux anyway. Linux is potentially (and usually ot of the box) completely impervious to this sort of thing, and that's all that counts in this case.

I agree that yes it would be fixable, but well I have never used any linux distro but id be willing to say if you were the type (like me) to jump on the latest OS ASAP and you dont have said "fixes" in place (which you probably dont since many would feel no need to due to their OS type) you would be caught off guard in a situation like this where your OS update introduced these features in, and yes while it could be fixed its still out there now and the user was "spied" on.

Thats more specificly what im refering to here, just cause you can fix it, doesn't mean users were not unwillingly introduced to it via the OS update process and that can happen with any linux distro, it probably wont cause of the ubuntu backlash that happened. but it certainly could.

[Sauron]

1 minute ago, Nexxus said:

I agree that yes it would be fixable, but well I have never used any linux distro but id be willing to say if you were the type (like me) to jump on the latest OS ASAP and you dont have said "fixes" in place (which you probably dont since many would feel no need to due to their OS type) you would be caught off guard in a situation like this where your OS update introduced these features in, and yes while it could be fixed its still out there now and the user was "spied" on.

Thats more specificly what im refering to here, just cause you can fix it, doesn't mean users were not unwillingly introduced to it via the OS update process and that can happen with any linux distro, it probably wont cause of the ubuntu backlash that happened. but it certainly could.

Aside from the fact no linux distribution pushes the update on you at any point (especially if you have a stable release), you can literally check exactly what is being installed with any update and stop the packages you don't want from upgrading.

On top of that ubuntu is corporation based, someone who is obsessed with privacy would go for other projects like fedora (which is also corporation based, but takes a strong stance against any non-free software), debian or arch. Arch only includes the base system and what you chose to install, you can be sure nobody will try to introduce shady software in without your permission.

[Master Disaster]

9 hours ago, SansVarnic said:

Win10 and Win7 are different OS's. When Win10 was released it was released as a different Software all together. Just by changing the technical definition of what an upgrade is just to pass on a different OS to those that do not want it is not legal its called fraud. I know you not from the US but Microsoft is and its is bound by US law.

Err, there is nothing fraudulent about forcing an OS upgrade. Also Microsoft are not "bound by US law", they're an international company and as such have to abide by the laws that apply to the country the end user resides in. I live in England, Microsoft cannot hold me to American legislation and have to abide by UK sales and consumer protection laws in order to trade here.

Forcing an OS upgrade would certainly be unethical but Illegal? I struggle to see how anybody could argue that to be true. As long as the end product functions in the same way (or better) than the product it replaced and all data was still intact the consumer wouldn't have an argument to make.