Pirates are successfully upgrading to Windows 10 for free

[Dabombinable]

You also said "more than any other Windows OS." Yet, you've only mentioned two things...

 

It's a testament to how badly MS is able to screw things up that they can make a free OS not worth it, though. That's just amazing. Windows 7 is confirmed to be the new XP at this point.

Its quite easy to see what I mean if you've used nearly all of them (missed out on early NT versions) and seen the OS slowly get to the point that its locked down as badly as Windows 10.

[Hawx]

Forcing updates and effectively automating another part of the OS and removing user control of it is what I mean by dumbing down, that and hiding settings so that they are more difficult to find.

http://www.eteknix.com/windows-10-will-include-tool-block-updates/

 

You have the same control as any other MS OS. I've lost nothing upgrading to W10. It seems the only thing getting "dumbed down" is you.

[Dabombinable]

http://www.eteknix.com/windows-10-will-include-tool-block-updates/

 

You have the same control as any other MS OS. I've lost nothing upgrading to W10. It seems the only thing getting "dumbed down" is you.

Case and point: You need an extra 'tool' to do the same damn thing you could do from within windows update in previous OS. (Note, you could completely control updates, not just partially).

[Hawx]

Case and point: You need an extra 'tool' to do the same damn thing you could do from within windows update in previous OS. (Note, you could completely control updates, not just partially).

Because in general, you should never have to permanently stop updates outside of mission critical environments (Enterprise version). Is there any reason the average user needs to delay updates for more than 6 months? Outside of the tool, you still have the option to uninstall updates, and delay feature patches for a few months (while keep security patches enabled), so you know that it's been fully tested. It's a null-issue.

[LAwLz]

Because in general, you should never have to permanently stop updates outside of mission critical environments (Enterprise version). Is there any reason the average user needs to delay updates for more than 6 months? Outside of the tool, you still have the option to uninstall updates, and delay feature patches for a few months (while keep security patches enabled), so you know that it's been fully tested. It's a null-issue.

You kind of just proved his point when you had to resort to "the average user...".

They have sacrificed certain things to make the OS more friendly to "the average user".

[GoodBytes]

Not to mention the obviously large security issue that is forced updating. To anyone who says "no it's not", ask yourself WHY the enterprise edition comes without that "feature".

Because Microsoft has no choice. Companies won't upgrade to it if they don't have control. Simple as that.

Companies is what really is most of Microsoft revenue and marketshare, as they have great number of computers.

 

 

Not to mention that W10 appears to be a giant package of malware.

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/418021-according-to-8chans-tech-windows-10-could-be-fairly-malicious/page-1

As discussed inside, the moronic, unfounded, without a specs of any proof what's so ever, comes with possibilities scenarios that is not the reality. Just some Linux or Apple fanboy who is pissed off that Windows 10 is getting his attention and not his favorite OS.

Anyone can do the same: Android, iOS, MacOS can be potential malware and virus delivery system!

Hackers can hack the update servers to send fake OS updates to people with malware and viruses.

Can it happen? Sure, anything is possible. Has is happened since the day the Internet was born. No.

The chances that this of happening is slim to none.

[Hawx]

You kind of just proved his point when you had to resort to "the average user...".

They have sacrificed certain things to make the OS more friendly to "the average user".

Oh stop nitpicking. Nothing has been sacrificed, that's a ridiculous statement. Replace "The average user" with "anyone outside of a business or mission critical environment" if you're gonna be like that.

 

Jesus, what's with this forum's logic today?

"HOW DARE MICROSOFT FORCE ME TO PATCH ZERO-DAY EXPLOITS, UNACCEPTABLE, I WANT TO PERSONALLY DECIDE WHEN I FIX MY SECURITY HOLES"

[Trik'Stari]

You kind of just proved his point when you had to resort to "the average user...".

They have sacrificed certain things to make the OS more friendly to "the average user".

They sacrificed security, not a good compromise. Going to laugh when it bites them in the ass.

 

 

Because Microsoft has no choice. Companies won't upgrade to it if they don't have control. Simple as that.

Companies is what really is most of Microsoft revenue and marketshare, as they have great number of computers.

 

 

As discussed inside, the moronic, unfounded, without a specs of any proof what's so ever, comes with possibilities scenarios that is not the reality. Just some Linux or Apple fanboy who is pissed off that Windows 10 is getting his attention and not his favorite OS.

Anyone can do the same: Android, iOS, MacOS can be potential malware and virus delivery system!

Hackers can hack the update servers to send fake OS updates to people with malware and viruses.

Can it happen? Sure, anything is possible. Has is happened since the day the Internet was born. No.

The chances that this of happening is slim to none.

Still not worth upgrading right now. Too many sketchy things about it right now.

 

Oh stop nitpicking. Nothing has been sacrificed, that's a ridiculous statement. Replace "The average user" with "anyone outside of a business or mission critical environment" if you're gonna be like that.

 

Jesus, what's with this forum's logic today?

"HOW DARE MICROSOFT FORCE ME TO PATCH ZERO-DAY EXPLOITS, UNACCEPTABLE, I WANT TO PERSONALLY DECIDE WHEN I FIX MY SECURITY HOLES"

 

More like "I don't want to be forced to install something that ends up breaking my PC, or creating a security hole".

[FabulousOtter]

Not to mention the obviously large security issue that is forced updating. To anyone who says "no it's not", ask yourself WHY the enterprise edition comes without that "feature".

 

Not to mention that W10 appears to be a giant package of malware.

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/418021-according-to-8chans-tech-windows-10-could-be-fairly-malicious/page-1

 

Won't be surprised at all when that turns out to be true.

 

So having the OS apply updates (mainly security/stability) is in itself a security issue and leaving holes open to abuse is safer? The enterprise edition doesn't come with it because it's the enterprise edition. The logistics of updating potentially thousands of workstations and ensuring that all software is functional afterwards would be a nightmare. Giving corporations the choice of when to update is a good thing - why do you think military and governments all over the world still use XP...

 

Your second point came from an anonymous post on 8chan. No substance or evidence whatsoever.

[Trik'Stari]

So having the OS apply updates (mainly security/stability) is in itself a security issue and leaving holes open to abuse is safer? The enterprise edition doesn't come with it because it's the enterprise edition. The logistics of updating potentially thousands of workstations and ensuring that all software is functional afterwards would be a nightmare. Giving corporations the choice of when to update is a good thing - why do you think military and governments all over the world still use XP...

 

Your second point came from an anonymous post on 8chan. No substance or evidence whatsoever.

So your argument is "well if it fucks up your computer: not a big deal, corporations and governments: big deal".

 

Sorry but no. I'm not trusting microsoft to decide when to update my computer, because I for one can't afford to go without it.

[Nineshadow]

So your argument is "well if it fucks up your computer: not a big deal, corporations and governments: big deal".

 

Sorry but no. I'm not trusting microsoft to decide when to update my computer, because I for one can't afford to go without it.

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[79wjd]

To anyone who says "no it's not", ask yourself WHY the enterprise edition comes without that "feature".

Because updates are usually withheld due to compatibility issues -- not security concerns. 

[marldorthegreat]

I understand why some people might feel like they have to pirate, for example if they cannot afford a copy of Windows 7 or 8.1 at all. However, for those who pirate just because it's an option should really just buy the OS, it's a one time purchase.

Still, people cant affor $129 to waste on this, thats how much an average family spends per week on food. It is expensive, and if they want to do it it makes sense. 

[LAwLz]

Oh stop nitpicking. Nothing has been sacrificed, that's a ridiculous statement. Replace "The average user" with "anyone outside of a business or mission critical environment" if you're gonna be like that.

 

Jesus, what's with this forum's logic today?

"HOW DARE MICROSOFT FORCE ME TO PATCH ZERO-DAY EXPLOITS, UNACCEPTABLE, I WANT TO PERSONALLY DECIDE WHEN I FIX MY SECURITY HOLES"

Nothing has been sacrificed? So if I install Windows 10 will I still have just as much control over my computer as I currently have in Windows 7 or 8? have I lost some options for the sake of making the OS more fool proof? I think I have, and I am pretty sure that's what the other person meant with "dumber down".

Nice strawman at the end by the way.

 

 

Your second point came from an anonymous post on 8chan. No substance or evidence whatsoever.

People seriously need to stop with this bullshit. I looked into all of the claims made on 8chan and all of them were true. People need to stop assuming that the claims are false just because they are from a website you don't like. Look into it for yourself if you don't trust the source, don't just ignore the claims and assume they are wrong.

[Nineshadow]

People seriously need to stop with this bullshit. I looked into all of the claims made on 8chan and all of them were true. People need to stop assuming that the claims are false just because they are from a website you don't like. Look into it for yourself if you don't trust the source, don't just ignore the claims and assume they are wrong.

Yeah, those things do happen with Windows 10, but them being malware is a bit far-fetched. Sure, they could always be, but it's unlikely.

[Hawx]

More like "I don't want to be forced to install something that ends up breaking my PC, or creating a security hole".

 

Official LTT Conspiracy Theorist

 

I really hope you're a troll, no one could seriously make such an ignorant statement.

 

Your first point is irrelevant, it's what the deferred update setting is for. Everyone else will test, then you'll get it a few months later when you know it's been tested by everyone else. If you still don't want it, block it via the provided tool.

 

Your second point is just silly.

 

"I don't want to install security/feature updates incase it makes a security hole"

 

I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure unpatched systems are at a higher risk of security issues than patched system.

 

You're welcome to sit around on a fully unpatched system via the update blocker tool if you wish. Don't complain when your data gets stolen via an exploit that was fixed months ago.

 

 

Nothing has been sacrificed? So if I install Windows 10 will I still have just as much control over my computer as I currently have in Windows 7 or 8? have I lost some options for the sake of making the OS more fool proof? I think I have, and I am pretty sure that's what the other person meant with "dumber down".

 

Please provide me with a list of the items you have lost control over, and how that will affect you in the day-to-day operation of your computer. You've lost literally nothing. Making it so the tiny percent of people that request the ability to block all updates have to use a provided tool is a small price to pay over granny accidentally disabling windows update and getting her computer hacked.

[Misanthrope]

Please provide me with a list of the items you have lost control over, and how that will affect you in the day-to-day operation of your computer.

Disabling (not just turning them off one by one if you catch them in time or reverting afterwards with the provided, useless fucking tool) automatic updates without having to pay for the professional or enterprise version.

[79wjd]

Your second point is just silly.

 

"I don't want to install security/feature updates incase it makes a security hole"

 

I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure unpatched systems are at a higher risk of security issues than patched system.

Not always. 

[burnttoastnice]

http://www.eteknix.com/windows-10-will-include-tool-block-updates/

 

You have the same control as any other MS OS. I've lost nothing upgrading to W10. It seems the only thing getting "dumbed down" is you.

 

Oh stop nitpicking. Nothing has been sacrificed, that's a ridiculous statement. Replace "The average user" with "anyone outside of a business or mission critical environment" if you're gonna be like that.

 

So your argument is "well if it fucks up your computer: not a big deal, corporations and governments: big deal".

 

Sorry but no. I'm not trusting microsoft to decide when to update my computer, because I for one can't afford to go without it.

 

 

[LAwLz]

Yeah, those things do happen with Windows 10, but them being malware is a bit far-fetched. Sure, they could always be, but it's unlikely.

It is actually if you use Microsoft's own definition then Windows 10 is spyware.

 

 

Is the Customer Experience Improvement Program spyware?

No. Spyware can collect information or act on your computer without your full knowledge or consent. CEIP does not take actions other than those described in the Customer Experience Improvement Program Privacy Statement and you can choose to start or stop participating at any time.

 

That was about CEIP, which was an opt-in program to contribute data to Microsoft. A lot of people are unaware that Windows 10 collects information about their usage and Microsoft uses that info for ads as well as sharing the info with other companies.

 

 

 

Please provide me with a list of the items you have lost control over, and how that will affect you in the day-to-day operation of your computer. You've lost literally nothing. Making it so the tiny percent of people that request the ability to block all updates have to use a provided tool is a small price to pay over granny accidentally disabling windows update and getting her computer hacked.

I have lost control over what is being installed on my computer as well as control over what personal information is being sent to companies. That's not "literally nothing".

There are a lot of ways they could have made things default to protect the granny while still giving control to power users. Giving us more options in the local security policy settings for example, and give us a warning before we change things would make sure poor granny didn't accidentally change any setting for the worse.

[79wjd]

It is actually if you use Microsoft's own definition then Windows 10 is spyware.

 

 

That was about CEIP, which was an opt-in program to contribute data to Microsoft. A lot of people are unaware that Windows 10 collects information about their usage and Microsoft uses that info for ads as well as sharing the info with other companies.

By definition:

 

Spyware can collect information or act on your computer without your full knowledge or consent.

It's not spyware.

[TrigrH]

 

[flibberdipper]

And here I am with legit 8.1 not upgrading for at least 4 months until all the bugs are gone, and since my install is still really fresh.

 

I just want to find a Windows 10 crack so that I can use it in a VM and not waste one of my MSDN keys.

[LAwLz]

By definition:

 

It's not spyware.

I don't think most people have knowledge about the data collection going on in Windows 10. Just look at all the denial going on in the 8chan thread.

[Hawx]

Disabling (not just turning them off one by one if you catch them in time or reverting afterwards with the provided, useless fucking tool) automatic updates without having to pay for the professional or enterprise version.

 

sigh

 

Now we're back to the start of this issue again. In what situation, outside of Business/MC, and taking into account the defer update option, would you need to disable ALL updates including security patches? It's an irrelevant option for 95% of users.

 

 

Not always. 

 

But in a overwhelming majority of cases it's true. 

 

That was about CEIP, which was an opt-in program to contribute data to Microsoft. A lot of people are unaware that Windows 10 collects information about their usage and Microsoft uses that info for ads as well as sharing the info with other companies.

 

I have lost control over what is being installed on my computer as well as control over what personal information is being sent to companies. That's not "literally nothing".

There are a lot of ways they could have made things default to protect the granny while still giving control to power users. Giving us more options in the local security policy settings for example, and give us a warning before we change things would make sure poor granny didn't accidentally change any setting for the worse.

 

You can opt out of all information sending afaik.

 

Again, even for power users there shouldn't be any situations where you are required to opt-out of all updates, including security patches. If you are worried about feature patches causing issues, just defer them for a few months so they've been properly tested. If you know for a fact that something is gonna cause compatibility issues with your system, then permanently block it with the tool.