AMD almost worth a quarter of what it paid for ATI

[SurvivorNVL]

Well, if AMD gets bought out--atleast we can buy shares cheaply before then, and hopefully make a good profit off of anyone who may take interest.  Microsoft, IBM, Samsung, etc.  Someone better get them soon.. otherwise we may see some interesting things if it falls under.  nVidia with a possible x86 license, and Intel with actual dedicated GPU's.  

[Bob Jim]

Nvidia is a juggernaut with money. AMD can't do shit for R&D, that's why the past few generations of cards have been jokes. Nvidia has been ahead for years now. The only reason AMD is undercutting Nvidia in the low-end segment is so they can move any cards. Not because they're good.

I will agreed their RnD budget is trash. But Nvidia may have been ahead on the high end, but, MOST people want GPUs in the bang for the buck section, where AMD has better offerings atm.

[Atmos]

hbm was a flop as it is, the fury hardly performs better than the 390x in a few benchmarks. amd need to pull their finger out and make powerful yet efficient cpus, they might be making cpus and gpus for low end gaming but wheres the stuff for enthusiasts 

 

Fury x is actually toe to toe with the 980ti at 4k gaming mate. they each beat each other about 50/50. Where as the fury can even throw a couple saves on games beating the titan x. I wouldn't call that a failure in anyway. At 4k, it performs as specified. At 1080p? not so much.

 

Their deployment of it was a failure, they could not get enough yeilds out of the hbm cores to have them readily accessible to the market, other than that, the card is currently the third most powerful single-gpu card on the market.

[rafazafar]

I really hope some big as mothership takes amd and push them forward, i love thier open approach to things, even if its slightly costlier or slower. and it would be too sad to see cheap compute cards disappear.

[AlwaysFSX]

I will agreed their RnD budget is trash. But Nvidia may have been ahead on the high end, but, MOST people want GPUs in the bang for the buck section, where AMD has better offerings atm.

Again, they're only priced that low so AMD can move any amount of cards and not cause a monopoly with Nvidia. That also means they're hemorrhaging money.

[Master Disaster]

hbm was a flop as it is, the fury hardly performs better than the 390x in a few benchmarks. amd need to pull their finger out and make powerful yet efficient cpus, they might be making cpus and gpus for low end gaming but wheres the stuff for enthusiasts 

 

Nope, HBM is a huge success hence why Nvidia is adopting it next cycle.

 

What is a huge flop is AMDs implementation of the technology. They realised production was limited so instead of pushing HBM across a new range of cards (as everyone initially suspected) they did yet another rebrand run then glued the HBM cards on top as flagship models. The problem is it backfired because as you pointed out the highest rebrand card beats out the lowest flagship card meaning theres no reason for anyone to buy the Fury at all. The Fury X does make sense for people looking to drive 4K displays but thats such a small market share its useless to AMD so they're left with a product which they invested heavily in but which they can't sell as the cards don't fit into users systems in any meaningful way.

 

Now it has to be said Fury is a first generation card and as we all know first generation technology is always flawed in some way, remember the iPhone 1?

 

 

Hopefully as AMD work out how to use HBM properly things will get better in the future for them, the big worry is Nvidia coming along during HBM2 and destroying them on their first attempt. I honestly don't believe AMD would survive in the GPU market if that happened.

[arronleeds]

ive always been a fan of nvidia, ,the power efficiency is great, i was thinking about getting a fury next as i have a single 970 at the moment but if i can pick up another 970 for around the £200 mark thats what i will do, ive seen benchmarks where the fury only beats a 390x by like 3fps and benchmarks where the fury beats the 980. im going to wait for linus to review them because i dont believe either of the ones ive seen.

[Deletive]

Again, they're only priced that low so AMD can move any amount of cards and not cause a monopoly with Nvidia. That also means they're hemorrhaging money.

Everyone knows that both companies wanted to move to smaller nodes. No need for AMD to create new cards for a desktop sector that's going to get a die shrink soon after. NVidia has mobile chips to move. AMD not so much. It's pretty much expected that if you price things competitively they'll sell better. 

 

 

 

No way they're catching Intel. No way they're beating Nvidia. Their only hope is someone buying them out or they're in serious danger of dismantling. Only a miracle can save them now.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Because it's pretty easy to see you don't. 

Posts like these have no use in these discussions. 

 

[Misanthrope]

Fury X wasn't destroyed, it competes with the 980ti, which last time I checked was what a lot of people want AMD to do which was compete with it's competition. Zen isn't going to beat Skylake by any large margins or at all, It's going to compete with it. 

Fury however is compelling value. Not everyone overclocks though.

Exactly, funny how on this thread people say "Oh no goodbye cheap GPUs!" and on others they say "OMG so fucking bad it doesn't destroys the 980ti lol useless!"

[BarisERY]

this actually aint that bad if company's are intrested in buying AMD cheaper AMD gets more porbable it gets

[TroubleKlef]

This is what happens when you rely on your products being cheap rather than being better than the competition. Because what happens when your competition that has a superior product matches your price? Do you go cheap cheap? Well then you don't make any money.

[ManWithBeard1990]

Such a shame. And it was already announced the X86 license isn't transferable so we're pretty much fucked when it comes to monopolies.

[CTR640]

this actually aint that bad if company's are intrested in buying AMD cheaper AMD gets more porbable it gets

But Intel will hop in to protect AMD because Intel is scared of other authorities if I'm right.

Intel would be paying a shitload of money because of monopolyposition AND they have to renew the x86 lincenses.

I can be wrong though so if yes, please correct me.

[deviant88]

Funny thing they probably still believe "The future is fusion" ) 

The only thing  that can save AMD now is a Zen 8 core that beats any desktop i7 4790k or 6700k or on par in gaming/production while being at least 50$ cheaper, but still make them big profits.And a 6 core that beats the i5 again slightly cheaper.

If thats not what they have planned the only thing AMD should do is divide Radeon graphics into new division and sell everything else.

[asim1999]

Funny thing they probably still believe "The future is fusion" ) 

The only thing  that can save AMD now is a Zen 8 core that beats any desktop i7 4790k or 6700k or on par in gaming/production while being at least 50$ cheaper, but still make them big profits.And a 6 core that beats the i5 again slightly cheaper.

If thats not what they have planned the only thing AMD should do is divide Radeon graphics into new division and sell everything else.

Well a 16 core flagship with 64 PCI lanes is apparently coming 

[sof006]

I hope the GPU department splits from AMD and becomes ATi again (or under a new name) and starts to make genuinely good GPUs again with good driver support. Sick of them putting out these amazingly high end spec GPUs with crappy drivers to go with them to which they then blame everyone else and say its the developers fault or another companies fault...Not naming anyone in particular. 

 

 

PLEASE BRING BACK ATI!

[Nineshadow]

I hope the GPU department splits from AMD and becomes ATi again (or under a new name) and starts to make genuinely good GPUs again with good driver support. Sick of them putting out these amazingly high end spec GPUs with crappy drivers to go with them to which they then blame everyone else and say its the developers fault or another companies fault...Not naming anyone in particular. 

 

 

PLEASE BRING BACK ATI!

AMD is basically only ATI atm.

 

They haven't released a CPU in years. Aside from GPUs, only crappy APUs, the most important thing in them being the iGPU, so ATI again.

 

Zen is coming out soon. I wonder how that will be. 

[sof006]

AMD is basically only ATI atm.

 

They haven't released a CPU in years. Aside from GPUs, only crappy APUs, the most important thing in them being the iGPU, so ATI again.

 

Zen is coming out soon. I wonder how that will be. 

No. So basically ATI used to be on their own as a independent company but AMD bought them and rebranded them as AMD to stop confusion between brands just like Nvidia is just called Nvidia and Intel is just called Intel. What I am saying is I want the original team of ATi to split from AMD completely and just be called ATi again so they can go back to how they used to run things.... The correct way.

[bcredeur97]

Goodbye cheap graphics cards that run well

Goodbye good CPUs that are pretty much garbage these days

 

Only hope now is Zen...

I'm wondering myself if they will even make it that far O_O. What if they die before they have a chance to release Zen?

[Nineshadow]

No. So basically ATI used to be on their own as a independent company but AMD bought them and rebranded them as AMD to stop confusion between brands just like Nvidia is just called Nvidia and Intel is just called Intel. What I am saying is I want the original team of ATi to split from AMD completely and just be called ATi again so they can go back to how they used to run things.... The correct way.

I know. I was saying that AMD nowadays only does what ATI used to do : graphics processors.

[patrickjp93]

No. So basically ATI used to be on their own as a independent company but AMD bought them and rebranded them as AMD to stop confusion between brands just like Nvidia is just called Nvidia and Intel is just called Intel. What I am saying is I want the original team of ATi to split from AMD completely and just be called ATi again so they can go back to how they used to run things.... The correct way.

You mean running up massive debts and withholding their existence from investors and prospective buyers (AMD) while also having lousy driver release schedules? 

[ACatWithThumbs]

 

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Because it's pretty easy to see you don't. 

Posts like these have no use in these discussions. 

 

 

He isn't wrong though AMD can't compete with Intel it's simply impossible and anyone who actually thinks they could is dreaming and needs to take their fanboy glasses off.

The only chance of survival is the GPU side and even that is barely doable with how the company is right now.

 

[iamdarkyoshi]

Guess it make sense cos they only have low-end CPUs and that the Fury series was destroyed by the 980 Ti 

You might argue that watercooling will help with multi-GPU systems, but the tubes are hard to route due to being separate units and OCability is pretty much non-existent 

The fury was kinda a test of a new way to configure hardware. Look at the memory bandwidth.

[Yoinkerman]

If you think amd is doing bad now, wait until someone like Samsung buys it. They will be ravaged like a bleeding cow in a piranha tank.

[patrickjp93]

If you think amd is doing bad now, wait until someone like Samsung buys it. They will be ravaged like a bleeding cow in a piranha tank.

I'd still much rather see AMD split cross-wise between Nvidia and Intel. Nvidia's expressed x86 interest and intentions before, and Intel has tried to make dGPUs before. Give them each the IP and engineers with experience to do it and let them throw money at the problem. It's not good to try to compete against both Intel and Nvidia while being so strapped for cash.