Experiences with non-techies

[Bleedingyamato]

3 hours ago, wkdpaul said:

BTW, this whole conversation about Norton being useless comes from this article from CBC;

 

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/technology/antivirus-software-1.3668746

That article sounds like it was written by an idiot who thinks they don't need to keep their PC protected.

 

Antivirus doesn't give users an excuse to be careless but it's still an important tool for keeping your PC free of malware.

 

If Norton is so bad what options would you suggest that have the same features including a two way firewall that's user configurable and other active antivirus/antispyware/antimalware protection?

 

Like I told the other guy I'm willing to consider other options but I'd want something with the same features as Norton.  

 

Regardless of any flaws Norton does seem to have some nice active protection features that help keep users safe without having to wait until you are aired day infected to run a scan and hope no permanent damage has been done such as personal information being stolen.  It's not perfect but it has auto blocked some intrusion attempts into my computers over the years so unless I find something better I have no problem continuing to us it.

 

 

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How does computer?

[DocSwag]

2 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

How does computer?

[maulemall]

1 hour ago, wkdpaul said:

This article was published July 8th 2016 at 5am ... Norton is crap, and I talk from first hand experience, both with corporate and consumer grade solutions.

I don't doubt you at all. I got my first computer in 2001 and they had Norton on it and it took forever to get rid of it. Never used it since and have played hell uninstalling it on the 7 or 8 computers I have acquired or had to fix.

 

[BingoFishy]

14 hours ago, Bleedingyamato said:

I'm pretty sure I've heard Macafee or however you spell it is crap.  Is AVAST proven to be one the most effective AV programs?

 

(I'm not saying Norton is the best or that AVAST is bad just asking about it.)

 

I'd consider switching to something else besides Norton if I found an option that wasn't super expensive and one of the top rated in terms of effectiveness and variety of threats it defends against.

WebRoot

 

Interface is kinda clunky, but otherwise it's awesome.

[DocSwag]

1 hour ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

How does computer?

How do you find these? I recall you showed us one with someone holding a soldering iron by the metal part a little while back.... Do you bravely scour the Internet for hidden treasures of stupid computer related images to show us? Teach me pirate!

[TheNuzziNuzz]

I have a never ending need for screen space. My current setup has three 22 Inch displays. My setup is located in a section of my house were everybody can see it. Anytime we have a part of any kind, I get asked this question at least twice per hour:

 

"Why do you have three computers?"

[DocSwag]

Just found this goodie:

https://www.dreamstime.com/stock-photo-technician-working-broken-cpu-soldering-iron-his-office-image43639265

It says the technician is working on a broken CPU but his soldering iron is clearly on the mobo....

[RahulR]

4 minutes ago, TheNuzziNuzz said:

I have a never ending need for screen space. My current setup has three 22 Inch displays. My setup is located in a section of my house were everybody can see it. Anytime we have a part of any kind, I get asked this question at least twice per hour:

 

"Why do you have three computers?"

And I'm just sitting here with a single 19" 1440x900...

[DocSwag]

Holy crap now that I look there's so many funny computer stock images out there:

 

hmmmm...... The retention arm on my CPU socket isn't working too well.... Maybe I should resolder it?

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30 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

How do you find these? I recall you showed us one with someone holding a soldering iron by the metal part a little while back.... Do you bravely scour the Internet for hidden treasures of stupid computer related images to show us? Teach me pirate!

This one was posted here on the forum:

https://linustechtips.com/main/profile/165091-manikyath/?status=139866&type=status

And I don't think I was the one who found that bad soldiering picture...

[DocSwag]

5 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

This one was posted here on the forum:

https://linustechtips.com/main/profile/165091-manikyath/?status=139866&type=status

And I don't think I was the one who found that bad soldiering picture...

Oh ok. Not sure who posted that soldering picture then  

 

Anyhow, I just found this collection: http://m.imgur.com/a/dRlR3.....

SERIOUSLY WHY IN THR WORLD ARE YOU USING A FRICKIN SOLDERING  IRON ON A CPU SOCKET JUST NO.

[Sharkersuper123]

One of my friends wanted to play minecraft on my pc and he tried to turn on the computer by pressing the power button on the monitor and he told me it wasn't working oh yeah and we connect the pc to a power bar and he forget to turn that on too

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2 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Oh ok. Not sure who posted that soldering picture then  

 

Anyhow, I just found this collection: http://m.imgur.com/a/dRlR3.....

SERIOUSLY WHY IN THR WORLD ARE YOU USING A FRICKIN SOLDERING  IRON ON A CPU SOCKET JUST NO.

Yeah that's stock photography for you.  They make up a bunch of generic "tech-looking" pictures that would seem fancy to managers in a powerpoint  

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16 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Holy crap now that I look there's so many funny computer stock images out there:

 

 

hmmmm...... The retention arm on my CPU socket isn't working too well.... Maybe I should resolder it?

Did you also notice the soldering "smell" is going up right into his nose?  

 

3 minutes ago, Sharkersuper123 said:

One of my friends wanted to play minecraft on my pc and he tried to turn on the computer by pressing the power button on the monitor and he told me it wasn't working oh yeah and we connect the pc to a power bar and he forget to turn that on too

well why was the power bar turned off?

[Bleedingyamato]

3 hours ago, maulemall said:

I don't doubt you at all. I got my first computer in 2001 and they had Norton on it and it took forever to get rid of it. Never used it since and have played hell uninstalling it on the 7 or 8 computers I have acquired or had to fix.

 

You're supposed to use Norton's removal tool for whichever software of theirs that you use.  If you didn't use then no offense but it technically would've been your fault you ran into trouble.  I've always used the correct removal tool and never had any trouble removing Norton before installing the new version each year.  Been doing that since 2006.

[BingoFishy]

A while back I remember someone I knew said their parents weren't going to upgrade to Windows 10. Instead, they'd wait for the next windows.

 

I explained the fact that windows 10 is the last windows Microsoft will make.

[cummerou1]

18 minutes ago, BingoFishy said:

A while back I remember someone I knew said their parents weren't going to upgrade to Windows 10. Instead, they'd wait for the next windows.

 

I explained the fact that windows 10 is the last windows Microsoft will make.

Wait, it is? Any reason why?

[BingoFishy]

7 minutes ago, cummerou1 said:

Wait it is? Any reason why?

Windows is now considered a service rather than a product by Microsoft.

[Bleedingyamato]

4 minutes ago, BingoFishy said:

Windows is now considered a service rather than a product by Microsoft.

What does that mean in terms of future versions?

[soldier_ph]

https://www.google.ch/search?q=soldering+stock&biw=2560&bih=1303&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiN95DLx-fNAhVFWRQKHatNDIUQ_AUICCgB#imgrc=h_ZZ4sHd5zD5-M%3A

 

This is also Stupid

[Clanscorpia]

7 minutes ago, Pascal... said:

https://www.google.ch/search?q=soldering+stock&biw=2560&bih=1303&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiN95DLx-fNAhVFWRQKHatNDIUQ_AUICCgB#imgrc=h_ZZ4sHd5zD5-M%3A

 

This is also Stupid

Look at this. Its legit cringe

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2 hours ago, Bleedingyamato said:

What does that mean in terms of future versions?

 

2 hours ago, cummerou1 said:

Wait, it is? Any reason why?

 

Don't think of it as "Windows 10", think of it as just "Windows".  It will continually receive incremental updates, but according to MS there won't be any major revisions like they used to do.  This is the last one. People who are holding out on 10 are just relegating themselves to obsolescence.

[WkdPaul]

4 hours ago, Bleedingyamato said:

You're supposed to use Norton's removal tool for whichever software of theirs that you use.  If you didn't use then no offense but it technically would've been your fault you ran into trouble.  I've always used the correct removal tool and never had any trouble removing Norton before installing the new version each year.  Been doing that since 2006.

I think you didn't read his post correctly;

 

7 hours ago, maulemall said:

*snip* computers I have acquired or had to fix.

 

When you buy used or pre-builds, you don't have the choice of what's already installed. Same with PCs you're tasked to fix.

[WkdPaul]

8 hours ago, Bleedingyamato said:

That article sounds like it was written by an idiot who thinks they don't need to keep their PC protected.

 

Antivirus doesn't give users an excuse to be careless but it's still an important tool for keeping your PC free of malware.

That was actually my initial post about sharing this article; that it was completely ridiculous and apparently written by idiots.

 

Also they mention that Norton has lots of flaws that actually makes a PC less secure, that's why I mentioned that I knew this when studying IT 15 years ago.

 

And I totally agree, having an anti-virus software isn't an excuse to be careless!

 

 

8 hours ago, Bleedingyamato said:

If Norton is so bad what options would you suggest that have the same features including a two way firewall that's user configurable and other active antivirus/antispyware/antimalware protection?

 

Like I told the other guy I'm willing to consider other options but I'd want something with the same features as Norton.

Sorry, I don't get the 2-way firewall thing, Windows is a 2 way firewall, same about the majority of firewalls out there, seems Symantec is doing their usual marketing BS with this one.

 

BTW, there are no universal "one software solution" and there is no real best anti-virus, I can't tell you about what to choose because you're the one that know what features you need or not.

 

A good (but old) guide to help is one made by BleepingComputers (maybe there's such a guide here on LTT, I don't know);

 

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/407147/answers-to-common-security-questions-best-practices/

 

 

8 hours ago, Bleedingyamato said:

Regardless of any flaws Norton does seem to have some nice active protection features that help keep users safe without having to wait until you are aired day infected to run a scan and hope no permanent damage has been done such as personal information being stolen.  It's not perfect but it has auto blocked some intrusion attempts into my computers over the years so unless I find something better I have no problem continuing to us it.

That's how good or even the "run of the mill" mediocre anti-virus works, they aren't supposed to wait for you to be infected to give you a warning.

 

 

All I can tell you is what I'm using personally;

 

Bitdefender (free)

Spybot (for the host file immunization, I turn off the rest)

Malwarebytes (for a monthly check)

My router's firewall (I always turn off Windows firewall)

 

... and I never got a virus, in decades, but then I don't torrent games and programs, I don't click weird links, and I have an agressive email filtering, all logical things if you ask me but apparently it's not the case for everyone! lol

Edited July 10, 2016 by wkdpaul
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