Nvidia Geforce GTX 980 Ti with Full GM200 Core Ready – Planned for September Launch

[Misanthrope]

It will be a nice battle: 390x vs 980ti, can't hardly wait!

[sgloux3470]

this is unlikely,it would undercut the TITAN X so hardly for no reason.

 

 

 

The 970 they could justify it because it got a lot of people to replace their perfectly fine 7xx series GPU's and there was always going to be a small market for the 980, but a 980 Ti will compete with both the TitanX and the regular 980 and butcher the sales of both.

 

The only reason to do this is if AMD's got the 980 beat bad and they needed something more reasonably priced to compete with it than the TitanX.  

 

I think this is more wishful thinking than anything.

[bob345]

I still see no logical reason why this card will exist. Nvidia would just be undercutting themselves which would be a poor business decision.

[Nowak]

Why would they destroy their Titan X market?

Because people think that because there was a 780 Ti there must be a 980 Ti now.

 

imo people are getting hyped up over nothing.

[flibberdipper]

I wonder how this will play out.

[Commander Llama]

This seems more like a clickbait article, no?  Like a reasonable guess at what a hypothetical 980Ti might have spec-wise, heck the same estimates come up on LTT threads.

[MeDownYou]

Its basic ly a titan X with less vram and non reference coolers.

BRING ON THE OVERCLOCKS.

doesn't bring much to the table then as water cooled titan x's would clock the same and have more vram

[d3sl91]

For all you "why would the undercut" bla bla bla. 

 

They have already done this before.... its how the market works. 

 

GK110 GTX Titan: Feb 19, 2013 $1000
GK110 GTX 780ti November 7, 2013 $699

 

GM200 GTX Titan X: March 17, 2015 $1000

GM200 GTX 980ti: Fall 2015 $699

 

Look familiar? 

 

Titan = Compute Card. People will still buy it for the 12GB ram and other features. 

980ti = Gaming card. People will buy it because its better than the 980, but not OP like the X...

[Godlygamer23]

thought the full core has already been used.

No. They used the GM204 core previously. This is a completely different core. GM200.

[Notional]

For all you "why would the undercut" bla bla bla. 

 

They have already done this before.... its how the market works. 

 

GK110 GTX Titan: Feb 19, 2013 $1000

GK110 GTX 780ti November 7, 2013 $699

 

GM200 GTX Titan X: March 17, 2015 $1000

GM200 GTX 980ti: Fall 2015 $699

 

Look familiar? 

 

Titan = Compute Card. People will still buy it for the 12GB ram and other features. 

980ti = Gaming card. People will buy it because its better than the 980, but not OP like the X...

 

Titan Black is what the 780ti undercut, but at least the titan Black had proper double precision compute, but yeah Titan cards, have always been "Snow" acards, and they know nothing.

 

Titan X, a compute card at 1/32 double precision? What a joke, getting beat by a midend AMD APU. The Titan X IS 980ti, but with an even more insane pricepoint, as come to be expected from nvidia.

[Godlygamer23]

Titan Black is what the 780ti undercut, but at least the titan Black had proper double precision compute, but yeah Titan cards, have always been "Snow" acards, and they know nothing.

 

Titan X, a compute card at 1/32 double precision? What a joke, getting beat by a midend AMD APU. The Titan X IS 980ti, but with an even more insane pricepoint, as come to be expected from nvidia.

The lack of proper FP64 compute abilities makes me dislike the Titan X a lot.

[d3sl91]

Titan Black is what the 780ti undercut, but at least the titan Black had proper double precision compute, but yeah Titan cards, have always been "Snow" acards, and they know nothing.

 

Titan X, a compute card at 1/32 double precision? What a joke, getting beat by a midend AMD APU. The Titan X IS 980ti, but with an even more insane pricepoint, as come to be expected from nvidia.

Very True. 

 

I have always laughed at the Titan, and probably always will, as being an overpriced "look at me and how much money/how stupid I am" type item. Most people who need actual compute cards, wont be buying this. And folks who need pseudo-compute cards, can just buy a 970/980 for their gpu-accelerated rendering. I suppose enough buy them to warrant their production though!

[Godlygamer23]

Very True. 

 

I have always laughed at the Titan, and probably always will, as being an overpriced "look at me and how much money/how stupid I am" type item. Most people who need actual compute cards, wont be buying this. And folks who need pseudo-compute cards, can just buy a 970/980 for their gpu-accelerated rendering. I suppose enough buy them to warrant their production though!

The Titan was a good cheap "Quadro" card. That was its point - The K6000 is 6 grand. That's a lot of money to drop compared to the Titan's $1,000 price point.

[han_han08]

wonder what jayztwocents will get instead

[Blecter]

If this comes true I will take 2. As much as I'd like a Titan X, it's more cost effective for me to go either 980 SLI or this here rumoured 980Ti (SLI'd of course!).

[Blackie Sheen]

Oh didn't know that. I assumed the Titan series was for professionals therefore their fp64 performance was boosted compared to the rest of the geforce series...

Last gen was because they were basicly quadros with geforce drivers.  The Titan X is simply a gaming card with regular geforce drivers

[ItsAFeature]

Can't wait for them to release a Titan X Black if this is true. That would basically make the Titan X Black simply an overclocked Titan X.

[MrMineHeads]

YAAAAAAAAAS

[Merry]

There won't be a 980ti. But a gtx 990.

Then on next gen the chips partly broken that could have made 990 or titan x will produce something in between gtx 970 and 980. idk how they'll call them, 1070/1080 or 975/985 no idea.

Fyi to naysayers : titan X doesn't aim a market, but one goal : best performance at 4k, 4k surround and WQHD resolutions with a bit of futureproofing.
Don't compare the perf of the 295x2 to a titan X but to a titan X SLI, or compare 2 295X2 to 4way titan X : we know AMD are cheaper, but nvidia provides more, and actually provides what's needed (high enough fps in multi-gpu for high res) way better than 295x2 can). There is no point in defending 295x2 when what u want is a perfect 4k/5k w or w/o surround with gsync at high FPS, they just don't bring it in.
Add to that the fact the titan X can be watercooled and overclocked to 1400+ somewhat easily, the AMD has no competition to oppose for this particular "need / market"

GTX 990 will ofc be more expansive than what AMD will bring in soon, but that will be the better GPU to go for a 1 or 2 GPU system that has to provide the power for something like the acer xr341 or QHD high fps systems..
For that use, the vram of titan X is overkill, and tho they have (maybe, coz who knows maybe the gtx 990 is a partly disabled titan X?) tho they have the same chip, the 990 will have more headroom and customized cooling, which should suit more for this particular need.

[Merry]

Actually, what might make more sense, is the release of two cars before Volta :

a 990 and a 990ti.
990 sporting the cut-down chips of titan X and 990ti, and a 990ti with the specs announced as a 980 ti.

The specs, naming and all that's announced seems weird to me and poses some questions :
a) what will they do with cut-down chips
b) won't they release a bi-gpu card someday before volta to fit in small form factors to the intention of QHD/4k people?
c) why do everyone call them 980ti when it makes no sense
d) why do people think that Nvidia competes with AMD, when it's obvious Nvidia only competes with a market that's plumetting? (low sales, prices too high in europe, no need GPU for the commoners, ...)
e) when will prices of GPU go drastically down? We can see the trend with this Titan X sold for "only" 999 dollars

 

[d3sl91]

There won't be a 980ti. But a gtx 990.

Then on next gen the chips partly broken that could have made 990 or titan x will produce something in between gtx 970 and 980. idk how they'll call them, 1070/1080 or 975/985 no idea.

Fyi to naysayers : titan X doesn't aim a market, but one goal : best performance at 4k, 4k surround and WQHD resolutions with a bit of futureproofing.

Don't compare the perf of the 295x2 to a titan X but to a titan X SLI, or compare 2 295X2 to 4way titan X : we know AMD are cheaper, but nvidia provides more, and actually provides what's needed (high enough fps in multi-gpu for high res) way better than 295x2 can). There is no point in defending 295x2 when what u want is a perfect 4k/5k w or w/o surround with gsync at high FPS, they just don't bring it in.

Add to that the fact the titan X can be watercooled and overclocked to 1400+ somewhat easily, the AMD has no competition to oppose for this particular "need / market"

GTX 990 will ofc be more expansive than what AMD will bring in soon, but that will be the better GPU to go for a 1 or 2 GPU system that has to provide the power for something like the acer xr341 or QHD high fps systems..

For that use, the vram of titan X is overkill, and tho they have (maybe, coz who knows maybe the gtx 990 is a partly disabled titan X?) tho they have the same chip, the 990 will have more headroom and customized cooling, which should suit more for this particular need.

 

What do you mean by 990, do you mean a Dual-GPU unit like the 690 was? 

 

And what's your reasoning for saying no "ti"?

[Merry]

980 and the card announced are two different architectures : GM204 and GM200.

Previously, there has never been a XX0 and XX0ti with different architectures.
For instance, in last gen the 780 and the 780ti were what the 970 and the 980 are now : the 780/970 are cut-down chips, whose perfect chips went in 780ti and 980.

Thus the "980ti" makes no sense, ti means it's not a cut-down chip, and the 980 isn't a cut-down chip. But maybe they'll totally change their branding name and forget logic.

[d3sl91]

980 and the card announced are two different architectures : GM204 and GM200.

Previously, there has never been a XX0 and XX0ti with different architectures.

For instance, in last gen the 780 and the 780ti were what the 970 and the 980 are now : the 780/970 are cut-down chips, whose perfect chips went in 780ti and 980.

Thus the "980ti" makes no sense, ti means it's not a cut-down chip, and the 980 isn't a cut-down chip. But maybe they'll totally change their branding name and forget logic.

 

Okay, that was what I was assuming, makes sense.

[Dabombinable]

980 and the card announced are two different architectures : GM204 and GM200.

Previously, there has never been a XX0 and XX0ti with different architectures.

For instance, in last gen the 780 and the 780ti were what the 970 and the 980 are now : the 780/970 are cut-down chips, whose perfect chips went in 780ti and 980.

Thus the "980ti" makes no sense, ti means it's not a cut-down chip, and the 980 isn't a cut-down chip. But maybe they'll totally change their branding name and forget logic.

GTX 650 and the GTX 650ti were different. The  ti cards had a cut down GTX 660 GPU instead of a beefed up/full GTX 650 GPU.

[Opcode]

With the TITAN X only being ~33% faster than the GTX 980 things aren't looking good for Nvidia. The R9 290X is only ~15% slower than the GTX 980 while Fiji is 60% faster than Hawaii. That means Fiji is expected to be around 12% faster than the TITAN X before DirectX 12 optimized drivers. So Nvidia needs to squeeze 12% more performance out of the TITAN X just to remain competitive. Once Windows 10 launches it will be game over either way as AMD drivers will finally bring a threaded topology like Nvidia's.

 

980 and the card announced are two different architectures : GM204 and GM200.

Previously, there has never been a XX0 and XX0ti with different architectures.
For instance, in last gen the 780 and the 780ti were what the 970 and the 980 are now : the 780/970 are cut-down chips, whose perfect chips went in 780ti and 980.

Thus the "980ti" makes no sense, ti means it's not a cut-down chip, and the 980 isn't a cut-down chip. But maybe they'll totally change their branding name and forget logic.

Nvidia would essentially be lying down and taking it from AMD for the next year by doing that. It would only backfire on them twice as hard if Fiji happens to stomp out the TITAN X. AMD would claim the performance crown for the worlds fastest single GPU and if a GTX 990 came to be you can surely bet AMD would backfire with Bermuda. All this talk about a GTX 980 Ti with the same number of cores as the TITAN X with higher clocks and overall better performance is hinting at one thing, AMD caught Nvidia with their pants down. To the point they had to re-brand their highest performance card and factory overclock it to remain somewhat competitive. That's not even the start of it as GCN 1.3/2.0 is nearly as efficient as Maxwell (not quite but surely damn close in comparison to previous generations). It seems like Lisa Su being big in graphics manufacturing has pushed a lot of influence on their GPU department (as she is the temporary GM of that department).