The FCC has just released the rules it intends to use to protect the new Open Internet, in the form of a long document. Screw how long the document is

[WelshDdraig]

Original Article: http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/12/fcc-open-internet-order-net-neutrality/

 

 

A few weeks ago, The FCC voted to grant Net Neutrality, but their wording seemed a little confusing for some, until now.

The FCC has just released a 400 page document outlining the rule sit intends to use to protect the new Open Internet, for Net Neutrality.

 

But until now the public hasn't had the chance to pore over exactly what the FCC spent so much time deliberating on. The FCC has just released the full text of its Open Internet Order, which lays out its contentious vision for how the internet should be managed, along with each commissioner's affirming statement or dissent on the issue.

 

If you have got some spare time, you can read the whole document here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/258496522/FCC-Open-Internet-Order-February-2015

 

My Thoughts?

Its about time. I'm not American, but I can vaguely understand the idea behind Net Neutrality. Some of their wording during the verdict, did seem a bit ambiguous. Well now that has been cleared up, it should help alot of people, including me. When I have some spare time, I might read this a bit to get some more in-depth information.

 

Your thoughts? Please leave them down below.

 

EDIT: You know that whole thing about the document being around 400 pages? Turns out Engadget was lying. Its more like 600.

I quote Engadget as saying:

The whole shebang weighs in at about 400 pages

 

EDIT 2: Screw the length of the document. I think we can all agree on that is a bloody long document, lol

[Victorious Secret]

Incoming crying by all those against this once they realize that 400 page document isn't the work of Satan. 

[Guest OfficialBen]

This is so great I was terrified of loosing the neutrality 

[Guest]

Somebody please go read that.

[Atmos]

GG, just before the closing of the curtain, Wheeler did something beneficial to mankind; what a twist!

 

 

Dont hate, he talks a big game, but almost never backs up his words.

[Ganz]

If someone wants to read all 400 pages and give me tldr that would be great!  Other than that, thoughts on net neutrality as a whole is:

 

In this day in age there is no reason why we can't get 100+ Mb/s speeds anywhere in the country save a few extremely remote places.  With internet companies making (what was it like 90%) profit margins, its a surprise that it hasn't been looked into more.  How would you feel if gas(petrol) companies made a 90% profit margin?  People would demand lower prices.  The unfortunate part is the internet for the most part is still a relatively new technology to a lot of people, so they don't know what to expect, or what they should be entitled to.  The biggest thing is if we can get more people educated about the topic and bring ISPs grasp on people who unknowingly pay for service that isn't even worth half the price.  

[AlwaysFSX]

Somebody please go read that.

Downloaded it myself, going to give all 400 pages a read.

[ivan134]

Incoming crying by all those against this once they realize that 400 page document isn't the work of Satan.

When have they ever let facts get in their way?

[rhyseyness]

Downloaded it myself, going to give all 400 pages a read.

I'll check back in a few hours

[RH00D]

I love how 80 pages alone are the Republican's dissenting statements. By comparison all 3 of the other commissioners only used 5 pages combined to write their statements.

 

Edit: Which by the way, the reason we didn't get to see the Order beforehand is because the Replublican's were intentionally delaying the submission of their statements for as long as they possibly could.

[AlwaysFSX]

I'll check back in a few hours

I have Word on the side for a tl;dr, going to go through and make notes, then run through again and condense it. Should have it up in a thoughts post in maybe 6-8 hours.

[rhyseyness]

I have Word on the side for a tl;dr, going to go through and make notes, then run through again and condense it. Should have it up in a thoughts post in maybe 6-8 hours.

I would certainly appreciate that

[AlwaysFSX]

I would certainly appreciate that

Seems for every four pages I have one of important notes and points. I hope I can pare this down a bit.

[Trik'Stari]

Why in the fuck does it take 400 pages to say:

"ISP's can no longer throttle traffic for services that compete with other services"

"ISP's can no longer make agreements not to compete with other ISP's"

"ISP's can no longer prevent municipalities from developing their own services".

 

Why the fuck does it take 400 pages?

[AlwaysFSX]

Why in the fuck does it take 400 pages to say:

"ISP's can no longer throttle traffic for services that compete with other services"

"ISP's can no longer make agreements not to compete with other ISP's"

"ISP's can no longer prevent municipalities from developing their own services".

 

Why the fuck does it take 400 pages?

Read it, you'll see why.

 

In law you have to pretty much lay out every single claim and reason behind the rules, cite sources (which are a massive part of this document, up to half of a page being citations), and then wording the rules in such a way that they're clear (if you know what they mean) that they do not contain loopholes.

[Trik'Stari]

Read it, you'll see why.

 

In law you have to pretty much lay out every single claim and reason behind the rules, cite sources (which are a massive part of this document, up to half of a page being citations, and then wording the rules in such a way that they're clear (if you know what they mean) that they do not contain loopholes.

Seems fairly overcomplicated to me. Easier to avoid loop holes by just stating what I stated above. Plus whatever else they want to do with title 2, rather than saying 1 rule over 5 pages via ridiculous lawyer speak.

[AlwaysFSX]

Seems fairly overcomplicated to me. Easier to avoid loop holes by just stating what I stated above. Plus whatever else they want to do with title 2, rather than saying 1 rule over 5 pages via ridiculous lawyer speak.

Does not work like that and you know it.

[Trik'Stari]

Does not work like that and you know it.

I'm saying that it should. Part of the reason that government runs out of control like it has, is that 90% of the general population can't be bothered to decipher 400 pages of lawyer speak.

 

Government can do anything they want, all they have to do is bury it under enough paperwork.

[RH00D]

Why in the fuck does it take 400 pages to say:

"ISP's can no longer throttle traffic for services that compete with other services"

"ISP's can no longer make agreements not to compete with other ISP's"

"ISP's can no longer prevent municipalities from developing their own services".

 

Why the fuck does it take 400 pages?

 

80 pages is nothing but the 2 Republicans stating why they think its horrible.

5 pages is the 3 Democrats stating their opinions on it.

 

A huge portion of the document is citations and references. (Literally, there are some pages that are almost nothing but citations)

Quite a few pages also includes reasoning and justification, etc.

There are also pages that go over Internet related history to support its actions, basically the reasoning and justification.

 

Its also a legal document so they have to go over every single little detail with a magnifying glass.

 

This screenshot shows actual document text next to the citations. There are many pages like this.

 

[Fred Castellum]

I'm saying that it should. Part of the reason that government runs out of control like it has, is that 90% of the general population can't be bothered to decipher 400 pages of lawyer speak.

Government can do anything they want, all they have to do is bury it under enough paperwork.

Lawyer speak runs the country, law has to be detailed and precise. There are many that will try to take advantage of poorly worded regulations.

[AlwaysFSX]

I'm saying that it should. Part of the reason that government runs out of control like it has, is that 90% of the general population can't be bothered to decipher 400 pages of lawyer speak.

 

Government can do anything they want, all they have to do is bury it under enough paperwork.

To be honest I'm going to go with the it's not my problem you don't understand because it takes 5 minutes at most to decipher one of the harder legalese sentences and if you don't want to go through that trouble to know what you're yelling for then that's your fault. It's simple enough to understand.

 

Also, the way the government buries things with paperwork is not by the amount of it, but by the lack of work to progress through the stack.

[AlwaysFSX]

Lawyer speak runs the country, law has to be detailed precise. There are many that will try to take advantage of poorly worded regulations.

You can't do this. Well you never said I couldn't do this now did you?

[Trik'Stari]

To be honest I'm going to go with the it's not my problem you don't understand because it takes 5 minutes at most to decipher one of the harder legalese sentences and if you don't want to go through that trouble to know what you're yelling for then that's your fault. It's simple enough to understand.

 

Also, the way the government buries things with paperwork is not by the amount of it, but by the lack of work to progress through the stack.

Oh I have no trouble deciphering it, I'm talking about the morons who drag their jaws through the streets like common simians, and I say that for either side of the political divide.

 

I just think they could clean the language of things up a bit.

 

Never mind that things should never have gotten to this point in the first place, if congress were doing its job and putting these big ISP's through the ringer with anti trust investigations.

[Fred Castellum]

You can't do this. Well you never said I couldn't do this now did you?

Objection! In article 4 section 12 of the regulation it clearly states "No persons on the premises under any circumstances are allowed to carry out such actions at any time without legal verification and local law enforcement supervision." Therefore you are bringing up a invalid statement!

[Trik'Stari]

Objection! In article 4 section 12 of the regulation it clearly states "No persons on the premises under any circumstances are allowed to carry out such actions at any time without legal verification and local law enforcement supervision." Therefore you are bringing up a invalid statement!

^this kind of shit is what is wrong with our legal system.