AMD offering a deal on their cards if you return your 970!

[Dabombinable]

That's pretty shady if you're talking about holding onto your 970 for a few more months and waiting for the R9 300 series. Either you're pissed now and want the return now or you should stick with it, not try to run your own little con.

Point is, never downgrade. And I am pissed - Nvidia lied twice, simple.

[SteveGrabowski]

Point is, never downgrade. And I am pissed - Nvidia lied twice, simple.

 

So return the card now then. An R9 290x isn't a downgrade; the 970 and 290x are pretty evenly matched.

[Brainless906]

290x's gameplay performance isn't upto the 970 mark 

 

 

Depending on the game they trade blows. usually within 5 fps of each other.

[AHaskin14]

Damn....that's good thinking

[Majestic]

yeah the trade blows up your psu when the 290x consumes a ton of power and internally burns your computer when it runs 

 

If you're lucky it does that before it punctures your eardrum from the noise.

[Brainless906]

yeah the trade blows up your psu when the 290x consumes a ton of power and internally burns your computer when it runs 

 

HUE HUE HUE AMD BURN HOUSE DOWN IS FUNNY CASUE HAWT AND POWER!

 

 

Its a silly weak argument, and for the most part untrue at this point. The R9 2xx series with any decent branded cooler runs just as cool as the 7xx series it was built to compete with. Did the reference cooler suck? yes. but those days are long behind us.

 

Plus only Special use cases I'd say that argument works but unless your building an ultra low noise or mini itx system 95% of any user base doesn't give a damn about power consumption. We can stop pretending people who care about 300+ dollar high end GPUs care about an additional 20 dollars a year in electricity. 

[AfroLedgend]

yes they did make a heater,the covered up part is some "stuff completely unrelated to this" also i like how amd has moved forward with hbm .... and i may get a 380x selling my 970 ... 

Yeah true I'm really excited for HBM. Granted the reference card was an incredibly poorly cooled but 99% of aftermarket cards were great cards like the 290/X Vapor-X from Sapphire rarely reaches 70C and it's a similarly priced card to same tier 970s.

[Trik'Stari]

[AfroLedgend]

I like this forum way too much

Negative. Not possible.

[Brainless906]

also i mentioned you are basically screwed in linux 

 

Fair enough. Nothing to argue there. though i've heard mixed reviews on that (within the past month Wendal from tech syndicate was complaining about having to switch to an AMD gpu for a linux test beds on one of thar videos) but i have 0 experience of my own so i personally cant even pretend to know whats going on there.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

 

 

Just checked the post and god, the war is still going! Ha ha ha, time to get popcorn again!

 

[AxelRantila]

 Not defending any company, but have you read what the Titan Z says on the Box? (12 Gb). And in any case If you bought a dual core card and you were expecting the full 8gb/12 gb then bad luck for not doing some research before buying something.

Yes. But the 295x2 is still not a 8GB card

[Trik'Stari]

Just checked the post and god, the war is still going! Ha ha ha, time to get popcorn again!

 

-snip

I've been going with this.

just stumble/drive away.

[Fate]

Yes. But the 295x2 is still not a 8GB card

Yea it is, there's 8GB on it that runs at full speed. There's just 4GB in Crossfire. 

Now I'm not saying this is how it should be advertised or anything, but that's just how it is. Misleading? Maybe. False advertising? Not in the slightest. 

[AxelRantila]

Yea it is, there's 8GB on it that runs at full speed. There's just 4GB in Crossfire. 

Now I'm not saying this is how it should be advertised or anything, but that's just how it is. Misleading? Maybe. False advertising? Not in the slightest. 

If it is 4 gig in crossfire, they should write that on the box (And NVidia should do that with the Titan Z as well).

[BobbyG2]

HUE HUE HUE AMD BURN HOUSE DOWN IS FUNNY CASUE HAWT AND POWER!

Its a silly weak argument, and for the most part untrue at this point. The R9 2xx series with any decent branded cooler runs just as cool as the 7xx series it was built to compete with. Did the reference cooler suck? yes. but those days are long behind us.

Plus only Special use cases I'd say that argument works but unless your building an ultra low noise or mini itx system 95% of any user base doesn't give a damn about power consumption. We can stop pretending people who care about 300+ dollar high end GPUs care about an additional 20 dollars a year in electricity.

Maybe he's concerned because the 290x is no longer a $300+ gpu?

[Victorious Secret]

Why is it when people bring up efficient GPUs, people assume that those people are poor and can't afford an extra 25 dollars a month in electricity? Thats not what the complaint is, at all. 

A inefficient GPU will kick out more heat into the case. Increasing the overall temps, making your fans either ramp up OR run the risk of prolonged higher temps on components that don't need them. This is particularly true for people with ITX/mATX builds that are small, which seems to be a substantial portion of the PC building scene these days. 

Why wouldn't you want a GPU that is not only quieter, but pumps out less heat into your case AND can run off a far smaller PSU? Being efficient in power use is just as valid a performance metric as the number of cores or memory bus or additional features. Why do we encourage those other metrics ramping up yet when someone dares bring up "but is it efficient?" we jump down their throat and tell them to stop worrying about some meaningless statistic. 

Amazing mentality we have there. 

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

HUE HUE HUE AMD BURN HOUSE DOWN IS FUNNY CASUE HAWT AND POWER!

 

 

Its a silly weak argument, and for the most part untrue at this point. The R9 2xx series with any decent branded cooler runs just as cool as the 7xx series it was built to compete with. Did the reference cooler suck? yes. but those days are long behind us.

 

Plus only Special use cases I'd say that argument works but unless your building an ultra low noise or mini itx system 95% of any user base doesn't give a damn about power consumption. We can stop pretending people who care about 300+ dollar high end GPUs care about an additional 20 dollars a year in electricity. 

 

I couldn't care less for power usage, but for heat, that is a big problem.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Why is it when people bring up efficient GPUs, people assume that those people are poor and can't afford an extra 25 dollars a month in electricity? Thats not what the complaint is, at all. 

A inefficient GPU will kick out more heat into the case. Increasing the overall temps, making your fans either ramp up OR run the risk of prolonged higher temps on components that don't need them. This is particularly true for people with ITX/mATX builds that are small, which seems to be a substantial portion of the PC building scene these days. 

Why wouldn't you want a GPU that is not only quieter, but pumps out less heat into your case AND can run off a far smaller PSU? Being efficient in power use is just as valid a performance metric as the number of cores or memory bus or additional features. Why do we encourage those other metrics ramping up yet when someone dares bring up "but is it efficient?" we jump down their throat and tell them to stop worrying about some meaningless statistic. 

Amazing mentality we have there. 

 

Exactly. To me what matters about the power thingy is that I can have a less bigger PSU, less heat and less noise.

[asim1999]

Has NVIDIA ever fired shots against AMD like this?

Yeah, they launched the 780 Ti after the 290X claimed to be the "Titan Killer"

[Suika]

HUE HUE HUE AMD BURN HOUSE DOWN IS FUNNY CASUE HAWT AND POWER!

 

 

Its a silly weak argument, and for the most part untrue at this point. 

The heat part may not be as true as some users exaggerate, I'll admit, but the power consumption is a concern, especially if a user with a 970 SLI is trying to pick up an R9 290X Crossfire with a 600W PSU. Just the AMD cards would consume 600W lol. Unless AMD also offered to replace power supplies for users looking to go from SLI to Crossfire, it isn't a good deal, just a marketing trick and chance to take shots at NVIDIA.

[Syntaxvgm]

The heat part may not be as true as some users exaggerate, I'll admit, but the power consumption is a concern, especially if a user with a 970 SLI is trying to pick up an R9 290X Crossfire with a 600W PSU. Just the AMD cards would consume 600W lol.

My 970 setup is running on a 400w power supply until I replace it. 

[Guest Kloaked]

This thread is still going?

[zappian]

This thread is still going?

 

Someone should close all 970 threads.

 

Even i am tired of people beating a dead horse.

 

IMHO.

[Brainless906]

The heat part may not be as true as some users exaggerate, I'll admit, but the power consumption is a concern, especially if a user with a 970 SLI is trying to pick up an R9 290X Crossfire with a 600W PSU. Just the AMD cards would consume 600W lol. Unless AMD also offered to replace power supplies for users looking to go from SLI to Crossfire, it isn't a good deal, just a marketing trick and chance to take shots at NVIDIA.

 

Coming from a 970 then yes, in a crossfire/sli position the 290x would require quite a bit more power, but not much as guru 3d suggests

 

"GeForce GTX 970 or 980 in 2-way SLI - On your average system the cards require you to have an 700~800 Watt power supply unit as minimum."  

 

for the 290x using the same testing methodology 

 

"AMD Radeon R9 290x Crossfire - On your average system the cards require you to have a 800 Watt power supply unit as minimum."

 

Tweaktown suggested a 750-1000 watt psu for 290x crossfire.

 

So if you were on the minimum sized PSU that Guru3d would suggest for a 970SLI you would need a new PSU. If you were at the max you should be fine

 

So yes. there is a difference. but not nearly as big ad one would assume. As far as psu size requirements anyways.