If you pirate a film, it's the ISP's fault, not yours

[StingBull]

This a statement blatantly shows that this man wants government control over the ISPs so that they can shut down any website they want on the ISP level without much hassle.

[rentaspoon]

Edit: Quote context changed

No, it would be like blaming the city for putting said addict patient in a city where drugs exists. The city after all provides roads and walkways that give you access to citizens who sell drugs, they're responsible for drug addiction because they created roads...

If they patients are under the city's responsibility

[Nineshadow]

I just thought about it a little.

 

ISP-s only provide costumers with 0-s and 1-0s. Copyrighted material is made out of a specific order of 1-s and 0-s,therefore that order is copyrighted,not the actual 0-s and 1-s.The costumers only request 1-s and 0-s and the ISP delivers them the 1-s and 0-s they asked for.If the order is exactly the same to a copyrighted material,then it can't be in any way the ISP's fault because they only send 1-s and 0-s and not the actual order for those bits to make up the copyrighted material.

[ragedev]

This is almost as bad as ''His window hit my elbow''

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS1VgKGYokI

[deviant88]

I just thought about it a little.

 

ISP-s only provide costumers with 0-s and 1-0s. Copyrighted material is made out of a specific order of 1-s and 0-s,therefore that order is copyrighted,not the actual 0-s and 1-s.The costumers only request 1-s and 0-s and the ISP delivers them the 1-s and 0-s they asked for.If the order is exactly the same to a copyrighted material,then it can't be in any way the ISP's fault because they only send 1-s and 0-s and not the actual order for those bits to make up the copyrighted material.

Exactly my toughts only that i doubted anyone would understand what computer data means at basic level,equivalent to this would be cheap chinese copies of brand names without using the brand name modifying it like adidas to abidas and using 4 lines instead of 3 as logo which makes adidas pretty much 0 harm unless the adidas fans are retards.

 

How can this be even considered piracy its freakin comedy

 

[rentaspoon]

I just thought about it a little.

ISP-s only provide costumers with 0-s and 1-0s. Copyrighted material is made out of a specific order of 1-s and 0-s,therefore that order is copyrighted,not the actual 0-s and 1-s.The costumers only request 1-s and 0-s and the ISP delivers them the 1-s and 0-s they asked for.If the order is exactly the same to a copyrighted material,then it can't be in any way the ISP's fault because they only send 1-s and 0-s and not the actual order for those bits to make up the copyrighted material.

If someone isn't selling the drugs/stolen goods but is collecting and delivering (bearing in mind they know what the are delivering and who it is coming from) and taking a cut (your monthly fee) then yes they are at fault.

But I think your both at fault

[Misanthrope]

If someone isn't selling the drugs/stolen goods but is collecting and delivering (bearing in mind they know what the are delivering and who it is coming from) and taking a cut (your monthly fee) then yes they are at fault.

 

Again this is NOT a correct analogy because they fucking DON'T KNOW. A better one would be putting the Fedex board of directors on jail for 20 years because some stupid drug dealer somehow successfully sent a few kilos of cocaine using Fedex. They didn't knowingly committed drug trafficking themselves because someone managed to get away with breaking their terms of service and they can't just fucking open every single package and basically offer 0 fucking customer privacy because of regrettable incidents with drugs.

[Nineshadow]

If someone isn't selling the drugs/stolen goods but is collecting and delivering (bearing in mind they know what the are delivering and who it is coming from) and taking a cut (your monthly fee) then yes they are at fault. But I think your both at fault

But they aren't transporting copyrighted data.They are transporting 1-s and 0-s.

[rentaspoon]

But they aren't transporting copyrighted data.They are transporting 1-s and 0-s.

But they know what they 1s and 0s make up

Again this is NOT a correct analogy because they fucking DON'T KNOW. A better one would be putting the Fedex board of directors on jail for 20 years because some stupid drug dealer somehow successfully sent a few kilos of cocaine using Fedex. They didn't knowingly committed drug trafficking themselves because someone managed to get away with breaking their terms of service and they can't just fucking open every single package and basically offer 0 fucking customer privacy because of regrettable incidents with drugs.

How do they not know? Because they aren't looking? Because I can pretty much look back and find history that they are.On top of that a majority of legal post goes through FedEx, not a minority and they've only got to look at where the data's coming from to flag it and check it.I believe the ISPs and the user/supplier is at fault.

[Misanthrope]

But they know what they 1s and 0s make up

 

How do they not know? Because they aren't looking?

 

That's exactly right: they're not SUPPOSED to look at traffic, that's in fact the entire reason why they're fighting to destroy net neutrality. I suggest you inform yourself and find out what an ISP is and isn't supposed to know.

[rentaspoon]

That's exactly right: they're not SUPPOSED to look at traffic, that's in fact the entire reason why they're fighting to destroy net neutrality. I suggest you inform yourself and find out what an ISP is and isn't supposed to know.

I think illegal copy's of data are a need to know regardless

[aEi1aesainee2]

I think illegal copy's of data are a need to know regardless

If so, in an imaginary world where the word "candy" was patented would I have to put the ™ each time I talk about it to my friend on facebook ?

I did copy it illegally. And it is data.

(applicable to many words that are, in fact, trademarked)

[JAKEBAB]

Oh for god sakes iinet is the only one fighting for our rights thats why its being targeted ive been with Telstra basically ever since i got the internet and ive been pirating they have not done anything about it im going to be switching to iinet very soon once i get fiber and a big reason is because they stand up for our rights the internet should be open to everyone no matter what (with the exception of child porn etc).

[rentaspoon]

If so, in an imaginary world where the word "candy" was patented would I have to put the ™ each time I talk about it to my friend on facebook ?

I did copy it illegally. And it is data.

(applicable to many words that are, in fact, trademarked)

Depends on how you use the word (same as Mars the planet and a Mars bar)

But in no way related to the post

[aEi1aesainee2]

Depends on how you use the word (same as Mars the planet and a Mars bar)

But in no way related to the post

How does the computer analyzing your data upload and download will know the difference ?

[rentaspoon]

How does the computer analyzing your data upload and download will know the difference ?

Because of where it comes from and what type of data it is

[Guest]

Self-Destruction in: 5, 4, 3, 2,  1

 

 

 

[tharvey]

This is just sad...

[YellowDragon]

hur hur hur... 

 

But like all dumb comments, It's only funny when it's about something you disagree with, had the analogy been used to support piracy, how many people would be posting the same insults?

No its just outright funny the level of stupidity that the guy is pushing with his analogy

[Real_PhillBert]

Way to go... /facepalm/

[Mooshi]

Upside down logic..Australia..I see nothing wrong with this.

 

But seriously, this is a new level of dumb. Like blaming someone who got stabbed for not wearing a Kevlar vest instead of the person doing the stabbing.

[Rorgash]

reported OP post for crimes against humanity... I felt my life leaving me as i read that.

[Trik'Stari]

Wow. Sounds like the argument a leftist would make, blame everyone but the criminal.

[Trik'Stari]

"Fighting over who owns an intangible object makes as much sense as devoting the efforts of an entire civilization to collecting and spending an object whose value is in and of itself, wholly intangible"-Me, just, just now

[mr moose]

No its just outright funny the level of stupidity that the guy is pushing with his analogy

 

But if you read LTT there are just as many dumb analogies from posters trying to justify all sorts of different positions.  All I am saying is if you live in a glass house don't throw stones.