Dont you guys have fiber..?

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

5 hours ago, Jehova said:

 I guess a lot of people dont care. For some, however, this is a huge problem. I sail container ships, and on these ships we have extremely limited internet. So limited, in fact, that if you stream video on YouTube, noone else on the ship can WhatsApp family and friends. So you dont, of course. And you especially dont hijack the entire connection for the month or so it would take to download COD. It is too bad, though, since console gaming was a thing on board that people could really enjoy together. These days we cant buy any games, because even single-player only experiences requires exceptionally large downloads with no way around it. And I get it. We're a microscopic part of a very large consumer segment. It just sucks that we cant enjoy one of those little reminders of home when we are thousands of miles from home for long periods of time.

So you want to go back to the days where you had multiple disks to install once piece of software? We're going to be back in Floppy Disk era, except with DVDs. 

[tylerwatt12]

I got very lucky. I moved into in a township in 2020. A township is the smallest type of administrative division in my state. Fairly rural, population 7000. Last year I saw a local ISP running fiber in my neighborhood, and I was lucky enough to get it on my street. I've been paying $55/mo for symmetrical gigabit for over a year now.

[Erioch]

Even if the entire game was on the disk, you couldn't play until it patched the entire game anyway.

 

31 minutes ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

So you want to go back to the days where you had multiple disks to install once piece of software? We're going to be back in Floppy Disk era, except with DVDs. 

And those almost always failed at like disk 17 with Abort, Retry, Fail which meant you were screwed.

[dizmo]

5 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

It's like people want to bring these days back.

Please, no...

They got rid of plastic straws. These are just as bad.

[Ydfhlx]

9 hours ago, Blue4130 said:

You know that bluray exists, right?

Yeah, but it's super expensive compared to DVDs

[suicidalfranco]

9 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

It's like people want to bring these days back.

please yes!

specially when the box is well made and includes a book/booklet with the concept arts

[Blue4130]

2 hours ago, Ydfhlx said:

Yeah, but it's super expensive compared to DVDs

But is the cost of 3 blurays more than the cost of 30 dvd's?

[suicidalfranco]

10 hours ago, dizmo said:

It's an increasingly connected world. Not giving them money for one game isn't going to change that.

maybe won't change acti, but it show a boost in interest in other smaller studio that received your money for their fps that doesn't occupy 150GB, that doesn't force you to be always online to play, that has a good or decent single player mode, that let's you set private servers, that has a lan mode, etc, etc, etc... 

A combination of all of those things, or a single focused feature, depends on what you, you the consumer, really want.

Complaining and then giving your money to get the source of your complaints just because "herp derp gotta have the latest COD anyway", is going to fix absolutely nothing and you are just wasting your and everyone else's time with this kind of thread.

but then again, this or the kind of people who play COD...

 

 

 

 

 

[Slave2school]

11 hours ago, Heliian said:

As long as you're not paying for it. 

 

The seaborne systems are quite expensive still. 

I'm quite happy to pay for it lol. The alternatives are phone LTE @10Mbps, dsl@6Mbps, bell home wireless@50Mbps (costs almost the same as Starlink RV to get the 50Mbps available here), Rogers home wireless, the crap version of Bell service, or even worse the explornet option.

 

[Arika]

11 hours ago, Heliian said:

As long as you're not paying for it. 

 

The seaborne systems are quite expensive still. 

Starlink: 

260mbps down

40mbps up

 

$140aud/month

 

 

Adsl: (on a good day)

7mbps down

0.6mbps up 

 

$110aud/month

 

These are literally my 2 options. Think I'm happy to pay for it.

[Holmes108]

14 hours ago, dizmo said:

15 hours ago, Ydfhlx said:

DVD can hold like 7GB of data... You'd need 30 of them lmao

50GB is still 1/3 of the amount of storage you'd need, it isn't gonna help

That's fine, my point is just don't release them on disc at all then. Put them on the disc you're selling, in any way necessary, or go digital only.

 

3 blu-rays may be wasteful to some people, but I find that less wasteful than 1 empty blu-ray.

 

 

[Holmes108]

14 hours ago, dizmo said:

Maybe where you live, I can get it in a relatively small town of 32,000.

 

Same. City of 30K, and basically everyone within city limits has access to fiber. Still sucks for those who don't though, for sure. Especially for the not uncommon issue of console patches that seem to be far larger than they ever need to be, especially compared to PC counterparts. Would be nice if they improved that.

[LapsedMemory]

5 minutes ago, Arika S said:

Starlink: 

260mbps down

40mbps up

 

$140aud/month

 

 

Adsl: (on a good day)

7mbps down

0.6mbps up 

 

$110aud/month

 

These are literally my 2 options. Think I'm happy to pay for it.

Starlink's Maritime pricing is $5,000/month with a $10,000 up-front hardware cost....

Starlink Maritime

[Slave2school]

9 minutes ago, LapsedMemory said:

Starlink's Maritime pricing is $5,000/month with a $10,000 up-front hardware cost....

Starlink Maritime

Yeah and no one here mentioned their boat yet. If you ccan afford the multi million or billion dollar boat the 5k a month isn't going to be an issue.

 

Oh sorry I edited this, you hate that lol.

[LapsedMemory]

Just now, Slave2school said:

Yeah and no one here mentioned their boat yet.

OP stated they work on a ship.

[Slave2school]

 

1 minute ago, LapsedMemory said:

OP stated they work on a ship.

So who else mentioned their boat when they replied.

[LapsedMemory]

Just now, Slave2school said:

 

So who else mentioned their boat when they replied.

I'm just pointing out that starlink isn't really the miracle solution that you and others have been pushing it to be.  Games sizes are a problem, and "just get a faster connection" is a lazy answer to that problem.

[Slave2school]

4 minutes ago, LapsedMemory said:

I'm just pointing out that starlink isn't really the miracle solution that you and others have been pushing it to be.  Games sizes are a problem, and "just get a faster connection" is a lazy answer to that problem.

Who said it is a miracle? It is fast reliable internet where there is little to no infrastructure, such as rural Canada or Australia. Exactly the use case it is being made to support. If you have the money. Seems to be an issue for those who don't even have the service lol. Like I said if you want fast internet in some spots, it is THE solution. THE only solution. I don't like it, I don't love Musk. It is a service and I'll jump ship as fast as anyone if something better and cheaper comes along. For now it is a premium product not meant for people that cannot understand the use case. 

[Stahlmann]

So you either have dozens of DVD's, multiple Blu-Rays or one single download to install a game. Which would you prefer? (Not to mention most PC's don't even have optical drives anymore)

 

I first had something like this happen 10 years ago. I bought TES V: Skyrim in a store. When i inserted the disk into my PC it prompted me to install steam and download the game from there using the product key in the box. And that's how i created my steam account. I never bought a physical game again since my discovery of Steam.

 

So what i'm trying to say: This isn't new. It's been happening for a decade at least.

[Vishera]

17 hours ago, Jehova said:

It is too bad, though, since console gaming was a thing on board that people could really enjoy together. These days we cant buy any games, because even single-player only experiences requires exceptionally large downloads with no way around it. And I get it. We're a microscopic part of a very large consumer segment.

No, You are not the only ones who want to be able to play their games offline.

There is the ownership and DRM issue - If i can't play it offline,if the developer's servers dictate whether i can play the game or not,

If there the server has connectivity issues, goes down or the publisher/developer goes under i will not be able to play the game.

 

That's one of the reasons i boycott Activision-Blizzard,

The last game i bought from them was Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 in 2011.

Even though i really want to play the reboot of Modern Warfare from 2019 - I will not buy it.

 

I buy a game, store it on one of my hard drives, backup the drives monthly - And the games are in my possession forever, even if the servers go down i will still have the games.

[Vishera]

4 hours ago, suicidalfranco said:

but then again, this or the kind of people who play COD...

I will give them the benefit of doubt, maybe they are playing the original from 2009 and not the reboot.

20 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

Which would you prefer?

USB Drives

[Sauron]

6 hours ago, Ydfhlx said:

Yeah, but it's super expensive compared to DVDs

Not really, they're like $0.15 a piece. Negligible when games cost 60 or 70 bucks in retail. The problem with blu ray is that not a lot of people have a drive for them... then again maybe more people would if games released on blu ray and blu ray movies weren't such a pain to play on computers. Consoles don't have this problem because they can just come with a blu ray drive but 150GB is too much even for a quad layer blu ray, you'd need two discs and a permanent installation anyway. COD is known for poorly compressed releases so this may also be a bit of an artificial problem; if they would just bother compressing their assets like everyone else it might be 80gb instead of 150.

 

At this point there isn't much reason for physical releases, as much as in theory I would like something physical. @Jehova, one of you could simply download the game at home and take the console with you on the ship; I get that it's inconvenient but I wouldn't say insurmountably so.

[Heliian]

1 hour ago, Slave2school said:

I'm quite happy to pay for it lol. The alternatives are phone LTE @10Mbps, dsl@6Mbps, bell home wireless@50Mbps (costs almost the same as Starlink RV to get the 50Mbps available here), Rogers home wireless, the crap version of Bell service, or even worse the explornet option.

 

10k for the hardware and 5k/month for usage for the Starlink maritime system.  There isn't much option on the open seas. 

[yolosnail]

17 hours ago, TetraSky said:

Gives the illusion of "value" to some people. You give more value to something you can hold physically, than something digital.
That and it allows "reselling", which is something a lot of console players want apparently.

Because when you finally realise they've been releasing the same game for the last 10 years you can at least get some of your money back!

[Slave2school]

7 minutes ago, Heliian said:

10k for the hardware and 5k/month for usage for the Starlink maritime system.  There isn't much option on the open seas. 

I agree that could be very expensive, if for an individual. What other options are there on the high seas for reliable internet right now? Probably not much.  Consider that with marine fuel costing something like $700-800/ton? (quick google search) and a ship burning 50 tons a day they can probably eat the internet costs if they deem it required for operations and or crew sanity.

 

My guess is most companies really don't give a crap about QoL issues such as your game updates on the high seas.