New Official 4080 16gb/12gb Benchmarks released by Nvidia (4080 12gb up to 30% slower in raster than 4080 16gb)

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

Summary

Nvidia released new official 4k benchmarks for the "4080" 16gb and "4080" 12gb.  "4080" 12gb up to 30% slower than the "4080" 16gb in raster. 

 

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These benchmarks feature three games, all tested at 4K resolution with Core i9-12900K system. Games tested include A Plague Tale: Requiem, F1 22 and Microsoft Flight Simulator. Official benchmark charts (which we included below) are actually a showcase of DLSS technology in action, however these charts also feature pure raster performance without any resolution upscaling boosters.

According to this data, the RTX 4080 16GB would be 24% to 30% faster than a 12GB variant. That is indeed a wide gap between both cards that share the same SKU name, but entirely different configurations.

 

My thoughts

 Greedvidia released new official 4k benchmarks for the "4080" 16gb and "4080" 12gb. Not only is the "4080" 12gb up to 30% slower than the "4080" 16gb, it is actually only around 10-15% faster than the $699 3080 10gb (which you can find used for $550 or so). So.... 10% faster for 42% more money ( I am assuming the 4080 12gb will be around 1k usd given there is no founders model). This is horrific. The 4080 16gb is more like a 4060ti and the 4080 12gb is almost like a 4050. This is the worst product greedvidia has ever released. The 4090 is like double as fast as the lower "4080". The real 4080 hasn't been announced yet. The real 4070 hasn't been announced yet. Nvidia must REALLY be leaning on DLSS3. There is negative 100000000% reason to "upgrade" to either of these "4080s" if you have any 30 series card above a 3060 from Greedvidia or RDNA2 from AMD. It's worse than we all thought.

 

Sources

 https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-4080-16gb-is-up-to-30-faster-than-12gb-version-according-to-nvidias-new-benchmarks

[HW100]

Seeing those results, it really wants to make me cry.

If the 4080 12GB is like you say a 4050 (which I also think after seeing those results), what the hell will the actual 4070 or 4060 by Nvidia look like?!?!
Will the Ti versions of these cards actually be the "real" 4080 and 4090?

Is there any possible reason why they are doing this? Aren't they afraid of AMD or are they just thinking "We are the supperior brand, people will always buy our cards"


This is why I pray for more competition like Intel (kinda) and AMD are trying to be. Nvidia has basically become the "Intel of GPUs" now. I just hope RDNA3 will make them rethink about their current situation (If they haven't already).

[ewitte]

If you remove the 4090 and I had to choose one of the remaining cards it would probably be the 3090ti.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

1 minute ago, HW100 said:

Seeing those results, it really wants to make me cry.

If the 4080 12GB is like you say a 4050 (which I also think after seeing those results), what the hell will the actual 4070 or 4060 by Nvidia look like?!?!
Will the Ti versions of these cards actually be the "real" 4080 and 4090?

Is there any possible reason why they are doing this? Aren't they afraid of AMD or are they just thinking "We are the supperior brand, people will always buy our cards"


This is why I pray for more competition like Intel (kinda) and AMD are trying to be. Nvidia has basically become the "Intel of GPUs" now. I just hope RDNA3 will make them rethink about their current situation (If they haven't already).

I don't care how much people love their team green cards. Enough is enough. These "4080s" are going to rot on shelves. Especially considering with the new drivers they launched your "old" 3060ti/3070/3080 magically got 10-15% faster in Directx12 games. (It's from the same article Nvidia released today). The best option is to grab a cheap 30 series card used. 

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

1 minute ago, ewitte said:

If you remove the 4090 and I had to choose one of the remaining cards it would probably be the 3090ti.

The crazy thing is you can find 3090tis for fairly cheap used. And they have wayyyyyy more VRAM and you can OC The snot out of it. Nvidia has literally lost their minds with these 4080s

[ZetZet]

Just now, CHICKSLAYA said:

These "4080s" are going to rot on shelves.

Nah they won't. The prices will just drop below MSRP and people will jump into buying "discounted" cards.

[ewitte]

Just now, ZetZet said:

Nah they won't. The prices will just drop below MSRP and people will jump into buying "discounted" cards.

 

Or the said screw it and got a 4090.  

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

1 minute ago, ZetZet said:

Nah they won't. The prices will just drop below MSRP and people will jump into buying "discounted" cards.

I really don't think so. They're just so bad. When have we EVER seen a gen on gen performance increase of a measly 10-15% while being over 40% more expensive. It's a JOKE. It's almost like Nvidia wants you to run out and buy a Crypto Bro's used 3080/3090.

[Brooksie359]

I'm sorry but this tells me basically nothing as Microsoft flightsim is an unoptimized mess and plague tale I have no idea what game that is or how it typically runs while f1 22 is one of those games that usually runs at fairly high fps on most things 

[HW100]

4 minutes ago, ZetZet said:

Nah they won't. The prices will just drop below MSRP and people will jump into buying "discounted" cards.

Which means they rely on people with more money than mind (It's atleast how I get it).
 

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

I'm sorry but this tells me basically nothing as Microsoft flightsim is an unoptimized mess and plague tale I have no idea what game that is or how it typically runs while f1 22 is one of those games that usually runs at fairly high fps on most things 

It doesn't matter though. Its apples to apples. The fact of the matter is the comparison against other cards in their stack. The 4080 12gb is only around 10% faster than the 3080 10gb for 40% more $$$. 

[ZetZet]

1 minute ago, CHICKSLAYA said:

I really don't think so. They're just so bad. When have we EVER seen a gen on gen performance increase of a measly 10-15% while being over 40% more expensive. It's a JOKE. It's almost like Nvidia wants you to run out and buy a Crypto Bro's used 3080/3090.

No we haven't that is the experiment Nvidia trying. Presenting cards at exactly the same price to performance, just with a higher ceiling and extra features.

 

 

But if RDNA3 is not competitive then think about it. Stock of 3080s is going to run out, the 4080 12GB if the demand is weak might come down to 700-800 and start selling.

[Brooksie359]

2 minutes ago, CHICKSLAYA said:

I really don't think so. They're just so bad. When have we EVER seen a gen on gen performance increase of a measly 10-15% while being over 40% more expensive. It's a JOKE. It's almost like Nvidia wants you to run out and buy a Crypto Bro's used 3080/3090.

Let's be honest here and realize that nvidia will likely release info that will sell 4090s as they would much rather people buy them than 4080s and the like. 

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

Just now, ZetZet said:

No we haven't that is the experiment Nvidia trying. Presenting cards at exactly the same price to performance, just with a higher ceiling and extra features.

 

 

But if RDNA3 is not competitive then think about it. Stock of 3080s is going to run out, the 4080 12GB if the demand is weak might come down to 700-800 and start selling.

Eh, maybe. It's just a joke though. The 3080 was like 30-40% faster than the 2080ti for $500 LESS. The 4080 12gb is actually SLOWER than the 3090ti for around the same street price.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

Let's be honest here and realize that nvidia will likely release info that will sell 4090s as they would much rather people buy them than 4080s and the like. 

That's a given but they sell themselves. They are sold out everywhere. It's tremendously faster than the 3090ti while running cooler. The deep pockets will buy it regardless

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, CHICKSLAYA said:

It doesn't matter though. Its apples to apples. The fact of the matter is the comparison against other cards in their stack. The 4080 12gb is only around 10% faster than the 3080 10gb for 40% more $$$. 

What do you mean it doesn't matter? Unoptimized games are notorious for not utilizing better gpus well so it could be the case that the difference is 10% in flight Sim but 30% in basically every other game then you could see how being unoptimized matters. 

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

What do you mean it doesn't matter? Unoptimized games are notorious for not utilizing better gpus well so it could be the case that the difference is 10% in flight Sim but 30% in basically every other game then you could see how being unoptimized matters. 

I mean I suppose, but look how much faster the 4090 is. If it's not "utilizing better gpus" then why is the FPS of the 4090 so much higher? Your argument doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Both 4080s are DOA even if you cut $300 of each price tag.

[Brooksie359]

6 minutes ago, CHICKSLAYA said:

I mean I suppose, but look how much faster the 4090 is. If it's not "utilizing better gpus" then why is the FPS of the 4090 so much higher? Your argument doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Both 4080s are DOA even if you cut $300 of each price tag.

Did you look at the benchmark? Because if you did you would see that flight Sim had the smallest uplifts out of the 3 games and not by a little but by alot. So yes flighsims is an unoptimized mess. Also again I would assume if nvidia is behind these benchmarks they would be trying to push people towards the 4090 as that is what they would rather sell and based on these benchmarks yes the 4090 is looking like a pretty damn good deal. I mean why do you think they cherry picked a game like plague other than to have that big 250% faster bar on the 4090? If you think that is a coincidence then I don't know what to tell you. 

[dizmo]

I kind of disagree with a lot of the sentiments you seem to have:

• If you have a 3060 or 3060Ti, you'd be getting a pretty big boost if your goal is to move to 4k gaming.
• Using used prices when comparing new products is illogical. Obviously it will always be cheaper. They're used.
• The 4080 is nothing like what a 4050 would be. Saying that is ridiculous.
• In such a small spread of titles these graphs don't really provide much info, also it's 4k. Still a rather niche resolution to game at.

It does seem to make sense to buy the 3090Ti if you can find it on sale though, or a 3090, which is oddly absent from the graph. Of course these cards won't be available forever, and once they're sold out the comparison will be an even more moot point.

 

The performance of the 4090 is impressive. It'll be interesting to see how the full stack of products look when they're actually out.

Sitting here predicting what will happen is pointless and unproductive.

 

2 minutes ago, ZetZet said:

Nah they won't. The prices will just drop below MSRP and people will jump into buying "discounted" cards.

Doubt it. Once they're the only thing available, people will start to buy them.

[ewitte]

3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

 

 

Doubt it. Once they're the only thing available, people will start to buy them.

I've seen a lot of people hold out with 2000 and even 1000/900 series.  Someone like that would be fine just going to a 6900xt I just saw one for $630.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

IThe 4080 is nothing like what a 4050 would be. Saying that is ridiculous.

It's not, though. The 4080 12gb is soooooooooooooo cut down from the 4090 it's not even funny. It's actually disgusting. The 3080 10gb was like 85% of the card as the 3090. The 4080 12gb is like a measly 50%. It's a joke. That's not even considering the multi hundred dollar price increase. 

 

THERE IS NO 4080 THIS GEN. I WILL SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS

 

I am sick of people arguing otherwise. The 80 class card is supposed to be around 80% as fast as the 90, not 50%. Forget performance even for a second. Look at the CUDA core difference. It's literally a joke. 

 

The 4080 12gb being a 4050 is obviously an exaggeration, but it really is like a 4060/4060ti. 

[ZetZet]

23 minutes ago, CHICKSLAYA said:

Eh, maybe. It's just a joke though. The 3080 was like 30-40% faster than the 2080ti for $500 LESS. The 4080 12gb is actually SLOWER than the 3090ti for around the same street price.

But that really isn't true. 3080 was never available for 700 on release. It was 1200. You can blame scalpers, miners whatever, people bought them, including A LOT of gamers. 

I think you can scream all you want high-end PCs are entering hobby pricing. Hobbies are expensive. 

[Zando_]

Wait for more 3rd party reviews and broader benchmarks before going all doom and gloom. 

 

And if more testing proves the same numbers, then... I still wouldn't be so dramatic. Just skip 4000 series and wait for next gen, or see what AMD brings to the table. Especially as OP has a 3080, there isn't a need to upgrade cards every generation. I can see how it may suck for people coming from 2+ generations back if they're slapped in the face with shit pricing, but I'll wait for the full line to be released, AMD's new cards, and pricing to settle after that, before definitively making that call. 

[dizmo]

3 minutes ago, ewitte said:

I've seen a lot of people hold out with 2000 and even 1000/900 series.  Someone like that would be fine just going to a 6900xt I just saw one for $630.

Well yes. People that already have hardware are fine. There will always be thousands, if not tens of thousands of people looking to buy new.

You need to realize that last gen cards sell out fast once the new ones arrive, and will quickly not become an option for those looking to buy new.

3 minutes ago, CHICKSLAYA said:

It's not, though. The 4080 12gb is soooooooooooooo cut down from the 4090 it's not even funny. It's actually disgusting. The 3080 10gb was like 85% of the card as the 3090. The 4080 12gb is like a measly 50%. It's a joke. That's not even considering the multi hundred dollar price increase. 

 

THERE IS NO 4080 THIS GEN. I WILL SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS

 

I am sick of people arguing otherwise. The 80 class card is supposed to be around 80% as fast as the 90, not 50%. Forget performance even for a second. Look at the CUDA core difference. It's literally a joke. 

 

The 4080 12gb being a 4050 is obviously an exaggeration, but it really is like a 4060/4060ti. 

What's not?

I agree that the 12GB is a bit of a farce, but I'm not going to go crying about it until I see how the complete product stack looks.

 

You can scream it as much as you want, it doesn't make you right.

 

You're so focused in on the 12GB you ignore the 16GB. You also can't seem to get over the fact of this being only three titles, and we don't know how the rest will look.

 

It's also never really made a ton of sense to upgrade generation to generation.

[agatong55]

So that means a 4070 will be worse then a 3070?? If so Nvidia screwed up but and this a HUGE but, I think this fake and trying to get AMD to feel good for themselves, the numbers for RDNA 3 will be interesting.