LTT Official Folding Month V (2022)

[Alex Atkin UK]

1 minute ago, Schnoz said:

What model of 2080 do you have? Would it be possible to reapply thermal pads?

I'm sure it would, but it ran hot from day one unless you set the fan to "hair dryer" mode, so I'd want to run it under-clocked anyway.

[BondiBlue]

So, I think I might have blown up a 3080. Waiting to see if it'll turn back on...

[Alex Atkin UK]

14 minutes ago, Schnoz said:

High temps from day one are often caused by subpar thermal pad/paste quality. I'd highly recommend getting some Kryonaut paste and Thermalright Odyssey pads for your card; it almost always makes a huge difference.

Pretty sure its just a hot card, being a blower they limit the fan to something like 40% stock, this I believe is why the pads were sweating (pads were kept too hot encouraging capillary action) so the damage was already done by the time I realised it needed the fan profile cranking way up to maintain sensible temps.

I'm aware at least the pads could do with replacing, but doing that wrong could be worse than leaving it as-is and just compensating for the lower efficiency by under-clocking, which I'd almost certainly still need to do anyway unless I replaced the cooler entirely.

I struggle physically to do computer maintenance these days so I'm very wary of doing anything to the card.  I was tempted to just buy some of that GPU putty as who cares if it goes everywhere, it makes sure you can't put too much on as it pushes out of the way like paste while bridging the gap of a pad.

[cbigfoot]

Will be on in 10-15 to validate. 

 

Update it was 14 minutes

 

Update 2: Points Validated and i can confirm @GOTSpectrum is alive...

 

on another note umm @Alex Atkin UK i thought i asked you to put that Dangerous weapon away...you liable to hurt a lot of peoples feelings...

See what you make people do alex...

[Alex Atkin UK]

34 minutes ago, cbigfoot said:

on another note umm @Alex Atkin UK i thought i asked you to put that Dangerous weapon away...you liable to hurt a lot of peoples feelings...

I will put it away when the 12VHPWR connector melts, not a second before!

[GOTSpectrum]

@OhBoyspill the beans, what hardware you rocking?

[GOTSpectrum]

I'm really tired tonight, I'll get something resembling a post out for sure but I cannot attest to the quality of said post

[Alex Atkin UK]

What I can't understand is how my score is so low, I didn't turn off the 2080 or 3080 until the 4090 was in place, which more than makes up the difference in those being offline for an hour or so.  So own up, who stole my points?  It was @cbigfootwasn't it!

[GOTSpectrum]

Just now, Alex Atkin UK said:

What I can't understand is how my score is so low, I didn't turn off the 2080 or 3080 until the 4090 was in place, which more than makes up the difference in those being offline for an hour or so.  So own up, who stole my points?

I think I saw them down the back of the sofa

[Alex Atkin UK]

Checking Extreme Overclocking it looks like some unusually low production around 9am-12pm (6am in CST).  You can see where the 4090 points really kicked in at 3-6pm CST.

My best guess is it took me longer than I thought to swap the cards, I think it took me an hour to find something to reach the stupid PCIe slot eject lever.

[GOTSpectrum]

Just now, Alex Atkin UK said:

Checking Extreme Overclocking it looks like some unusually low production around lunch time.  You can see where the 4090 points really kicked in at 9pm.

My best guess is it took me longer than I thought to swap the cards, I think it took me an hour to find something to reach the stupid PCIe slot eject lever.

None of my boards have the latches left as I got too frustrated with them, hasn't caused an issue yet

[cbigfoot]

16 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

@OhBoyspill the beans, what hardware you rocking?

investigation shows 2x Nvidia and 2x CPUs...

so now thanks to @LAR_Systems  

we got a 4090 (Folding project #18450, INFLUENZA research (lar.systems) )

and a 3070 ( Folding project #18601, ALZHEIMERS research (lar.systems) )

 

CPU is too hard to tell but would guess a i7-11900f and a low end intel amd

 

now lets see what @OhBoy says but thats why my sluthing says...

[Alex Atkin UK]

Just now, GOTSpectrum said:

None of my boards have the latches left as I got too frustrated with them, hasn't caused an issue yet

Yeah but have you seen the 4090?

[cbigfoot]

4 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Yeah but have you seen the 4090?

you dont need a latch with the 4090 the side of the case will hold it in place...

[LAR_Systems]

3 hours ago, BiotechBen said:

 

Also noticed that the 480 is listed at something like 225W, any particular reason for that? I've got my max bin XFX card with "use as much power as you want" power limit set and the highest I saw it go was about 130W, and the official TDP of the card is 150W.

It's on the high side to reflect the highest card in the grouping as F@H does not isolate Ellesmere cards and no matter what of the following models you are folding on all get blended together in the DB as that's how F@H has decided to do it for some reason. 

 

[Alex Atkin UK]

Just now, cbigfoot said:

you donbt need a latch with the 4090 the side of the case will hold it inplace...

Seriously, my case handles 190mm coolers (supposedly) and the FE is a perfect fit to bend the power cable correctly, the side panel barely puts any pressure on.

 

No wonder there are problems with AIB models as none of those have as much clearance.

[cbigfoot]

5 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Seriously, my case handles 190mm coolers (supposedly) and the FE is a perfect fit to bend the power cable correctly, the side panel barely puts any pressure on.

 

No wonder there are problems with AIB models as none of those have as much clearance.

what ever happend to the angled Connector they did on the 3080 and 3090 that would have probably prevented 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999% of the issues had they angled the connector...ok ok maybe 50% of the issues

[BondiBlue]

1 hour ago, BondiBlue said:

So, I think I might have blown up a 3080. Waiting to see if it'll turn back on...

Update on the 3080: it's not quite dead yet. It put out some really concerning artifacts on screen, and it's crashed multiple times today, but as of right now it's back up and running. I don't know how much longer this card is going to last, but I'm hoping it can get me through the rest of folding month. 

 

I'm waiting on my RMA request from Gigabyte, and I'm hoping they'll be able to replace it for me. Something is definitely wrong with it. 

[cbigfoot]

13 minutes ago, LAR_Systems said:

It's on the high side to reflect the highest card in the grouping as F@H does not isolate Ellesmere cards and no matter what of the following models you are folding on all get blended together in the DB as that's how F@H has decided to do it for some reason. 

 

i assume would be too difficult to do like 150/180/140/175/225 for the wattage? @LAR_Systems

Just an idea no clue how that backend is done...

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Disclaimer (these numbers where pulled out of my @$$)

 

[LAR_Systems]

10 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

I noticed one inherent flaw with your database which I'm not sure is solvable, the PPD vs KW is presumably based on normal clocks due to averaging over all results submitted?  So it doesn't reflect on people folding with tweaked TDP to find that perfect efficiency point.

Conversely if enough people did fold using tweaked TDP, it could be misleading to anyone who isn't.

Presumably it would need more data, such as a dedicated app able to probe the cards PL to refine such data?  I guess ultimately that's what this forum is for though.

It's not a flaw it's a reality of providing numbers on a list that users can use to see how different cards stack up against each other in general, on average by GPU model and most importantly at a glance as it's always changing.

 

The general design and purpose of the DB as stated on the pages is to provide an average idea of performance and ranking of cards as they change regularly due to changes in work units being provided to fold over time.  

 

As the folding client does not track or provide real time wattage use data by WU, the database does not either as baseline power spec numbers for a GPU is all I can draw from when calculating averages and if I use the average TDP spec it's a static variable forever when calculating those averages.   

 

The idea of doing this this way is fine as it does not change the general outcome of the list rank for the "AVERAGE user" either as those new to folding or just trying to get their hands on a card at a decent price / cost of ownership etc. can make an informed average decision with the info provided.

 

For the more savvy users out there, yes... of course you can overclock, undervolt, power limit, power shunt, hack drivers, change OS and BIOS settings etc. etc. etc. on top of there being multiple different card power / clock specs for each model and across different coolers / water cooling and room temps and thermal limits etc. and manufactures all changing the parameters for board partner cards.

 

If I spent the time to create a compiled program to record all that sensor data on all OS and GPU types etc. the information would be pretty much useless reported raw by all those specifics as there are too many variables for people to digest and compare the information at that level of detail.   So... knowing this from my day job... I would have to... wait for it... average it all out or group it and average it broadly so users can get the info they need at a glance.   Much like hardware reviewers provide doing comparison in percentages at stock settings.

 

Which brings us back to how it works now lol,  if someone can hot rod the card and that data is logged it brings up the averages... then others stop being noobs and wonder how... start digging and next thing you know they are tinkeing, which brings up their averages so on and so on.   How they handle the power settings, clocks and if they run a 200w box fan in the side of their case is not something I can account for, nor should I providing overview baseline data.

 

You can look at the data on most Nvidia cards and see the moment in the performance curves the driver that removed LHR and added 4000 series updates including performance gains for 3000 series... yet another factor that can't really be captured easily.

 

Then there will also just be the people that go 4090 GO BURRR and optimize nothing though brute force because they just buy the top of the list... it's not what I would do... but for those new to folding, and as long as they are folding I don't really care.. it's all still for the cause.  

[LAR_Systems]

13 minutes ago, cbigfoot said:

i assume would be too difficult to do like 150/180/140/175/225 for the wattage? @LAR_Systems

Just an idea no clue how that backend is done...

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Disclaimer (these numbers where pulled out of my @$$)

 

I can't tell them apart is the issue, because F@H does not tell them apart. 

So the PPD is all blended average as is the power avg as they are all considered ONE GPU with that magic multiple model name by F@H.

 

So no, there is not really a way for me to more accurately do that calculation as I don't know what specific model is providing the PPD report to then calculate and pair with the wattage etc.    

 

AMD GPUs get the second citizen treatment by the F@H team and I can't override that as if you have the best or worst model of that series they are all reported the same in client, F@H and therefore the DB.

[GOTSpectrum]

I did it! 

 

[Shlouski]

@Alex Atkin UK @Gorgon

 

Unless power limited below my 4090 hovers around 80% power usage regardless of the settings, even on Alzheimer WU's.

[Heats with Nvidia]

2 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Pretty sure its just a hot card, being a blower they limit the fan to something like 40% stock, this I believe is why the pads were sweating (pads were kept too hot encouraging capillary action) so the damage was already done by the time I realised it needed the fan profile cranking way up to maintain sensible temps.

I'm aware at least the pads could do with replacing, but doing that wrong could be worse than leaving it as-is and just compensating for the lower efficiency by under-clocking, which I'd almost certainly still need to do anyway unless I replaced the cooler entirely.

Since i have the same model and mine folds happily with an 96°C hotspot in an 18°C room, i would say repasting and new pads would really help a lot. And almost all of my points were made with that card and on stock settings. But i repasted itI would do it for you a and reapplied new pads last year.

 

2 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

I struggle physically to do computer maintenance these days so I'm very wary of doing anything to the card.  I was tempted to just buy some of that GPU putty as who cares if it goes everywhere, it makes sure you can't put too much on as it pushes out of the way like paste while bridging the gap of a pad.

I would do it for you, but you aren`t exactly living around the corner and sending a stranger from another country a 2080 is also not really a good idea.

But at least, i can try to find out which thermal pads i used. If you find somebody to do it for you.

The card is worth it.

[GOTSpectrum]

1 minute ago, Heats with Nvidia said:

Since i have the same model and mine folds happily with an 96°C hotspot in an 18°C room, i would say repasting and new pads would really help a lot. And almost all of my points were made with that card and on stock settings. But i repasted itI would do it for you a and reapplied new pads last year.

 

I would do it for you, but you aren`t exactly living around the corner and sending a stranger from another country a 2080 is also not really a good idea.

But at least, i can try to find out which thermal pads i used. If you find somebody to do it for you.

The card is worth it.

I would be happy to do it, I'm planning to do all mine after folding month, dreading the waterforce card