Ryzen 5800X3D to Launch April 20th for $449. Ryzen 5700x/5600 to launch also for $299/$199

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

 

Summary

 Ryzen 5800X3D to Launch April 20th for $449. Ryzen 5700/5600 to launch also for $299/$199

 

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AMD’s first Ryzen processor equipped with 3D V-Cache memory, the Ryzen 7 5800X3D, now has a release date: April 20. According to Disclosuzen, who near perfect track record, this CPU will launch at 449 USD, the original price of Ryzen 7 5800x.

 

My thoughts

These prices aren't competitive. The Intel 12600k is the same price as the 5700 and is tremendously more powerful and SLAPS the 5800x even(a higher sku) in productivity AND gaming benchmarks. With the Ryzen 5600x being $179 and 5800x being $250 at microcenter, I am not sure who these are for exactly. Even without a Microcenter nearby, the 5800x and 5600x have been going down in price as well as the 12600k. These needed to be launched at $250 and $150 to be competitive in my opinion

 

 

Sources

 https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-to-cost-449-launches-april-20

[Quackers101]

If true, might assume it won't quite compete in price to perf, with intel's 12th gen. (as it might be priced higher at launch?)

But it will be fun to see some reviews of how it performs, as mentioned it should be a decent improvements in some areas.

Also hope there is not a lot of issues around this new tech that can cause issues, either from failure rates or unit to unit difference.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

Just now, Quackers101 said:

If true, might assume it won't quite compete in price to perf, with intel's 12th gen. (as it might be priced higher at launch?)

But it will be fun to see some reviews of how it performs, as mentioned it should be a decent improvements in some areas.

Also hope there is not a lot of issues around this new tech that can cause issues, either from failure rates or unit to unit difference.

I just can't believe the 5700x price specifically. The 5800x is already $299 as is.... 

[porina]

As MSRPs go, these are lower than I expected. Those are claimed to be MSRP so could be compared to other CPU MSRP, not street pricing. If we only compare MSRP it renders the older models at the same price redundant. But we have seen those drop in street pricing. So the stack is kinda self adjusting itself already. These may initially be offered at MSRP while sellers feel demand but it will also adjust to what actually shifts.

 

In a similar way I think many were unrealistically comparing past Ryzen to Intel, with a role reversal now I think there are still some unrealistic comparisons with current Intel to AMD. Differences are being exaggerated and over-stated. 

[starsmine]

yall need to stop using microcenters sale, in store only price as the price to compare chips at.

15 minutes ago, Ryan829 said:

I just can't believe the 5700x price specifically. The 5800x is already $299 as is.... 

So the 5700x will be cheaper then that at microcenter... 

And I have said this in another thread, you have to look at motherboard prices. AM4 Boards are significantly cheaper then lga 1700 boards at feature parity. 

[Helpful Tech Witch]

thats... too high

the 5600x is at 230 and the 5800x is 350, these seem just too expensive, too late.

 

 

 

plus where my r3 5100 AMD?!?

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, starsmine said:

yall need to stop using microcenters sale, in store only price as the price to compare chips at.

20 minutes ago, Ryan829 said:

its not, the r5000 parts got a markdown in all retailers that seems to be permananent

[starsmine]

19 minutes ago, Helpful Tech Wiard said:

its not, the r5000 parts got a markdown in all retailers that seems to be permananent

yes, they did, but not to 250 quoted by OP

The 5800x is 350 on amazon, 300 at microcenter in store only, and 280 when combined with a full priced motherboard. 
The 5700x, which is just 100 mhz lower, would be 300 on amazon then, then what ever microcenter decides to sell it at, say 270, and then it will be 250 with a mother board.

The is 12600k is 280 on Amazon yes, 250 on microcenter, 230 when combined with a mother board. 

But the fact is a feature parity motherboard your looking at 160 dollars with AMD and 200 dollars with intel. And as I also pointed out in the other thread, the AMD chips come with a cooler, that is good, no less. Intel K chips dont come with any. so you need to add a hyper 212 to the math.

All in a 5700x would be like 430 dollars. 12600k is 475 (not going with microcenter 20 dollars off combo price because you can find mobos more then 20 dollars cheaper elsewhere)
So these ARE competitive prices, especially the 5600 as all amd chips are unlocked (not just the X models)

And its weird to say the 12600k even beats the 5700x. it handily beats the 5600x sure, but those two cores adds a significant amount of MT performance.

The thing people are most interested in anyways is the 5800x3d which SHOULD beat the 12900k in gaming benchmarks and probably a bunch of compiling benchmarks for people who code.

[PeachGr]

These products are targeting existing AMD customers, not new users imo. AMD knows that is the last DDR 4 chip they'll make, so it's a dead end platform. If someone has a 2600x for example, can get the 5800x3D and have a much faster CPU on his existing machine

[WereCat]

11 minutes ago, PeachGr said:

These products are targeting existing AMD customers, not new users imo. AMD knows that is the last DDR 4 chip they'll make, so it's a dead end platform. If someone has a 2600x for example, can get the 5800x3D and have a much faster CPU on his existing machine

That's why I plan to upgrade from 3900X to the 16core... possibly 3d cache in maybe 4-5 years for a fraction of its price... hopefully. 

[PeachGr]

41 minutes ago, WereCat said:

That's why I plan to upgrade from 3900X to the 16core... possibly 3d cache in maybe 4-5 years for a fraction of its price... hopefully. 

A prediction for the next 4-5 years? I like you optimism Then it will be a DDR 6 whatever whatever, so you won't care enough to upgrade anyway

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

2 hours ago, starsmine said:

yes, they did, but not to 250 quoted by OP

The 5800x is 350 on amazon, 300 at microcenter in store only, and 280 when combined with a full priced motherboard. 
The 5700x, which is just 100 mhz lower, would be 300 on amazon then, then what ever microcenter decides to sell it at, say 270, and then it will be 250 with a mother board.

The is 12600k is 280 on Amazon yes, 250 on microcenter, 230 when combined with a mother board. 

But the fact is a feature parity motherboard your looking at 160 dollars with AMD and 200 dollars with intel. And as I also pointed out in the other thread, the AMD chips come with a cooler, that is good, no less. Intel K chips dont come with any. so you need to add a hyper 212 to the math.

All in a 5700x would be like 430 dollars. 12600k is 475 (not going with microcenter 20 dollars off combo price because you can find mobos more then 20 dollars cheaper elsewhere)
So these ARE competitive prices, especially the 5600 as all amd chips are unlocked (not just the X models)

And its weird to say the 12600k even beats the 5700x. it handily beats the 5600x sure, but those two cores adds a significant amount of MT performance.

The thing people are most interested in anyways is the 5800x3d which SHOULD beat the 12900k in gaming benchmarks and probably a bunch of compiling benchmarks for people who code.

The 5800x is 250$ at microcenter. There is a 50 dollar coupon that you can use on the 5800x, 12700k, 12600k, and 5600x. 

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

2 hours ago, Helpful Tech Wiard said:

thats... too high

the 5600x is at 230 and the 5800x is 350, these seem just too expensive, too late.

 

 

 

plus where my r3 5100 AMD?!?

Yup. Amd is in trouble. The 12600k is currently on sale for 229$ AT NEWEGG. That is bonkers. It is worth so much more than that. How can AMD compete with a 229$ 12600k that tops the 5800x? 

[starsmine]

17 minutes ago, Ryan829 said:

Yup. Amd is in trouble. The 12600k is currently on sale for 229$ AT NEWEGG. That is bonkers. It is worth so much more than that. How can AMD compete with a 229$ 12600k that tops the 5800x? 

Dude... no its not. thats a combo deal. its a limited time sale, on a specific 500 dollar combo. 
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4482142


And again, the 5800x is NOT 250 dollars on microcenter


Prices, right now.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

2 minutes ago, starsmine said:

Dude... no its not. thats a combo deal. its a limited time sale, on a 550 dollar combo. 
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4482142

Nope. Promo code works even without the combo. Hundreds of people on reddit have already checked out 

[Middcore]

This is the CPU equivalent of the Radeon VII. 

[Doobeedoo]

Curious to see how much improvement 3D cache will being across games. Expected not see much gain in every but if some can have a bigger gain cool. 

[mr moose]

Great news, this means when I am ready to upgrade again I will only have to sacrifice a few fingers to the Australian economy, I get to keep the rest of my arm.

[-rascal-]

I'm curious how the 3D cache would perform... curious how it will perform compared to my 5800X -- in both gaming and multi-threaded workloads.

 

You people are lucky, you have Micro Center. Across the border, us CaNaDia pesos prices are still quite high for both AMD and Intel. 

 

 

[Quackers101]

2 hours ago, -rascal- said:

Across the border, us CaNaDia pesos prices are still quite high for both AMD and Intel.

yeah, which sucks to claim that things get "cheaper", when for most viewers it might not be.

Although some trends we do see, but some prices in some locations wil likely keep their high prices.

[AnonymousGuy]

2 hours ago, -rascal- said:

I'm curious how the 3D cache would perform... curious how it will perform compared to my 5800X -- in both gaming and multi-threaded workloads.

 

You people are lucky, you have Micro Center. Across the border, us CaNaDia pesos prices are still quite high for both AMD and Intel. 

I want to know how the thermals look.  Stacking has consequences.

[NumLock21]

AMD: Introducing our newest Ryzen: 5800X3D

Xtreme 3D!!!

Me: no it's not, that thing is 2D, it's flat!

 

Okay the only difference I see between the 5800x has higher base and turbo, but smaller L3 cache, where as the 5800X3D has lower base/turbo, but a much bigger L3 cache. But If I recall, a long time ago reading that L1 cache is where it really matters, but they're expensive, so it's always been small, compare to L2 or L3.

[porina]

1 hour ago, NumLock21 said:

But If I recall, a long time ago reading that L1 cache is where it really matters, but they're expensive, so it's always been small, compare to L2 or L3.

Generally speaking, it is a tradeoff between size and latency. L1 tends to be small but fast. If you made it much bigger, it'll be much slower. Then you also optimise sizes at each tier. What is the hit rate for L1? If you miss, what is the cost of going to L2? Repeat for L3, then ram. Juggle sizes/latency for best overall perf in expected use cases - which are not static across generations. I find it curious that, relatively speaking, AMD go for smaller L2 bigger L3 (per core) compared to Intel. I think historically Intel has typically had lower ram latency so that might or might not be a contributing factor in how they design that.

 

I think AMD have claimed that despite the much bigger L3 with the 5800X3D, it doesn't impact latency. It'll be interesting to see if that is the case once it gets into the hands of the more in depth reviewers.

[Quackers101]

News From AMD:

7 CPUs to launch older and lower tier ones, from Zen 2 to 5600/5700 and below, new prices and 300 motherboard support.

[Rauten]

1 hour ago, Quackers101 said:

Probably deserves its own Tech News thread.

1. 5800X3D - nothing really new here, just have to wait for release and benchmarks.
2. Hey, Ryzen3 still exists! As a refresh of the R3 3100! Because f*** you, budget users!! <sigh>
3. OFFICIAL AMD support for 300 series boards and 5000 CPUs?!?!?! Including the 5800X3D?!

<Insert all the YES gifs in the world here>

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO X370 MASTER RACE, SUCKAAAAAASSSSSSS!!!!!!!!