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Kosovo bans crypto mining after facing severe energy supply issues

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Following other countries, Kosovo has banned all cryptocurrency mining and is planning on raiding large-scale mining sites. Low electricity costs in the past few years have attracted many miners which the government now deems problematic as there is a severe energy shortage in many European countries, including Kosovo. According to a German source, the country at least partially uses electricity for heating and produces more than 90% of its locally-generated electricity from coal. As a consequence of its current crisis, Kosovo has to import more than 40% of its total electricity.

 

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While all of Europe faces sharp price rises, Kosovo is enforcing rolling blackouts amid an electricity shortage.

The Balkan state's largest coal-fired power plant was shut down last month over a technical issue, forcing the government to import electricity at high prices.

A 60-day state of emergency, declared in December, gave the government powers to allocate more money for energy imports and impose stricter restrictions on power usage.

 

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Compared to the issues associated with crypto mining, I think the by far larger problem right now is the general energy crisis. However, it would be very interesting to know what role/perecentage crypto mining plays in it. While I personally would like to see an end to electricity used for mining, I am afraid that this ban will just move large-scale mining operations to other countries.

 

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Spiegel (German)

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speaking as a european, electricity prices haven't been good for a while now

so as a result of this many miners(including me) have embraced solar energy to alleviate the huge electricity costs that come along with crypto mining

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inb4 the arguing on the legality, effects and uses of Crypto and the eventual pages worth of discussion.

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1 minute ago, J-from-Nucleon said:

inb4 the arguing on the legality, effects and uses of Crypto and the eventual pages worth of discussion.

Yeah I know it's a delicate topic. I guess we can agree on crypto not being of advantage during electricity shortages. Before Iran issued a (temporary) ban they reported around 2GW going to crypto, which is basically a mid-sized power plant. I doubt that this scale of electricity is added to the grid by miners through solar and similar.

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Thank you Kosovo. Next please!

 

Normally Germany is one of the first when it comes to introducing new stuff in the name of being "green". I hope the added electricity needs from switching to EVs will further speed up the process to ban it here aswell.

 

1 hour ago, Dracarris said:

I am afraid that this ban will just move large-scale mining operations to other countries.

That's why we need large scale bans to do anything about it. Moving your operation across the next border is not a big problem, especially inside the EU. But moving it to another continent is another matter.

If someone did not use reason to reach their conclusion in the first place, you cannot use reason to convince them otherwise.

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As to not derail the thread with crypto based arguments the bigger issue is Kosovo thinking this works. China banned mining and within 3 months people were mining again. This should be a wakeup call for them to realize they need to upgrade their power infrastructure and the power countries don't have over decentralized finance 

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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

China banned mining and within 3 months people were mining again.

Not every country is the same just because it didn't work in one place doesn't mean it won't work in another. Additionally Kosovo is a tiny country especially when compared to how massive China is. Running and coordinating such a massive operation is of course far likely to fail than doing the same thing at a far smaller scale.

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25 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

Thank you Kosovo. Next please!

 

Normally Germany is one of the first when it comes to introducing new stuff in the name of being "green". I hope the added electricity needs from switching to EVs will further speed up the process to ban it here aswell.

Germany is in deep doo-doo. In their attempt to go green (which is laudable), the execution of it was shortsighted to say the least. They import a lot of energy, and nuclear is about the only reliable baseload generation there is. In fact, there's a debate going on in the EU over the future of nuclear as natgas has been in limited supply (offshore prospecting and drilling has been very limited in Europe).

The way I see it, Europe will take years to get their energy crisis under control. What you're seeing now in the EU are the policy chickens coming home to roost. But that said, the growing pains to renewables was expected, but it could have been managed better. So to that end, I fully expect a crypto mining ban as part of overall energy management policies.  

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14 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

China banned mining and within 3 months people were mining again.

How so? Do you refer to mining operations that have been moved abroad or is the CCP indeed not able to control it within their empire?

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2 minutes ago, Dracarris said:

How so? Do you refer to mining operations that have been moved abroad or is the CCP indeed not able to control it within their empire?

It's both. The CCP has the ability to turn on the dime and ban something within 24 hours or less. No build up in the news, hardly a lengthy debate. Instant law out of thin air. It really catches the market off guard leaving those in crypto scrambling for alternative operational plans.

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18 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

As to not derail the thread with crypto based arguments the bigger issue is Kosovo thinking this works. China banned mining and within 3 months people were mining again. This should be a wakeup call for them to realize they need to upgrade their power infrastructure and the power countries don't have over decentralized finance 

Completely agree. Not a fan of cryptocurrency  but that being said if the electrical grid is so fragile that it can't handle an influx of demand then it needs to be upgraded and updated badly. I mean if people are going to switch to electric vehicles then there is likely going to be a similar increase in energy demand. 

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27 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

Normally Germany is one of the first when it comes to introducing new stuff in the name of being "green". I hope the added electricity needs from switching to EVs will further speed up the process to ban it here aswell.

You mean hanging from a gas pipe coming from Russia while insulting Russia even more? Great politics.

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1 minute ago, AndreiArgeanu said:

Not every country is the same just because it didn't work in one place doesn't mean it won't work in another. Additionally Kosovo is a tiny country especially when compared to how massive China is. Running and coordinating such a massive operation is of course far likely to fail than doing the same thing at a far smaller scale.

This is all made up logic. Kosovo has significantly less resources than China. How do they actually plan to enforce this. Monitor everyones power usage then raid their home, confiscate their computer, and then analyze it to see if they were mining. Which would be incredibly hard to determine if the user was mining before or after the ban as it would require identifying the users wallet address then crawling the blockchain and comparing timestamps. Kosovo doesn't have the resources to actually enforce this ban so nothing will change and they will still have a power problem. 

Google's revenue alone this year was over 19 times more than Kosovo's GDP. China enforced the mining ban with the Great Firewall and also a paid snitch program to report mining operations. That didn't work

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8 minutes ago, Dracarris said:

How so? Do you refer to mining operations that have been moved abroad or is the CCP indeed not able to control it within their empire?

It's a mix. Some larger operations moved to the US or liquidated their hardware to US miners but the countries hashrate is actually higher now than before the ban. So yes China cannot control it so that is why they banned it. Which only helps demonstrate the strength decentralized finance has. Censoring or banning something is an admission to others you cannot fix the issue at hand

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42 minutes ago, StDragon said:

Germany is in deep doo-doo. In their attempt to go green (which is laudable), the execution of it was shortsighted to say the least. They import a lot of energy, and nuclear is about the only reliable baseload generation there is. In fact, there's a debate going on in the EU over the future of nuclear as natgas has been in limited supply (offshore prospecting and drilling has been very limited in Europe).

The way I see it, Europe will take years to get their energy crisis under control. What you're seeing now in the EU are the policy chickens coming home to roost. But that said, the growing pains to renewables was expected, but it could have been managed better. So to that end, I fully expect a crypto mining ban as part of overall energy management policies.  

Honestly that is the one thing that frustrates me. If there was a huge move to nuclear we could basically move entirely away from fossil fuels for energy production but there are too many people who are fearful of nuclear even though it's way safer now than it was say several decades ago. Also that would give us time to move to other renewable resources later down the road rather than being stuck with some renewable resources and coal and natural gas power plants we see powering our current energy grids. 

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54 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Also that would give us time to move to other renewable resources later down the road rather than being stuck with some renewable resources and coal and natural gas power plants we see powering our current energy grids.

I couldn't agree more and luckily more and more politicians are coming to this realization, see EU green-labeling of NPPs this week. Fear against nuclear is mass-driven by people that fail to grasp statistics and do proper risk assessment. Mix in total ignorance of technological progress since the 80s and the grotesk factors that enabled the Tschernobyl disaster and you have a loud and prominent mob that has no idea about the tech it is protesting against.

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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

How do they actually plan to enforce this. Monitor everyones power usage then raid their home, confiscate their computer, and then analyze it to see if they were mining.

 

The same way they do(or don't) catch people growing weed or cooking meth.

 

They will get a tip (wether by a snitch or unusual power consumption) and investigate. Won't get everybody but for a large scale operations this means they have to go 100% over to the dark side with all the costs and risks connected to that (bribes, having to wash the money and maybe still ending up in jail) which will make it less lucrative/attractive.

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2 hours ago, Thaldor said:

You mean hanging from a gas pipe coming from Russia while insulting Russia even more? Great politics.

And at the same time is removing all nuclear and voting in EU for Nuclear not be considered green?

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It matters that you don't just give up.”

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18 minutes ago, Kronoton said:

 

The same way they do(or don't) catch people growing weed or cooking meth.

 

They will get a tip (wether by a snitch or unusual power consumption) and investigate. Won't get everybody but for a large scale operations this means they have to go 100% over to the dark side with all the costs and risks connected to that (bribes, having to wash the money and maybe still ending up in jail) which will make it less lucrative/attractive.

Crypto is so lucrative some operations have built or bought power plants for their own personal use - https://bitcoinist.com/russian-businessman-buys-power-plants-cryptocurrency-mining/

 

So using power usage is not accurate. As for washing money there is no need it's crypto. Assuming they follow proper security protocols there is no way they can tell how much money they are making. The fearful miners are the ones who sold everything or moved to the US. If China can hide dozens of concentration camps then people can hide their mining operations

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12 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Crypto is so lucrative some operations have built or bought power plants for their own personal use

Pretty sure that didn't happen in Kosovo - and if so, the gov can easily figure it out and force buy them back or whatever it is they want to do.

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1 minute ago, James Evens said:

Are they hidden if you know about them?

Their location is hidden so yes and no

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Just now, Dracarris said:

and if so, the gov can easily figure it out and force buy them back or whatever it is they want to do.

I think you are giving them too much credit. 

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12 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Crypto is so lucrative some operations have built or bought power plants for their own personal use - https://bitcoinist.com/russian-businessman-buys-power-plants-cryptocurrency-mining/

 

So using power usage is not accurate. As for washing money there is no need it's crypto. Assuming they follow proper security protocols there is no way they can tell how much money they are making. The fearful miners are the ones who sold everything or moved to the US. If China can hide dozens of concentration camps then people can hide their mining operations

Yep because every mining operation is going to have its own personal powerplant. Let say even if they did then honestly they aren't really part of the problem so power consumption would probably be a good way to find them as at the end of the day that is the reason for the law in the first place regardless if you agree with the law or not. Also I am wondering if thermals could help catch operations as I know they do that for weed and other drug farms sometimes. 

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