Reddit user discovers msi scalping own 3080s on ebay for massive profits

[Random_Person1234]

4 minutes ago, Gamer Schnitzel said:

Proof? Like the Bloomberg site you mean?

https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/0194241D:US

Or is this also hacked and fake and whatever excuse people like to make.

MSI stands for Micro-Star International

[spartaman64]

http://rebate.msicomputer.com/App/StoreFront/shop_Contact.aspx bruh

[Gamer Schnitzel]

2 minutes ago, Random_Person1234 said:

MSI stands for Micro-Star International

Do you actually bother thinking about what you are even posting?

The board members listed work for Micro-Star International.

MSI Computer Corp is a subsidiary of Micro-Star International, do you really not understand that?

Do you know what subsidiaries are? Do you actually seriously think Bloomberg would list a fake company where people pretend to work for MSI?

[Mark Kaine]

4 minutes ago, Random_Person1234 said:

MSI stands for Mega-Scam International

FTFY 

[Random_Person1234]

3 minutes ago, Gamer Schnitzel said:

Do you actually bother thinking about what you are even posting?

The board members listed work for Micro-Star International.

MSI Computer Corp is a subsidiary of Micro-Star International, do you really not understand that?

Do you know what subsidiaries are? Do you actually seriously think Bloomberg would list a fake company where people pretend to work for MSI?

Spoiler

A list of all companies registered in California with MSI in their name. I think you're right.

[zeusthemoose]

I have found a couple of places that do list the trademark holder MSI Computer Corporation as a subsidiary company of Micro-Star International. I have also found that the board members of MSI Computer Corporation are listed as employees of Micro-Star International. This leads me to believe that this is actually MSIs trademark and assuming the seller is not fake, this is Micro-Star International’s doing. Given the amount of time the account has been up (3 years), the number of positive reviews it has, and the time frame from trademark to account creation, the account seems real in my opinion.

However, I find it important to note that while I have found nothing stating that it is not owned by micro-star international, some of what I have seen appears to be confusing the two. Specifically LinkedIn which lists MSI Computer corporation as having over 10,000 employee which is not the case. The majority of places list it as having around 100. Also, MSI Computer corporation has been operating for over 20 years, making me believe it is owned by Micro-Star because otherwise they would have taken them down by now.

My sources: 

https://trademarks.justia.com/871/87/starlit-87187184.html
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-GeForce-RTX-3080-GAMING-X-TRIO-10G-Graphics-Card-PCI-E-Gen-4-VR-Ready/254731359933?epid=12041024641&hash=item3b4f2c16bd:g:qsEAAOSwlJlfcLzv

https://www.bbb.org/us/ca/city-of-industry/profile/computer-parts/msi-computer-corp-1216-13155122

https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.msi_computer_corp.0c18b5af5818e2b43721212af28f1b59.html#financials-anchor

https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/0194241D:US
and more that I closed out of

[realpetertdm]

35 minutes ago, zeusthemoose said:

I think there is a very big misunderstanding here. Msi computer corporation is not the full name of msi. It is Micro-Star International Co.

If you look at the trademark site linked, it shows that Starlit Partners is registered by MSI computer corporation. That is the only trademark it owns. Looking at the same site, it shows what trademarks are actually held by Micro-Star International and this is not one of them. https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/micro-star-international-co-ltd-1164292/

 

Edit: I’m continuing to look into this, but Micro-Star International might be the parent company of MSI Computer Corporation. Once I can find proof one way or the other, I will update this.

Micro-Star International is the corporate name of MSI, in Taiwan. MSI Computer Corp. is a subsidiary of Micro-Star International.

This can be confirmed with MSI's own financial records from 2015:

https://asset.msi.com/file/pdf/investor/financial/10404IFRS_enmerger.pdf

Page 15, they list MSI Computer Corp. as a wholly owned subsidiary.

 

[Random_Person1234]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

One you listed is in the Cayman Islands.  Only one of the 3 in Califonia still exists, and it's MSI's City of Industry location.

I searched it on California's government website: https://www.sos.ca.gov/business-programs/business-entities/cbs-search-tips

[Energycore]

I'm sure Tech Jesus Steve is going to have fun with this one

[zeusthemoose]

3 minutes ago, realpetertdm said:

Micro-Star International is the corporate name of MSI, in Taiwan. MSI Computer Corp. is a subsidiary of Micro-Star International.

This can be confirmed with MSI's own financial records from 2015:

https://asset.msi.com/file/pdf/investor/financial/10404IFRS_enmerger.pdf

Page 15, they list MSI Computer Corp. as a wholly owned subsidiary.

Thats what I was trying to find, but could not. Thank you!

[aisle9]

15 minutes ago, Gamer Schnitzel said:

Do you actually bother thinking about what you are even posting?

The board members listed work for Micro-Star International.

MSI Computer Corp is a subsidiary of Micro-Star International, do you really not understand that?

Do you know what subsidiaries are? Do you actually seriously think Bloomberg would list a fake company where people pretend to work for MSI?

The only thing proven right now is that there's a company using MSI's name and address as their own, and they're selling MSI graphics cards at a heavily marked-up price. Beyond that piece of information, we do not know if it's actually MSI, an MSI vendor, a rogue MSI employee, or just a company that managed to get their hands on a bunch of 3080s and is now marking them up like crazy. I don't think you understand how easy it is to go into your seller info on Amazon and put an address that isn't yours in there, then ship from wherever you're actually located. I'm also not sure that MSI is dumb enough to use their own information if they're really pulling a fast one like that. I expect we'll hear more from MSI tomorrow. If we don't, well, the silence would speak volumes.

 

Edit: don't rule out the possibility that this is a scammer who doesn't actually have any cards. If that's the case, they're already moving funds from their Amazon/PayPal linked account into a second account that those two can't reach into.

 

Second edit: I'm not defending MSI. If they are up to shady shit, which would be entirely believable, then they deserve whatever comes their way. I'm just not interested in rushing to judgment when we don't have all the facts or a statement from MSI yet.

[Mark Kaine]

The sad thing is they make really great GPUs, everything else...not so much though.

 

And the even sadder thing is I have zero reason to not believe they would do something like this after recent review scandal amongst other things ...

 

We should really just all stop buying their products to show gamers aren't just sheeps... unfortunately that's probably just wishful thinking.

 

I however have already decided after the GN video to not buy their products anymore... it's not something I believe will have any effects whatsoever but I just flat out refuse to support certain companies that proved again and again how scummy they are.

 

(my list is very long lol)

[realpetertdm]

 

[leadeater]

Domain Name: MSI.COM
Registry Domain ID: 397410_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Registrar URL: http://networksolutions.com
Updated Date: 2018-07-10T07:07:15Z
Creation Date: 1991-10-01T04:00:00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2027-09-30T04:00:00Z
Registrar: Network Solutions, LLC
Registrar IANA ID: 2

 

Domain Name: msicomputer.com
Registry Domain ID: 1946020_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Registrar URL: http://networksolutions.com
Updated Date: 2018-03-07T03:25:02+00:00
        2016-04-21
Creation Date: 1998-04-16T04:00:00+00:00
        1998-04-16
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2021-04-15T04:00:00+00:00
        2021-04-15
Registrar: Network Solutions, LLC
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 2
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: 
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: 18003337680

 

Edit:

Also

 

I hope they have all the right Microsoft licenses 

[zeusthemoose]

33 minutes ago, Gamer Schnitzel said:

Proof? Like the Bloomberg site you mean?

https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/0194241D:US

Or is this also hacked and fake and whatever excuse people like to make.

Proof as in official MSI documentation (which @realpetertdm found and linked) or a government website showing such. I never claimed anything was hacked or fake, just making sure it was true. As you can see in a previous response I found conflicting information on trustworthy websites which is why I was looking to find real proof not a single bloomberg site like you linked. 

I found it hard to believe any major multi-national company would do something like this so out in the open so I fact checked it, nothing more nothing less. As soon as I saw my claim might not be true, I looked into more sources.

I find it very ironic that you are accusing me of calling everything fake when the very thing you quoted shows me doubting my source which lead me to believe that it was fake and saying I will look into further. I am very sorry I didn't trust a reddit article without any fact checking, it will not happen again.

[The1Dickens]

Is it normal for large brands with international presence to fulfill orders by Amazon?

Quote

A: Since STARLIT PARTNER is a Fulfillment-by-Amazon seller, please contact Amazon Customer Service directly for help as follows: 

Really, the only thing that stands out to me that it isn't MSI is that little bit on the Amazon Seller's Profile...

 

The account has feedback going back at least to beginning of 2018 (with plenty more pages available). 1680 total ratings, and 95% positive. That doesn't sound like scam numbers to me.

 

Things that (to me) says it is MSI:

• Seller's profile lists company name, address, and website as their own. Their own sales page also lists the Micro-Star HQ as their address.
• Has been up longer than 2 years.
• Lists only MSI products, even though claiming to have "solid business partnerships with the worldwide-famous computer technology vendors".
• It lists the trademark owner as MSI Computer Corp in City of Industry.
• The Bloomberg 'profile' lists MSI Computer Corp. as a sub-flavor of Micro-Star.

And now it looks like that seller's storefront is down? There is no link to it in their profile, and I'm not smart enough to hard-link to it...

 

Is there any way to see an archived version or something?

 

Y'all some speedy bois. Jeezus. Anyway, yeh.

 

Edited October 7, 2020 by The1Dickens
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[Bombastinator]

It’s been done though generally at the retail level.  When the Mini Cooper first came out I pre ordered and when my car came in some asshat salesman sold it to someone else out from under me because he could get over list for it.

Edited October 7, 2020 by Bombastinator

[spartaman64]

8 minutes ago, leadeater said:

 

can you explain this to me im a big dumb dumb lol

[realpetertdm]

One more piece of evidence:

(Source: r/nvidia)

 

rebate.msicomputer.com redirects to... Starlit Partner.

[leadeater]

6 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

can you explain this to me im a big dumb dumb lol

Both domains are registered with same company, while not something by itself but with everything else this is what I would call rather suspect. So we have old official documents from MSI which looks to show they own MSI Computer Corp and the domains for both companies from what I can tell are registered with the same company and I would hazard a guess the person doing that is the same for both. If you want to hide referential information like this it would have been much smarter to not register msicomputer.com using Network Solutions, LLC.

[spartaman64]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Both domains are registered with same company, while not something by itself but with everything else this is what I would call rather suspect. So we have old official documents from MSI which looks to show they own MSI Computer Corp and the domains for both companies from what I can tell are registered with the same company and I would hazard a guess the person doing that is the same for both. If you want to hide referential information like this it would have been much smarter to not register msicomputer.com using Network Solutions, LLC.

what about the microsoft license part

[leadeater]

4 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

what about the microsoft license part

Any website hosted using IIS that has user authentication requires a Microsoft External Connector license which is wicked expensive. You do not need this so long as you do not do any user authentication, their site has user authentication.

[realpetertdm]

The saddest part about this is that considering MSI's past history, them scalping on ebay isn't that unbelievable. They tried to bribe reviewers into not publishing negative reviews, so scalping GPUs doesn't seem that far fetched.

[leadeater]

Nvidia Yesterday: At least the 30 series launch can't get any worse

 

Nvidia today:

[Yea, i use windows, W]

DAMN YOU MSI DAMN YOU!! I thought I could trust you *sobs slowly*