Who actually needs a RTX 3090?

[Yoshi Moshi]

With 8k displays being crazy expensive, not to mention none exist with FeeSync or Gsyn, so why bother. Is there a use case for games that don't game with 8k? Seems like even a 4k 144 Hz panel doesn't suffice a 3090. The official benchmarks for a 3080 in Doom Eternal have FPS higher than 144 Hz in some instances at 4K. So who really needs a RTX 3090, seems like gamers don't need one.

[Shimejii]

Its pretty much for people that actually use that much VRAM. Its a Titan class GPU, which generally is for use of creators. Its still a Great Gaming GPU but with the price its not worth it.

[Moonzy]

5 minutes ago, Yoshi Moshi said:

seems like gamers don't need one.

yeap, we dont need one

but WANT one, which is its purpose, a halo product

 

also, whoever needs more than 11GB VRAM (or however much the next highest VRAM card is) would need it or a quadro

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

Me. And Now.

[Bombastinator]

6 minutes ago, Yoshi Moshi said:

With 8k displays being crazy expensive, not to mention none exist with FeeSync or Gsyn, so why bother. Is there a use case for games that don't game with 8k? Seems like even a 4k 144 Hz panel doesn't suffice a 3090. The official benchmarks for a 3080 in Doom Eternal have FPS higher than 144 Hz in some instances at 4K. So who really needs a RTX 3090, seems like gamers don't need one.

It’s not a gaming card.  It’s a workstation card on which games can be played.  I’m sorta curious how it compares to a Vega7 that costs a third as much used.  More memory but slower memory.  Anolder workstation card on which games can also be played.  It will probably be a better deal for some things and a worse deal for other things. 

[Quinnell]

I have a friend in my Clan who wants to get the 3090.  Trying to talk him into just going for the 3080 or waiting for the 3080 Ti.  For just gaming. the 3090 is overkill and absolutely not worth the price premium.

[CyberneticTitan]

Microsoft Flight Simulator at highest settings in 4k. How about surround 4k/1440p?

[Bombastinator]

1 minute ago, Quinnell said:

I have a friend in my Clan who wants to get the 3090.  Trying to talk him into just going for the 3080 or waiting for the 3080 Ti.  For just gaming. the 3090 is overkill and absolutely not worth the price premium.

Agreed.  Not for gaming anyway.  It’s still not out yet.  I’m actually wondering if the 3080 is memory short. 

[Quinnell]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

Agreed.  Not for gaming anyway.  It’s still not out yet.  I’m actually wondering if the 3080 is memory short. 

Woudl've been nice if it had like 12Gb.  Moar VRAM plz.

[Ankerson]

23 minutes ago, Yoshi Moshi said:

With 8k displays being crazy expensive, not to mention none exist with FeeSync or Gsyn, so why bother. Is there a use case for games that don't game with 8k? Seems like even a 4k 144 Hz panel doesn't suffice a 3090. The official benchmarks for a 3080 in Doom Eternal have FPS higher than 144 Hz in some instances at 4K. So who really needs a RTX 3090, seems like gamers don't need one.

 

For those who crank all the settings up to max and play at 1440P and 4K.

 

And want to play with RT and DLSS on.

 

And then there are the new games coming out that nobody knows what they will really take.

 

Doom really isn't the best game to test, it's not really all that bad resource wise...

 

Something like Metro Exodus now, that's different... or SOTTR with the settings cranked up... Those games will task that GPU.... 

 

Or Far Cry 5 for that matter.

[Bombastinator]

1 minute ago, Quinnell said:

Woudl've been nice if it had like 12Gb.  Moar VRAM plz.

We won’t know what is needed to cover what until the consoles come out and we see what the games built for them need.

[Quinnell]

6 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

We won’t know what is needed to cover what until the consoles come out and we see what the games built for them need.

Which is why I want more VRAM.  Better safe than sorry!

Disclaimer:  I may or may not have 64GB of RAM on my computer for reasons.  _{it was because I have loads of workshop items on Cities:Skylines and it eats all the RAM!}

[Rybo]

It's a prestige item which I am going to go to some lengths to acquire.  I want to give my VR rig as much of a leg up as I can, and that sucker fits the bill (I've already got some VR benchmarks [Unigine Superposition] that can make my 2080 Ti chug at max settings, and that will not do).  

So yeah.  It's for people with more money than sense.  And you're looking at one of them.  

Hopefully.  

[Moonzy]

14 minutes ago, Quinnell said:

I have a friend in my Clan who wants to get the 3090.  Trying to talk him into just going for the 3080 or waiting for the 3080 Ti.  For just gaming. the 3090 is overkill and absolutely not worth the price premium.

honestly if they really want it, shouldnt talk them out of it as worth is very subjective

 

just explain to them why it's not a wise choice (in your opinion), and let them decide

[Rybo]

8 minutes ago, Quinnell said:

 _{it was because I have buttloads of mods on Cities:Skylines and it eats all the RAM!}

Did they ever fix or mod away those late game bugs which cause your society to crumble?  I can't remember the specifics, but it was like people just stopped functioning for some reason.  

[Ankerson]

4 minutes ago, Rybo said:

It's a prestige item which I am going to go to some lengths to acquire.  I want to give my VR rig as much of a leg up as I can, and that sucker fits the bill (I've already got some VR benchmarks [Unigine Superposition] that can make my 2080 Ti chug at max settings, and that will not do).  

So yeah.  It's for people with more money than sense.  And you're looking at one of them.  

Hopefully.  

 

 

That's what Superposition is supposed to do.

 

And they will come out with a new Benchmark like they always do that's even more demanding.

 

 

[Quinnell]

2 minutes ago, Rybo said:

Did they ever fix or mod away those late game bugs which cause your society to crumble?  I can't remember the specifics, but it was like people just stopped functioning for some reason.  

Haven't played in a while.  Which is why the 64GB upgrade was even more absurd.   That said... I am not even familiar with this bug.

[Zberg]

31 minutes ago, Yoshi Moshi said:

Seems like even a 4k 144 Hz panel doesn't suffice a 3090. The official benchmarks for a 3080 in Doom Eternal have FPS higher than 144 Hz i

While that is true doom eternal is nowhere near a representation of most AAA titles.  Doom has been extremely well optimized and hits higher frame rates than most games.  My 2080ti stays locked at 120 hz and can hit 144 hz on doom eternal on ultra nightmare.  Its just not a good overall representation.  Contrast this with say, Anno or RDR2 for example.  Or SOTTR, or assasins creed, etc

 

24 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Agreed.  Not for gaming anyway.

 

27 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

It’s not a gaming card.  It’s a workstation card

 

29 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

Its pretty much for people that actually use that much VRAM. Its a Titan class GPU, which generally is for use of creators. Its still a Great Gaming GPU but with the price its not worth it.

It's not really analogous to the past Titan in the same sense.  Game performance between 2080ti and Titan RTX were near identical with slight advantage to Titan, (they had the same amount of cuda cores, so not really surprising) the main difference was the increased VRAM.  All of the above arguments apply to Turing generation and *likely not* to Ampere, as the only real difference was mostly the VRAM.

 

The 3090 has almost 20% more cuda cores than the 3080, as well as more VRAM.  This is significantly different and a huge variable added into the equation that has to be accounted for.  In addition, the 2080ti was supposed to sell for 1000, but was often found for 1100-1200 dollars.  The Titan RTX was more than 2000.  The 3090 has more than 2x the cuda cores of a 2080ti or Titan, and 20% more than a 3080, and is selling a little above what a 2080ti (the better models) sold for.  The price also has to be accounted for in terms of the massive Cuda core jump.  Its value with respect to a Titan RTX is significantly higher in terms of $/performance, and value as a gaming card (due to huge jump in cores)

 

Its def the workstation card, with all that VRAM.  But it is certainly a halo gaming card (reviews pending of course);  I would be very surprised if the extra 2000 cuda cores dont do *something*.  But ya, it's for gaming.  Would love to be able to saturate my 4k 144hz monitor TBH, so this is probably a perfect card for that.  

 

 

 

 

[Ankerson]

14 minutes ago, Zberg said:

While that is true doom eternal is nowhere near a representation of most AAA titles.  Doom has been extremely well optimized and hits higher frame rates than most games.  My 2080ti stays locked at 120 hz and can hit 144 hz on doom eternal on ultra nightmare.  Its just not a good overall representation.  Contrast this with say, Anno or RDR2 for example.  Or SOTTR, or assasins creed, etc

 

Exactly, there are games that will do some serious damage to the GPU performance when the settings are really cranked up.

 

Doom isn't one of those... 

 

Play SOTTR at 1440P or 4K with RT on Ultra and the settings cranked up to max, now that is damage. LOL

[Bombastinator]

28 minutes ago, Zberg said:

While that is true doom eternal is nowhere near a representation of most AAA titles.  Doom has been extremely well optimized and hits higher frame rates than most games.  My 2080ti stays locked at 120 hz and can hit 144 hz on doom eternal on ultra nightmare.  Its just not a good overall representation.  Contrast this with say, Anno or RDR2 for example.  Or SOTTR, or assasins creed, etc

 

 

 

It's not really analogous to the past Titan in the same sense.  Game performance between 2080ti and Titan RTX were near identical with slight advantage to Titan, (they had the same amount of cuda cores, so not really surprising) the main difference was the increased VRAM.  All of the above arguments apply to Turing generation and *likely not* to Ampere, as the only real difference was mostly the VRAM.

 

The 3090 has almost 20% more cuda cores than the 3080, as well as more VRAM.  This is significantly different and a huge variable added into the equation that has to be accounted for.  In addition, the 2080ti was supposed to sell for 1000, but was often found for 1100-1200 dollars.  The Titan RTX was more than 2000.  The 3090 has more than 2x the cuda cores of a 2080ti or Titan, and 20% more than a 3080, and is selling a little above what a 2080ti (the better models) sold for.  The price also has to be accounted for in terms of the massive Cuda core jump.  Its value with respect to a Titan RTX is significantly higher in terms of $/performance, and value as a gaming card (due to huge jump in cores)

 

Its def the workstation card, with all that VRAM.  But it is certainly a halo gaming card (reviews pending of course);  I would be very surprised if the extra 2000 cuda cores dont do *something*.  But ya, it's for gaming.  Would love to be able to saturate my 4k 144hz monitor TBH, so this is probably a perfect card for that.  

 

 

 

 

It’s a 102 chip, it’s more or less a hotted up 3080.  The 3080 has that many cuda cores too, they’re just turned off. So will it game? Of course it will.  If a 3080 games it will game.  I do find it interesting that the 3090 runs at a lower clock than the 3080, but does almost everything faster using the same chip. It does have more of its bus opened up and a lot more memory and a few other things. 

[Alan Mattano]

1 hour ago, Yoshi Moshi said:

So who really needs a RTX 3090, seems like gamers don't need one.

 

I'm Alan Mattano, Ferrari car designer German Frers consultant and now indie game developer of Soaring Simulator WIP . I will need a 3090 plus my actual 1080Ti (running only nvidia physx if possible) to move 10million triangles at 4k textures in VR + 4K 48" curve Tv + extra side HD monitor (youtube kids for my baby) + extra vertical monitor for programming (Unity) while making staff (my art work link) that need fast rendering in Iray Substance Painter. Also my creating and running in editor Speedtree, clouds, complex shaders etc.  

With similar characteristics Microsoft Flight Simulator game; Well actually virtual pilots can benefit of a 3090.

Also give you a boost when rendering in ray-tracing exactly 20fps at 4k instead of 3fps with my 1080ti and latest drivers. Plus for example when I'm covering with fabric inside Marvelous Designer the frame of an airplane.

 

[xg32]

1 hour ago, Yoshi Moshi said:

With 8k displays being crazy expensive, not to mention none exist with FeeSync or Gsyn, so why bother. Is there a use case for games that don't game with 8k? Seems like even a 4k 144 Hz panel doesn't suffice a 3090. The official benchmarks for a 3080 in Doom Eternal have FPS higher than 144 Hz in some instances at 4K. So who really needs a RTX 3090, seems like gamers don't need one.

i'm actually just listing out reasons here.

 

the 3080 doesnt have enough vram for some games in 4k, isn't fast enough to warrant an upgrade from the 2080 ti, i'm aiming for 4k/100/120 possibly dxr without dlss (not gonna happen with this gen)

[Blademaster91]

1 hour ago, Zberg said:

The price also has to be accounted for in terms of the massive Cuda core jump.  Its value with respect to a Titan RTX is significantly higher in terms of $/performance, and value as a gaming card (due to huge jump in cores)

I don't recall this being a thing until the RTX 2000 series, the GTX 10 series was a large performance jump over 900 series, yet there was no huge price jump to go with the extra performance. The pricing strategy of "it has more performance so pay more" is great for investors but not the average gaming enthusiast, and I miss when I could get the top end card for $700.

[i_build_nanosuits]

4k high fps, VR...future proofing for a couple years...

[MadPistol]

Let's be honest. No one "needs" a dedicated GPU. Integrated graphics works fine in most cases.

A 3070/3080/3090 is never a "need" proposition. We need food and water to survive. An RTX 3090 is simply nice to have.