(USA) Is this a good deal?

[Radium_Angel]

Intel Core i3-8350K quad-core (4c/4t) 4.00 GHz CPU
MSI Z370I mITX Gaming Pro Carbon AC motherboard
G.SKILL 16GB (8x2GB) DDR4-2400 (F4-2400C15D-16GVR) CL15-15-15-35 1.20v
Cooler Master MasterLiquid 120 all-in-one cooler

 

240$ USA money.

 

Seems like it, guy says everything works fine. Just asking here.

Bonus question, I have a spare GTX 660 I can put in the system, would all this fit into a http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-Evolv-Shift-Air.html case?

 

Cheers

[boggy77]

i wouldn't say it's a good deal.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i3-9100F 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$71.88 @ Newegg
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master MasterLiquid Lite 120 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$54.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard	Asus Prime H310I-PLUS R2.0/CSM Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard	$88.98 @ Amazon
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 CL16 Memory	$49.90 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$265.75
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-22 09:44 EDT-0400

 

[Jurrunio]

good deal imo, there's no bad product but a bad price.

 

If the case holds the card, sure.

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, boggy77 said:

i wouldn't say it's a good deal.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i3-9100F 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$71.88 @ Newegg
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master MasterLiquid Lite 120 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$54.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard	Asus Prime H310I-PLUS R2.0/CSM Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard	$88.98 @ Amazon
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 CL16 Memory	$49.90 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$265.75
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-22 09:44 EDT-0400

 

that has overclocking, this doesn't

[5x5]

5 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

Intel Core i3-8350K quad-core (4c/4t) 4.00 GHz CPU
MSI Z370I mITX Gaming Pro Carbon AC motherboard
G.SKILL 16GB (8x2GB) DDR4-2400 (F4-2400C15D-16GVR) CL15-15-15-35 1.20v
Cooler Master MasterLiquid 120 all-in-one cooler

 

240$ USA money.

 

Seems like it, guy says everything works fine. Just asking here.

Bonus question, I have a spare GTX 660 I can put in the system, would all this fit into a http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-Evolv-Shift-Air.html case?

 

Cheers

Not really. You can get a Ryzen 3 3300X and a B450 board for that money. It'll perform much better.

[steelo]

8 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

Intel Core i3-8350K quad-core (4c/4t) 4.00 GHz CPU
MSI Z370I mITX Gaming Pro Carbon AC motherboard
G.SKILL 16GB (8x2GB) DDR4-2400 (F4-2400C15D-16GVR) CL15-15-15-35 1.20v
Cooler Master MasterLiquid 120 all-in-one cooler

 

240$ USA money.

 

Seems like it, guy says everything works fine. Just asking here.

Bonus question, I have a spare GTX 660 I can put in the system, would all this fit into a http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-Evolv-Shift-Air.html case?

 

Cheers

That is not a particularly good deal...especially when you can get a Ryzen 3 system that performs better for the same amount or less.

[boggy77]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

that has overclocking, this doesn't

I wasn't suggesting that particular build, only that the price is not quite right for a second hand system.

[Jurrunio]

Guys 3300x pricing is broken or out of stock in many places

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NvCFf7/amd-ryzen-3-3300x-38-ghz-quad-core-processor-100-100000159box

 

and it seems quite rare in the used market as well (none with good pricing at least on ebay and craigslist)

so stop recommending it at this moment

[Radium_Angel]

7 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

i wouldn't say it's a good deal.

I like that the MSI board has built-in wi-fi, the system you quoted doesn't.

[5x5]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Guys 3300x pricing is broken or out of stock in many places

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NvCFf7/amd-ryzen-3-3300x-38-ghz-quad-core-processor-100-100000159box

 

and it seems quite rare in the used market as well

so stop recommending it at this moment

Pcpartpicker doesn't even list half the distributors that still have it in plentiful supply. Microcentre included. Don't go just based off of that

[boggy77]

3 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

I like that the MSI board has built-in wi-fi, the system you quoted doesn't.

yeah that mobo is the most valuable bit of the system.

what are you planning to do with this pc, anyway?

[Radium_Angel]

1 minute ago, boggy77 said:

yeah that mobo is the most valuable bit of the system.

what are you planning to do with this pc, anyway?

Get back into Recurrent Neural Networks, or use as a spare system to test out how well I can swap away from Windows and into a *nix distro, given my daily usage of my main system.

[aisle9]

26 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

Intel Core i3-8350K quad-core (4c/4t) 4.00 GHz CPU
MSI Z370I mITX Gaming Pro Carbon AC motherboard
G.SKILL 16GB (8x2GB) DDR4-2400 (F4-2400C15D-16GVR) CL15-15-15-35 1.20v
Cooler Master MasterLiquid 120 all-in-one cooler

 

240$ USA money.

 

Seems like it, guy says everything works fine. Just asking here.

Bonus question, I have a spare GTX 660 I can put in the system, would all this fit into a http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-Evolv-Shift-Air.html case?

 

Cheers

Not the best deal ever, but far from bad. That Z370/wifi motherboard is going to actually increase in value over the next few years. Don't believe me? Look at eBay. A lot of the Z97 ITX boards listed for $150-200 there were originally selling for that much in 2015.

[Radium_Angel]

9 minutes ago, aisle9 said:

Not the best deal ever, but far from bad. That Z370/wifi motherboard is going to actually increase in value over the next few years. Don't believe me? Look at eBay. A lot of the Z97 ITX boards listed for $150-200 there were originally selling for that much in 2015.

Yeah I looked, the board does seem to be collectible for whatever strange reason.

[aisle9]

1 hour ago, Radium_Angel said:

Yeah I looked, the board does seem to be collectible for whatever strange reason.

It's value. The cheapest brand new AM4 ITX board right now is the AsRock B450 Fatal1ty. Decent board, but not at $170. Factor in 16GB of DDR4 and a Ryzen 3 3300X (if you can even find one), and you're north of $300, possibly closer to $325. Same thing happened with X58 boards and to a lesser extent with LGA 1155 boards, but there were literally millions of those made while X58 remained a fairly niche platform, hence the higher price for LGA 1366. Early LGA 2011 boards (X79, X99) are now seeing the same thing start to happen, as are good ol' LGA 1150 Haswell boards.

 

I think that whole phenomenon may be approaching its end with the core shift and lower price structure created by Ryzen. Truth be told, if I needed a value platform today, I'd be looking at the first gen Ryzen chips. Previous inexplicable motherboard prices on the used market came about because Intel's pricing was so ridiculous that there was a legitimate price/performance argument to be made for, say, Skylake against Bloomfield, and the prices on Skylake were such that dropping $200 on an X58 motherboard to pair with a $70 X5650 and the DDR3 RAM you were already using anyway made much more sense than spending $175 on a good Skylake ATX board, $300+ on an i7-6700K and having to buy new DDR4 RAM at a time when getting an 8GB kit required you to chop down the tallest tree in the forest with a herring.

 

Now? The price/performance advantage isn't there because Ryzen killed Intel's pricing and, unlike the dumpster fire FX chips, are actually very viable platforms. Honestly, unless it's a very late-gen "legacy architecture" board (LGA 1156 through 1151, imo) capable of running 6 or 8 core chips, I wouldn't even consider buying it with the intent to resell. The X58/X99/Z97 pattern is coming to an end and being replaced with AM4 setups that cost as much or less in some cases.

 

Now, if you're just buying it because it's a good price today--and this is--then go for it. Even if you do resell in a couple of years, I think the 300-series boards are the ones that will still be holding value.

[Boomwebsearch]

2 hours ago, Radium_Angel said:

Intel Core i3-8350K quad-core (4c/4t) 4.00 GHz CPU
MSI Z370I mITX Gaming Pro Carbon AC motherboard
G.SKILL 16GB (8x2GB) DDR4-2400 (F4-2400C15D-16GVR) CL15-15-15-35 1.20v
Cooler Master MasterLiquid 120 all-in-one cooler

 

240$ USA money.

 

I would counteroffer $185 at the maximum, otherwise build a Ryzen 3 3rd gen or wait for Ryzen 3 4th gen to pair with a budget B450 motherboard for better value.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3200G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($99.00 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($72.99 @ Best Buy) 
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($57.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $229.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-22 12:25 EDT-0400

[Letgomyleghoe]

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Guys 3300x pricing is broken or out of stock in many places

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NvCFf7/amd-ryzen-3-3300x-38-ghz-quad-core-processor-100-100000159box

 

and it seems quite rare in the used market as well (none with good pricing at least on ebay and craigslist)

so stop recommending it at this moment

https://www.amazon.com/Ryzen-3200G-Procesador-sobremesa-desbloqueado/dp/B07STGHZK8/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=ryzen+3+3300x&qid=1595435175&sprefix=ryzen+3+&sr=8-6

[Jurrunio]

53 minutes ago, Boomwebsearch said:

 

I would counteroffer $185 at the maximum, otherwise build a Ryzen 3 3rd gen or wait for Ryzen 3 4th gen to pair with a budget B450 motherboard for better value.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3200G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($99.00 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($72.99 @ Best Buy) 
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($57.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $229.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-22 12:25 EDT-0400

you get much better board prices if you dont go mITX

 

52 minutes ago, Letgomyleghoe said:

https://www.amazon.com/Ryzen-3200G-Procesador-sobremesa-desbloqueado/dp/B07STGHZK8/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=ryzen+3+3300x&qid=1595435175&sprefix=ryzen+3+&sr=8-6

3200G is very different to 3300x, that's Zen+ with significant downgrades in gaming performance (which is also what 8350k relies on to be relevant).

[Radium_Angel]

50 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

if you dont go mITX

Yeah, but the case I want (listed in the top post) is ITX, so...

[aisle9]

34 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

Yeah, but the case I want (listed in the top post) is ITX, so...

Oh hell, I didn't even see that case. Strictly imo, but...

 

Run.

 

That thing was an absolute bitch to build in. No $110 case should be that much of a pain in the ass. And while mesh panels are cool and all, they don't really help all that much in reality without any additional fan mounts. As set up now, they're just basically big openings for whatever air is pulled in from the bottom to just vanish from the case. Phanteks usually makes solid cases, but I hated this one. I ended up returning it. It's just a poorly thought-out case of "let's make something that looks cool and figure out performance never."

[Radium_Angel]

6 hours ago, aisle9 said:

Oh hell, I didn't even see that case. Strictly imo, but...

 

Run.

 

That thing was an absolute bitch to build in. No $110 case should be that much of a pain in the ass. And while mesh panels are cool and all, they don't really help all that much in reality without any additional fan mounts. As set up now, they're just basically big openings for whatever air is pulled in from the bottom to just vanish from the case. Phanteks usually makes solid cases, but I hated this one. I ended up returning it. It's just a poorly thought-out case of "let's make something that looks cool and figure out performance never."

That's unfortunate. What I really like is the CorsairOne case, and I thought the Shift Air would be the closest I could find. Space is at a premium here, so rather than my preferred cube style, I thought I'd go vertical, and given I"d be using M.2, and an SSD, plus the AIO on the CPU, optimum air flow seemed less critical.

 

In any event, do you recommend another vertical case over the Shift air one?

[Boomwebsearch]

20 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

you get much better board prices if you dont go mITX

 

Not always the case, looking for compatible motherboards on PCPartPicker I found that the ATX boards were more expensive.

 

[aisle9]

12 hours ago, Radium_Angel said:

That's unfortunate. What I really like is the CorsairOne case, and I thought the Shift Air would be the closest I could find. Space is at a premium here, so rather than my preferred cube style, I thought I'd go vertical, and given I"d be using M.2, and an SSD, plus the AIO on the CPU, optimum air flow seemed less critical.

 

In any event, do you recommend another vertical case over the Shift air one?

I could be #trendy and say NZXT H1, but those are $350+ if you can even find one right now. My Micro Centers have been sold out for the last month, if not longer.

 

I ended up with the Cougar QBX. It's not vertical, but it's not big either, and it should be around $65 after tax these days. It's also supremely modifiable without needing to cut or bend anything. If you can wait a little while, the Cooler Master NR200 is making me personally drool, because it's like the QBX only a little smaller yet and makes even better use of its space. Still not vertical, though. I won't say that the Shift Air couldn't work in your situation, but it definitely did not work for me in any way.

[Jurrunio]

2 hours ago, Boomwebsearch said:

 

Not always the case, looking for compatible motherboards on PCPartPicker I found that the ATX boards were more expensive.

 

these are all mATX boards

[Boomwebsearch]

22 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

these are all mATX boards

On 7/23/2020 at 9:31 AM, Boomwebsearch said:

 

Not always the case, looking for compatible motherboards on PCPartPicker I found that the ATX boards were more expensive.

 

 

Correct, the boards shown in my screenshot are all micro ATX boards, the point which I was trying to explain was that you can save money on the motherboard and even possibly the case by going microATX instead of the regular ATX form factor (money that could be put towards better components). Of course, this may come with a few limits added such as possible fewer memory slots, lower maximum supported RAM, more limited support with large GPUs (which is why I recommended the Gigabyte B450M DS3H specifically out of these boards). I don't understand why you think that better prices can be had with ATX since mATX boards and cases are usually cheaper than the standard ATX boards and cases?