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The problem is, the enthusiast community is tiny comparison to all the average Joe's who go out and buy laptops and desktops. My mum and sister haven't even heard of AMD, but they certainly know of intel. I think intel will really have to perform badly for a number of years before their reputation is eroded enough for AMD to become the more well known brand. Intel's marketing is also Impressive with their iconic "look for intel inside," which just caused anyone not in the know to see an intel branded product and think it must be good

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1 minute ago, gloop said:

Well, for one all the OEMs won't stop using Intel, which is a huge amount of the profits, same with laptops.

 

and thats 0.11033333 of their profits.

What the OEM do is up to them, they didn't put a gun to your head saying * buy intel or I'll blow out your brains*

There are billions of ppl in the world go count that... 

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2 minutes ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

What the OEM do is up to them, they didn't put a gun to your head saying * buy intel or I'll blow out your brains*

But what they do do is use intel in 99% of their Pre-builts.

 

2 minutes ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

There are billions of ppl in the world go count that... 

Ok, let's hear your plan to get the nearly 8 billion people on this planet to stop buying Intel. I'm all ears.

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11 minutes ago, Benji said:

And people in here that say "vote with your wallet" probably don't understand that companies like Intel live off their OEMs and not the average Joe that buys his own CPU. Unless Dell, HP, Lenovo and so on care about it (which they won't outside of their gaming-focused high-end devices which are not limited anyway because they don't use low-end chips), nothing will happen. The "I build my own gaming PC" faction is just a negligible income for Intel, they couldn't care less. Even if no one would buy their CPUs and motherboards, it wouldn't hurt Intel that much because the OEM and enterprise market is where the money is, not the general consumer.

There is that ThinkStation P620 Lenovo just announced. They're putting Ryzen chips into a lot of their ThinkPads too, including the T14. Unfortunately, not in enough of them but it's gradually trickling in. (I really wanted a Ryzen variant of the ThinkPad P15.)

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5 minutes ago, gloop said:

But what they do do is use intel in 99% of their Pre-builts.

 

Ok, let's hear your plan to get the nearly 8 billion people on this planet to stop buying Intel. I'm all ears.

I'm sure there are pc shops the put your choose parts together for a low FEE? 

and there are new AMD laptop coming out lately. 

10 minutes ago, marmour said:

The problem is, the enthusiast community is tiny comparison to all the average Joe's who go out and buy laptops and desktops. My mum and sister haven't even heard of AMD, but they certainly know of intel. I think intel will really have to perform badly for a number of years before their reputation is eroded enough for AMD to become the more well known brand. Intel's marketing is also Impressive with their iconic "look for intel inside," which just caused anyone not in the know to see an intel branded product and think it must be good

The problem is people who have the knowledge should explain to the older generation, they're "your" parents you can start there. lol

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I don't honestly think they're trolling their customers. I think they're just trying to drain them dry of whatever money they think they can get away with getting out of them. Don't forget, there are lots of Intel fanboys out there who will buy Intel no matter what. They know those fanboys will buy whatever incremental product Intel shovels out the door. When you have that kind of customer base, they believe they can afford to be complacent.

 

I'm not one of those customers. I've had processors from both companies and don't care who makes my CPU as long as it's a good value and performs well. I picked my R9 3900X because Intel doesn't sell a 12-core CPU for $400. Before that, I had a R7 1700X because Intel didn't have an 8-core CPU for $350. Before that, I had an i7-4790K. Being a shopper now is far better than in the recent past because at least we have options. It reminds me of the old Athlon days of 2000 or so.

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4 minutes ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

I'm sure there are pc shops the put your choose parts together for a low FEE? 

 

and I'm sure that 99% of the general public knows jack-sh*t about computers, their knowledge extends to 'i press power button, it turns on'.

 

4 minutes ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

and there are new AMD laptop coming out lately. 

still doesn't change the fact that people don't know AMD asa brand.

4 minutes ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

he problem is people who have the knowledge should explain to the older generation, they're "your" parents you can start there. lol

lets get the top astrophysicist to just explain astrophysics to the entire world, shall we? Or have the leading surgeon explain every single step of his surgeries to the 8 billion people on this planet?

 

Still haven't given the plan of getting the 8 billion people to boycott intel either, have you lol?

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2 minutes ago, panzersharkcat said:

There is that ThinkStation P620 Lenovo just announced. They're putting Ryzen chips into a lot of their ThinkPads too, including the T14. Unfortunately, not in enough of them but it's gradually trickling in. (I really wanted a Ryzen variant of the ThinkPad P15.)

Well it's a start for AMD, my teacher told me at one time Intel pulled dirty tricks under the table with some OEM  by paying them to not buy AMD products. But that years ago. 

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36 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Right?? I even checked a few H370 motherboards and they only support 2666mhz RAM.

Hasn't it been a thing for a long time that you can't have faster RAM on the lower tier motherboards?

Thanks to @TofuHaroto, @dizmo, and @Jurrunio for reassuring me that I'm not crazy. I was thinking Skylake+ didn't support RAM OC on the mainstream chipsets, so I was kinda losing my mind a bit when Linus said they did. Maybe there are certain select motherboards that do enable it in those generations though. I am not sure. I know you used to be able to OC the RAM in the _Bridge days. Maybe in the _well days also.

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Intel just expects their customers to pay more for similar performance :D

 

Got An Intel CPU and feeling bad for not searching Aliexpress for AMD 3700X...

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4 minutes ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

Well it's a start for AMD, my teacher told me at one time Intel pulled dirty tricks under the table with some OEM  by paying them to not buy AMD products. But that years ago. 

I wouldn't be surprised if Intel's still doing this. There was that Asus laptop that had plastic blocking off the vents on the AMD model for no reason.

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7 minutes ago, delcolux said:

Maybe there are certain select motherboards that do enable it in those generations though.

I think the thing is, it used to be up to the board makers to say whether or not its supported. And yet, if you put a 3600 set of RAM in there, there was a strong possibility you could get it to run at 3600. But now its being blocked by Intel, and the board makers don't have any say in whether or not they can support a given RAM speed. So now there is no competitive advantage on the board-side for "ASUS supports 3600Mhz, MSI only supports 3200Mhz... guess I'll buy the ASUS for 8 dollars more."

 

2 minutes ago, panzersharkcat said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Intel's still doing this. There was that Asus laptop that had plastic blocking off the vents on the AMD model for no reason.

I seen that, and everyone crying "Why would ASUS hurt themselves?! Hurr Durr" But they aren't, when the salespeople can just point to bad reviews, and sell the Intel version of the same laptop. ASUS still makes the money, probably gets a larger cut on that sale, AMD looks bad, and Intel looks great. The only one losing out in that deal is AMD.

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8 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

Got An Intel CPU and feeling bad for not searching Aliexpress for AMD 3700X...

Aliexpress can give you great deals on consumer electronics, but in my experience, not on "hot" computer parts, like CPU and GPU. My local supplier tends to be cheaper or at most on par with the best Aliexpress deals I can find. I'm in Europe too, btw :P

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4 minutes ago, BulletMagnetEd said:

I don't honestly think they're trolling their customers. I think they're just trying to drain them dry of whatever money they think they can get away with getting out of them. Don't forget, there are lots of Intel fanboys out there who will buy Intel no matter what. They know those fanboys will buy whatever incremental product Intel shovels out the door. When you have that kind of customer base, they believe they can afford to be complacent.

 

I'm not one of those customers. I've had processors from both companies and don't care who makes my CPU as long as it's a good value and performs well. I picked my R9 3900X because Intel doesn't sell a 12-core CPU for $400. Before that, I had a R7 1700X because Intel didn't have an 8-core CPU for $350. Before that, I had an i7-4790K. Being a shopper now is far better than in the recent past because at least we have options. It reminds me of the old Athlon days of 2000 or so.

Just rent a giant warehouse and announce to the fanboys free fan gears for hardcore fans, invite them in and feed them rat poison. All fixed. 

3 minutes ago, gloop said:

and I'm sure that 99% of the general public knows jack-sh*t about computers, their knowledge extends to 'i press power button, it turns on'.

 

still doesn't change the fact that people don't know AMD asa brand.

lets get the top astrophysicist to just explain astrophysics to the entire world, shall we? Or have the leading surgeon explain every single step of his surgeries to the billion people on this planet?

 

Still haven't given the plan of getting the 8 billion people to boycott intel either, have you lol?

And this is why my county "singapore" our government chosen to give free electronics/computer/smartphone courses for the older generation. 

I don't need a plan to have ppl boycott intel, all I have to do is share Mr Linus's vid to all my online "elderly" friends and ask them to share to theirs, and that's a beginning. 

Remember a match can burn down a forest. 

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33 minutes ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

lol I wish, AMD's CEO is too much of a pacifist to take the fight to intel.

Actually, she already did :P  Think 3rd gen Ryzen and the new Epyc Pro series. Intel simply has nothing to compete against those. Yes they have the EOM market cornered. For now. But AMD is gaining there too (new Xbox!) as well as the laptop market with the upcoming 4000 series so it'll be a matter of time before Intel execs will begin feeling the heat.

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18 minutes ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

The problem is people who have the knowledge should explain to the older generation, they're "your" parents you can start there. lol

Sure, I would recommend AMD to them. My sister's getting a new laptop soon and ive told her that 4th gen ryzen is the way to go. However, at the end of the day, a large proportion of people don't need those few percentage improvements (i understand it is far more significant in the mobile lineup though) and will be quite happy with any laptop with a modern quad core and an SSD.

 

I by know means support intel in their current practices and would always recommend AMD currently, I just believe it will take quite a monumental shift for Intel not to dominate the laptop and prebuilt market (not to mention the millions of desktops in schools and offices)

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1 minute ago, Dutch_Master said:

Actually, she already did :P  Think 3rd gen Ryzen and the new Epyc Pro series. Intel simply has nothing to compete against those. Yes they have the EOM market cornered. For now. But AMD is gaining there too (new Xbox!) as well as the laptop market with the upcoming 4000 series so it'll be a matter of time before Intel execs will begin feeling the heat.

*turns off Intel's building's main air-conditioning *muahahaha

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6 minutes ago, Dutch_Master said:

Aliexpress can give you great deals on consumer electronics, but in my experience, not on "hot" computer parts, like CPU and GPU. My local supplier tends to be cheaper or at most on par with the best Aliexpress deals I can find. I'm in Europe too, btw :P

I don't know what you mean?

In Aliexpress 3700X = 265€

Where I live  = 320€

 

Although maybe some custom charges are needed?

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1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

 

i5s are locked to 2666MHz, well I guess why I could test not the kit at 2800MHz, 2933MHz like the board advertized or above for that matter... x-x

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1 minute ago, marmour said:

Sure, I would recommend AMD to them. My sister's getting a new laptop soon and ive told her that 4th gen ryzen is the way to go. However, at the end of the day, a large proportion of people don't need those few percentage improvements (i understand it is far more significant in the mobile lineup though) and will be quite happy with any laptop with a modern quad core and an SSD.

 

I by know means support intel in their current practices and would always recommend AMD currently, I just believe it will take quite a monumental shift for Intel not to dominate the laptop and prebuilt market (not to mention the millions of desktops in schools and offices)

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6 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

I don't know what you mean?

In Aliexpress 3700X = 265€

Where I live  = 320€

 

Although maybe some custom charges are needed?

Yes, anything worth more then 22 euro entering the EU will be subject to custom charges and (local) taxes. IIRC it's about 20% in total. So, 265+20% is about 320 too.

My supplier offers the 3700X for 299€, actually 5€ less then the German mother company ;)

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2 hours ago, GabenJr said:

Intel’s lack of understanding of what its customers want has damaged its credibility in the industry. It’s not too late, though: Intel can still fix its 400-series budget chipsets.

 

 

 

Was laughing my ass of by the end, nice one.

 

On a serious note however, I'm legitimately expecting ill be getting a AMD CPU during my next upgrade, bear in mind I only upgrade my 'base' system components when i 'need' to. Im still rocking a 3930k. So i can easily justify paying a premium for the best performance in any given task, BUT im very very much a man of principal, I vote with my wallet and if Intel continues screwing over the consumers ill go with AMD, they competing and are not that far behind in some areas of performance, close enough to say "fk it, its worth it to give Intel the finger"

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I wish you had added the only reason intel didn't lose more market share in the early 2000s was so illegal dealings. Bribing OEMs to use intel CPUs over AMD

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Crazy to think I now hate Intel almost as much as Apple...

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1 hour ago, delcolux said:

I know you used to be able to OC the RAM in the _Bridge days.

With Z chipset board you can do whatever you please to memory even if the CPU's locked

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