Posted June 21, 2020 The MacBook Air 2020 is a real hot boi... soon it'll be a cool dude. You knew this was coming, we water cooled the MacBook Air. Buy Macbook Air 2020 On Amazon (PAID LINK): https://geni.us/zsjj7 On Newegg (PAID LINK): https://geni.us/LtadPX1 On B&H (PAID LINK): https://geni.us/z2rQ Buy Intel Gaming CPUs On Amazon (PAID LINK): https://geni.us/UuisI9 On Newegg (PAID LINK): https://geni.us/IomL On B&H (PAID LINK): https://geni.us/ORChLCr Purchases made through some store links may provide some compensation to Linus Media Group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 21, 2020 please hook it up to your kitchen sink again and see the temperatures Please mark as helpful and informative so my profile looks better. quote or reply to me if you want me to reply to you. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 21, 2020 Author 3 minutes ago, Mad153 said: please hook it up to your kitchen sink again and see the temperatures Ice box >> Kitchen Sink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, AlexTheGreatish said: Ice box >> Kitchen Sink Why not use the recent custom LTT chiller or LN2 ? (LN2 might be a little too extreme, but the chiller is cool) It wouldn't be beneficial at all, but it would be an interesting project to make "WE BUILT THE COLDEST MAC ON THE PLANET". (or coolest) Here are my video and title suggestions. Please quote or tag me @Void Master,so i can see your reply. Everyone was a noob at the beginning, don't be discouraged by toxic trolls even if u lose 15 times in a row. Keep training and pushing yourself further and further, so u can show those sorry lots how it's done ! Be a supportive player, and make sure to reflect a good image of the game community you are a part of. Don't kick a player unless they willingly want to ruin your experience. We are the gamer community, we should take care of each other ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 21, 2020 Can someone please explain why apple would include a fan but then at the other end of the laptop? Its not like they hadn't enough space so they removed it liek the headphone jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 21, 2020 Rather impressive how hot the thing gets. Maybe apple read "max operating temperature" as "recommended operating temperature." Considering that both systems run that hot... Though, technically speaking, they could have the fan over where they have it, as long as there is sufficient air flow going through the heat sink, achieving this can be done by having an air inlet on the other side of the heat sink, so that air needs to move through the heat sink to get to the fan. But that obviously isn't the case here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 21, 2020 lol the Music is on point in the first half of the video. You can take a look at all of the Tech that I own and have owned over the years in my About Me section and on my Profile. I'm Swiss and my Mother language is Swiss German of course, I speak the Aargauer dialect. If you want to watch a great video about Swiss German which explains the language and outlines the Basics, then click here. If I could just play Videogames and consume Cool Content all day long for the rest of my life, then that would be sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 21, 2020 Id love to see you try a peltier device. Its about the same size as that shitty heat sink and running electricity trough it creates a temperature difference between the two faces, and that difference is CONSTANT, so if you cool the hot side, the cold side could get sub zero easily. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xY06PT5JDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 21, 2020 34 minutes ago, flopana said: Can someone please explain why apple would include a fan but then at the other end of the laptop? Its not like they hadn't enough space so they removed it liek the headphone jack. Because you don't appreciate the Think Different genius behind this design. /s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 21, 2020 Did you check to see if the VRM's were what were causing the drop to baseline power levels? The older retina Macbook Pro's had VRM throttling issues that were easily solved by a thermal pad and would not cause massive heating to the underside. It looks like you can use the top case to cool the VRM's which are located on the rear of the board. Main Gaming PC - i9 10850k @ 5GHz - EVGA XC Ultra 2080ti with Heatkiller 4 - Asrock Z490 Taichi - Corsair H115i - 32GB GSkill Ripjaws V 3600 CL16 OC'd to 3733 - HX850i - Samsung NVME 256GB SSD - Samsung 3.2TB PCIe 8x Enterprise NVMe - Toshiba 3TB 7200RPM HD - Lian Li Air Proxmox Server - i7 8700k @ 4.5Ghz - 32GB EVGA 3000 CL15 OC'd to 3200 - Asus Strix Z370-E Gaming - Oracle F80 800GB Enterprise SSD, LSI SAS running 3 4TB and 2 6TB (Both Raid Z0), Samsung 840Pro 120GB - Phanteks Enthoo Pro Super Server - i9 7980Xe @ 4.5GHz - 64GB 3200MHz Cl16 - Asrock X299 Professional - Nvidia Telsa K20 -Sandisk 512GB Enterprise SATA SSD, 128GB Seagate SATA SSD, 1.5TB WD Green (Over 9 years of power on time) - Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 Laptop - 2019 Macbook Pro 16" - i7 - 16GB - 512GB - 5500M 8GB - Thermal Pads and Graphite Tape modded Smart Phones - iPhone X - 64GB, AT&T, iOS 13.3 iPhone 6 : 16gb, AT&T, iOS 12 iPhone 4 : 16gb, AT&T Go Phone, iOS 7.1.1 Jailbroken. iPhone 3G : 8gb, AT&T Go Phone, iOS 4.2.1 Jailbroken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 21, 2020 I had a laptop with a 2nd gen i7 (integrated graphics) with the CPU right under the mousepad, and it was a furnace. It would consistently hit 65c when gaming and it was ass at every single popular 3d game on low w/ devs settings turned off (stuff like removing shadows, decals, and ragdolls and going to DX8 instead of DX9 in TF2 to improve FPS), so even when not gaming, you could never use the mousepad. I eventually just stopped gaming on a laptop, bought a chromebook bc I'm poor, and used my XB1S. I'm still too poor to get gamepass and gold, so I am stuck to the two games I actually own, and two free offline games from the MS store. I really really need money so I can just buy a old i7 desktop and put a GPU and SSD in. I'm too poor to buy a macbook with that amount of ass performance. Fuck you scalpers, fuck you scammers, fuck all of you jerks that charge way too much to tech-illiterate people. Unless I say I am speaking from experience or can confirm my expertise, assume it is an educated guess. Current setup: Ryzen 5 3600, MSI MPG B550, 2x8GB DDR4-3200, RX 5600 XT (+120 core, +320 Mem), 1TB WD SN550, 1TB Team MP33, 2TB Seagate Barracuda Compute, 500GB Samsung 860 Evo, Corsair 4000D Airflow, 650W 80+ Gold. Razer peripherals. Also have a Alienware Alpha R1: i3-4170T, GTX 860M (≈ a 750 Ti). 2x4GB DDR3L-1600, Crucial MX500 My past and current projects: VR Flight Sim: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/nathanpete/saved/#view=dG38Jx (Done!) A do it all server for educational use: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/nathanpete/saved/#view=vmmNcf (Cancelled) Replacement of my friend's PC nicknamed Donkey, going from 2nd gen i5 to Zen+ R5: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/nathanpete/saved/#view=WmsW4D (Done!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 21, 2020 Try running Windows / Linux on it, macOS has machine specific throttling (i.e. you will never get better than MacBook Air in cold room performance regardless of cooling config, by design AFAIK). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 21, 2020 That's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen - the 'cooling' solution that is. Saw it first on one of Rossmann's videos and honestly thought 'wait they're cloning MacBooks now'? Couldn't wrap my head around it and still can't… That's why any time someone asks me which MacBook Air should they buy I say 'how about buying a regular 13" MacBook instead?' No I don't think and 2015-onwards MacBooks are as good as they should/could be but this… this thing they done with the latest MacBook Air… Anyway the thermal pad thingy is what I always do to any MacBook I get in my hands even if the pad is just making contact between the logic board and bottom plate: put the pads right on top of where the CPU and GPU would be on the back of the logic board and use the bottom plate as heatspreader. Ain't perfect but does lower temps a bit and in any laptop a bit is actually a lot… (I actually use a sandwiched coin to breach the gap as per picture below. I know looks getto but it ain't stupid if it works…) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) Apple's cooling solution is diabolical and hideous - I've put bigger heatsinks than that on my chipset LOL. But don't think they are at all alone and other manufacturers are innocent. I once tested a Toshiba 15 inch laptop not too many years ago that had a palm rest hitting near 50C. It's been almost what I would call a "gentleman's agreement" among laptop manufacturers to skimp on cooling by going as thin as possible with notebook profiles, cranking temps to the limits of what CPU manufacturers spec and "hoping for the best". Not only is that design philosophy wrong, it severely shortens the life of any silicon never mind make the user uncomfortable enough to want to ditch their laptop altogether. Given the advancements made in vapor chamber cooling, thermal compounds, metal alloys and power control of modern processors, heat should simply NOT BE an issue in a laptop that is designed and engineered properly. For what is at least a decade now Apple has been leading the trend with thin laptops. And for those same 10 years I have been beating the drum that thin means compromise. There's a damn good reason why Eurocom and others still build their monster 17 inch desktop replacements with near 2 inch thick profiles. You NEED that room to fit multiple fans to move tons of air through and as much metal in volume and surface area to capture/isolate/dissipate the heat. A single tiny 10mm thick sleeve-bearing blower fan is incapable of moving the heat a modern Core i7 can push at sustained loads. BTW: Can LTT admins do a small tweak? I use FF and for some reason images don't display, just a big black square. On Chrome it's fine. Edited June 21, 2020 by Luscious Recommendation to staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 21, 2020 so the mounting pressure is non existent and the fan is useless...top class design, Apple ◒ ◒ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 22, 2020 For the milling the heatsink solution, do you have a how to for that or the amount of heatsink you have to take out to get the same results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 22, 2020 3 hours ago, Arika S said: so the mounting pressure is non existent and the fan is useless...top class design, Apple "It's the thought that counts" - Apple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 22, 2020 34 minutes ago, lewdicrous said: "It's the thought that counts" - Apple. to save a buck.... MSI x399 sli plus | AMD theardripper 2990wx all core 3ghz lock |Thermaltake flo ring 360 | EVGA 2080, Zotac 2080 |Gskill Ripjaws 128GB 3000 MHz | Corsair RM1200i |150tb | Asus tuff gaming mid tower| 10gb NIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 22, 2020 10 hours ago, AlexTheGreatish said: The MacBook Air 2020 is a real hot boi... soon it'll be a cool dude. You knew this was coming, we water cooled the MacBook Air. Buy Macbook Air 2020 On Amazon (PAID LINK): https://geni.us/zsjj7 On Newegg (PAID LINK): https://geni.us/LtadPX1 On B&H (PAID LINK): https://geni.us/z2rQ Buy Intel Gaming CPUs On Amazon (PAID LINK): https://geni.us/UuisI9 On Newegg (PAID LINK): https://geni.us/IomL On B&H (PAID LINK): https://geni.us/ORChLCr Purchases made through some store links may provide some compensation to Linus Media Group. Pretty sure Rice could fix taking down the temps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 22, 2020 So the TLDr is this chip (regardless of how well you cool it) does not give much more perfomance. Are there any other laptops with this chip in them that we can use to check if this is an `intel` limit or a motherboard power delivery limit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 22, 2020 Interesting thing is that CPU is power limited on a firmware level. It just isn't allowed to run at more than 10W even if it's cooled below all expected levels. And I agree, the cooling design is just straight up moronic. Bad plate contacting with tiny fins, fan blowing at a case frame with no intake on the other end of CPU if they were going after just flowing air through the case internals. It's just like that fan was an afterthought when they wanted to ship the thing to stores and they were like "oshit, we forgot to put the fan in, here, there's space to fit it in, doesn't matter if it does nothing, it's there". I'm also amazed they don't use laptop case more. Like, making bottom of the laptop from ribbed aluminium. Sure it would be warm for having it on your lap, but the cooling capacity you'd get from that and have it entirely passive. Just route some heatpipes internally to spread the heat faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 22, 2020 That heatsink is a major turnoff. I seriously thought about getting one of these smh... Folding stats Vigilo Confido Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Benji said: I think you used the wrong quote. This rather fits in the "Courage" area, doesn't it? They knew exactly that the cooling design was in the very best case subpar. And by the looks of it (the heatsink basically not even touching the CPU at all by default), both the heatsink AND the fan are just to caim that they are there, the CPU is apparently being cooled by heat radiating of the die itself and not even by the heatsink. Wanted to use "it just works", but that's reserved for Todd Howard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 13, 2020 Hey, I just replicated this with my 2020 MacBook air i5 16g ram. I just bought a single thermal pad off amazon. I got a better score than your water cooled contraption on battery. I won the silicon lottery I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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