Intel 10th Gen CPUs revealed w/ ASUS z490 Motherboards

[Dellenn]

2 minutes ago, Lurick said:

I actually like one thing about these chips and that's the 40 PCIe lanes!

The "up to" on the PCIE lanes doesn't make a ton of sense... Either you have it or you don't.

I remember on the X99 HEDT chips, it was based on which CPU you bought. But this one isn't exactly clear. AMD is more up front saying "24+4."

[Lurick]

Just now, 5x5 said:

Aren't most of those from the chipset?

That's where I guess I'm having trouble figuring it out since it does say Platform PCIe 3.0 lanes

[porina]

1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

Yeah, but I'm still slightly worried - you see, "up to" is a legal loophole word that I hate to see.

I never looked at it legally before, but certainly I hate it in marketing materials. Zero is up to whatever number.

 

1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

Anyhow, TDP values aside, based on 9900K and previous, I expect 200W power draw under normal conditions on an all core load to be accurate sadly.

It will depend on the workload, mobo and cooling. OEM systems will tend to obey TDP long term. Enthusiast self build mobos, especially overclocking orientated ones, will lean towards unlimited PL2 and tau, like they have since forever. Then it comes down to whatever limits the CPU impose on themselves. And that's before you start any overclocking.

 

1 minute ago, Lurick said:

I actually like one thing about these chips and that's the 40 PCIe lanes!

Platform = cpu + chipset lanes added together

[Lurick]

Just now, Dellenn said:

The "up to" on the PCIE lanes doesn't make a ton of sense... Either you have it or you don't.

I remember on the X99 HEDT chips, it was based on which CPU you bought. But this one isn't exactly clear. AMD is more up front saying "24+4."

Yah, that's got me scratching my head and maybe those are chipset lanes as @5x5 mentioned.

[porina]

Just now, Dellenn said:

The "up to" on the PCIE lanes doesn't make a ton of sense... Either you have it or you don't.

Because it is the platform they're listing as a whole, I guess they're covering that not all implementations will have all lanes available. For example, you'll probably never see it on ITX boards.

[5x5]

2 minutes ago, porina said:

I never looked at it legally before, but certainly I hate it in marketing materials. Zero is up to whatever number.

 

It will depend on the workload, mobo and cooling. OEM systems will tend to obey TDP long term. Enthusiast self build mobos, especially overclocking orientated ones, will lean towards unlimited PL2 and tau, like they have since forever. Then it comes down to whatever limits the CPU impose on themselves. And that's before you start any overclocking.

 

Platform = cpu + chipset lanes added together

It's a legal loophole as in - if my i7 can't reach base clock on the H410 board - I can't sue Intel because it won't hit base. Whereas beforehand you'd have a decent enough case for at the very least a refund and compensation for false marketing.

But yeah, the numbers are getting very loose and very ominous and I dislike that. AMD's boosting is as well but their power/thermal/base clock figures at the very least are reliable so far.

[Dellenn]

Paul's hardware is saying that PCIE "up to" is basically the same as it is now - 16 for GPU and then 4 going to DMI/chipset.

 

 

[porina]

3 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

It's a legal loophole as in - if my i7 can't reach base clock on the H410 board - I can't sue Intel because it won't hit base. Whereas beforehand you'd have a decent enough case for at the very least a refund and compensation for false marketing.

That's a good point. The up to values might start to make some sense if some mass market box shifters who make systems often with proprietary components decide not to implement the full recommended PL2 to cut costs. So in your example, the i7 could still well meet those clocks, if it were not limited by a cheap system around it.

 

As an extreme example, someone could make a mobo that is intended to be only ever bundled with one of the 2 core chips for example. Then if you drop 10 cores into it, outside of the systems design intent, it has to power limit if it works at all.

 

I don't know about all laws around the world, but there is some reasonable-ness in what is claimed and realistically offered. It took some time by the communications regulator in the UK for example to get ISPs to stop selling DSL broadband only as "up to" values since most people would never get those speeds at all. Now they have to list a typical speed also.

 

That example might not work so well with a CPU, since a "typical" speed would vary with chosen workloads (see any thread about any CPU rating benchmark) and also, if you then factor in performance or efficiency, you start getting away from a simple number to compare. Arguments will never end.

[williamcll]

For flagship comparison, note that the 10900K is priced closer to the 3900X rather than the 3950X so wait for more reviews.

Source:

 

[NumLock21]

The SATA ports on this board, needs a case with the cutout right underneath it, for the best cable management as possible, otherwise it’s not going to look nice. 
 

 

[Dellenn]

EVGA motherboards

https://www.techpowerup.com/266459/evga-announces-z490-dark-and-z490-ftw-motherboards

[Dellenn]

AnandTech graphic below. Talking about 44+ Z490 motherboards

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15723/the-intel-z490-motherboard-overview

[jones177]

44 minutes ago, williamcll said:

For flagship comparison, note that the 10900K is priced closer to the 3900X rather than the 3950X so wait for more reviews.

Source:

 

I do 222 already with my i7 8086k at 5ghz in the single core test. I need close to a score of 240 to get the sort of gains I need in my old modded games and newer building games.

The price is within my budget so it all depends on independent benches(not opinions) whether I get one or not.  

[Dellenn]

51 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

The SATA ports on this board, needs a case with the cutout right underneath it, for the best cable management as possible, otherwise it’s not going to look nice. 
 

 

Yeah - I saw this one and had some REAL questions about the SATA layout.

[Dellenn]

From Paul's video, regarding power limit states.

[5x5]

1 minute ago, Dellenn said:

From Paul's video, regarding power limit states.

So is the stock cooler a water chiller or?

[Dellenn]

Well, in the Intel deck, it said that all of the "results" they posted were with water cooling. You take that how you will.

[Techstorm970]

Yuck!  More heat monsters that need a shitload of power!  And least the performance doesn't suck...yet...

 

If Intel can't figure out a 10nm or 7nm chip by yesterday, Skylake will become the new Bulldozer.

[Commodus]

I have to admit, I'm interested in these 10th-gen Core desktop chips for one reason: my iMac is due for a replacement, and like it or not Apple is probably sticking to Intel in desktops for the foreseeable future.  This paves the way for a much-needed refresh.  Hopefully there's an updated display and overall design, but honestly I'll be happy if there's 10th-gen Cores, new graphics and better SSD options.

[Touch My Hamm]

oof that 14nm....Intel just cannot break that 14nm with the performance they are looking for... I remember rumors about the 10th gen going to be 10nm...

[Andreas Lilja]

Which 10900 for gaming only? Too soon?

[melete]

I hope we’re firmly into the world of universal SMT now. Good on Intel for making it widely available and reasonably priced. 
 

I’m building a new PC later this year for my father, so he can play the new Flight Simulator game. I think the 10700K will be under serious consideration, since the only strenuous use his PC will have is gaming. 

[5x5]

@Dellenn For internal use only btw

[5x5]

It's still in their SEO. Disgrace lmao

[KWelz]

Man I was hopeful for this release.  Sad to be this disappointed yet again.  This is really just a bandaid release.  Trying to get something out to say they are competing.  

 

We all know that Intel 14nm is closer to what TSMC or Global Foundries would have at 10nm.  But that still puts them behind AMD.   

 

• IPC is still going to be behind AMD. 
• TDP is higher
• Core count is still lower
• Only 16 lanes of PCIE from the CPU
• And still no PCIE 4.0.     

 

It looks to me like some of the board partners are trying trying to shore things up by offering 10gb Ethernet and a few other features including the ability to run PCIE 4.0 if intel ever gets moving.