High-end AMD Navi cards are on the way

[off wave surfer]

Since Nvidia torpedoed the RX5700(XT) launch with the RTX Super series cards its good to hear officially that AMD has products that will compete with Nvidia in the high-end market segment.

AMD just held their Q2 earnings call with investors and the like where Lisa Su stated the following.

 

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Q: Can you give us a sense on 7nm high-end NAVI and mobile 7nm CPUs

A: You asked a good product question. I would say they are coming. You should expect that our execution on those are on track and we have a rich 7nm portfolio beyond the products that we have already announced in the upcoming quarters.

 

This echoes "leaks" from Sapphire when they registered that massive list of "possible product names" with the Eurasian Economic Commission last month. Although bear in mind that the contents of the list were "possible product names" so I doubt Sapphire will release that many SKUs, and the same goes for AMD producing this many different chips.

 

 

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A surprising leak came from Komachi on Twitter. Apparently Sapphire is *preparing* quite a few Radeon RX 5000 models:

RX 5950XT *, * RX 5950 *, * RX 5900XT *, * RX 5900 *, * RX 5850XT *, * RX 5850 *,* RX 5800XT *, * RX 5800 *, * RX 5750XT *, * RX 5750 *, * RX 5700XT *, * RX 5700 *, * RX 5650XT *, * RX 5650 *, * RX 5600XT *, * RX 5600 *, * RX 5550XT *, * RX 5550 *, * RX 5500XT *, * RX 5500 *, *RX590XT*, * RX 590

 

 

I'm glad that AMD have more to come from Navi unlike the Vega cards where the 56 and 64 cards were all we got for a while until the VII came along with the 7nm node shrink.

Hopefully the higher end Navi cards will give the RTX Super lineup a run for its money, as its possible that these Navi cards were designed to beat/match the regular RXT cards.

 

Sources:

AMD (about 23 mins in)

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[Doobeedoo]

The high-end big Navi chip will be exciting to see. Even RT aside, I wonder could they make like a 80CU die. 

[Princess Luna]

7 minutes ago, off wave surfer said:

RX 5950XT

But I literally just bought a 2080 Ti aaaaaa noooooooo buyers remorse is too real.... Never cared about DXR I just wanted the fastest gaming card

[k.m.p]

I'm gonna speculate that these 'high end' cards could support ray tracing, since the new consoles are being marketed as being able to use ray tracing and navi, whilst no amd navi card does it yet.

[MeatFeastMan]

Come on AMD, give us something special. There's one thing we've all been craving and that's a crazy graphics card. We need an r9 295x2 successor. Please let that be the 5950XT!! Let's have a card with 32gb HBM2, 500w, two 5900 packaged into one card. That's the dream. The first true 4k card with bandwidth to last a lifetime. And then we can have some turbocharged infinity fabric, some dual gpu magic tweaks here and there...

 

Time to wipe the smile off Nvidia's face.

[off wave surfer]

3 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

But I literally just bought a 2080 Ti aaaaaa noooooooo buyers remorse is too real.... Never cared about DXR I just wanted the fastest gaming card

I did the exact same thing just before Skylake was released!
Bought a 4790k to swap out my 4590 and pretty much 24 hours later Skylake was announced...

[Princess Luna]

Just now, off wave surfer said:

I did the exact same thing just before Skylake was released!
Bought a 4790k to swap out my 4590 and pretty much 24 hours later Skylake was announced...

But in all seriously I kinda gonna put a Doubt on this supposed Sapphire leak, either AMD is trying to beat nVidia on releasing more of the same or it's simply too many SKUs to make any sense...

[off wave surfer]

3 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

Come on AMD, give us something special. There's one thing we've all been craving and that's a crazy graphics card. We need an r9 295x2 successor. Please let that be the 5950XT!! Let's have a card with 32gb HBM2, 500w, two 5900 packaged into one card. That's the dream.

 

Time to wipe the smile off Nvidia's face.

Watching that card turn into a supernova under full load would be a sight to behold awful majestic...

[k.m.p]

7 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

But I literally just bought a 2080 Ti aaaaaa noooooooo buyers remorse is too real.... Never cared about DXR I just wanted the fastest gaming card

I wouldn't worry too much, I doubt these gpu's are going to be released in 2019, likely q1 2020 release.

[off wave surfer]

Just now, Princess Luna said:

But in all seriously I kinda gonna put a Doubt on this supposed Sapphire leak, either AMD is trying to beat nVidia on releasing more of the same or it's simply too many SKUs to make any sense...

I thank that's why its a list of "possible product names" there's no way AMD is going to release that many SKUs

[Lathlaer]

25 minutes ago, off wave surfer said:

RX 5950XT *, * RX 5950 *, * RX 5900XT *, * RX 5900 *, * RX 5850XT *, * RX 5850 *,* RX 5800XT *, * RX 5800 *, * RX 5750XT *, * RX 5750 *, * RX 5700XT

OMG

 

And the next lineup:

 

RX 5951, RX 5952, RX 5953, RX 5954, RX 5955...

[FloRolf]

Great, that's totally confusion free with RX590XT and a RX590XT and all that crap in between. 

 

Why is it so hard in 2019 to get a naming schemes right? 

[off wave surfer]

4 minutes ago, FloRolf said:

Great, that's totally confusion free with RX590XT and a RX590XT and all that crap in between. 

 

Why is it so hard in 2019 to get a naming schemes right? 

Take the names with a handful of salt, Sapphire registered them with the EEC as a list of "possible product names" so I doubt that all of them will be used.

It's likely that Sapphire just preemptively registered as many names as they could think of because AMD have yet to announce the actual naming scheme.

[Arika]

gotta not have blower coolers for me to care.

[aliasdred]

Time to buy me another 5850.....
I'll name my gamer biography, from 5850HD to 5850XD

[caldrin]

Expecting a lot from their higher end cards considering how well the 5700 and XT have done.. Tho I have a gsync monitor so wont be picking one up just like to see AMD being competitive again

[RejZoR]

Way too many models. This idiocy of filling every god damn price bracket needs to die. Imagine having 15 car trim levels instead of usual 3-4. Just follow the old system although they partially cocked it up by starting at 5000 for some reason...

 

RX 5400 - Entry

RX 5500 - Low

RX 5600 - Low-Mid

RX 5700 - Mid

RX 5800 - High

RX 5900 - Enthusiast

 

And that's it. No RX xx50 and similar nonsense. Keep shit simple so people understand. NVIDIA, youto with your "Super" nonsense. What was wrong with established "Ti". ffs...

[MeatFeastMan]

Just now, RejZoR said:

Way too many models. This idiocy of filling every god damn price bracket needs to die. Imagine having 15 car trim levels instead of usual 3-4. Just follow the old system although they partially cocked it up by starting at 5000 for some reason...

 

RX 5400 - Entry

RX 5500 - Low

RX 5600 - Low-Mid

RX 5700 - Mid

RX 5800 - High

RX 5900 - Enthusiast

 

And that's it. No RX xx50 and similar nonsense. Keep shit simple so people understand. NVIDIA, youto with your "Super" nonsense. What was wrong with established "Ti". ffs...

And then an RX 5990XTx2 just to ruin the simple naming

[TechyBen]

4 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Way too many models. This idiocy of filling every god damn price bracket needs to die. Imagine having 15 car trim levels instead of usual 3-4. Just follow the old system although they partially cocked it up by starting at 5000 for some reason...

 

RX 5400 - Entry

RX 5500 - Low

RX 5600 - Low-Mid

RX 5700 - Mid

RX 5800 - High

RX 5900 - Enthusiast

 

And that's it. No RX xx50 and similar nonsense. Keep shit simple so people understand. NVIDIA, youto with your "Super" nonsense. What was wrong with established "Ti". ffs...

I now imagine having 200 different engine sizes... going up fraction by fraction.

[steelo]

8 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Way too many models. This idiocy of filling every god damn price bracket needs to die. Imagine having 15 car trim levels instead of usual 3-4. Just follow the old system although they partially cocked it up by starting at 5000 for some reason...

 

RX 5400 - Entry

RX 5500 - Low

RX 5600 - Low-Mid

RX 5700 - Mid

RX 5800 - High

RX 5900 - Enthusiast

 

And that's it. No RX xx50 and similar nonsense. Keep shit simple so people understand. NVIDIA, youto with your "Super" nonsense. What was wrong with established "Ti". ffs...

Exactly, follow the old naming convention and add a '0' to the end, or better yet change the '5' to a '6'...LOL. That way we know, for instance that a RX5800 is today's updated equivalent to an older RX580.

 

RX550=RX5500

RX560=RX5600

RX570=RX5700

RX580=RX5800

[SADS]

The amount of people incapable of reading the original post properly before posting is ludicrous.

 

I'd like to see a proper high end card though, something to help bring out either more performance from both sides or make the pricing more competative again.

[steelo]

10 minutes ago, SADS said:

The amount of people incapable of reading the original post properly before posting is ludicrous.

 

I'd like to see a proper high end card though, something to help bring out either more performance from both sides or make the pricing more competative again.

So, let me get this straight...in your world, posters aren't allowed to have related conversations if it isn't a direct response to the OP.

 

Gotcha.

[Trixanity]

I fully expect it to be a red herring.

However we do know high end Navi is coming in one form or another. Keep in mind that, like all AMD cards, the 5700 series was clocked beyond the efficiency range of the silicon. So doubling the chip size does not necessarily result in double the power consumption because you'll just clock it lower to keep the power down. 5700 XT at stock (running at 1900~ MHz) runs at 185W but can drop to 110W by running it at 1700 MHz and lowering the voltage.

While I wouldn't claim to know how the GPU scales with CUs but let's just for the sake of argument say that 80 CU at 1900 MHz would be 370W but lowering it to 1700 MHz would then make it a mere 220W (assuming perfect scaling). That's of course GPU power only. Still need memory power consumption and it's likely a high end card would roll with HBM again. So let's say 250-260W for a massive 80 CU card. That's not all that bad.

 

However realistically speaking: AMD would probably up the voltage a bit for the sake of yields and the scaling is probably not 1:1 but it's very realistic to get a 200-300W behemoth with a decent clock speed. It's a matter of binning and a matter of tuning. It's not impossible.

Although I have heard some claims that there's still some bottlenecking in the current RDNA uarch that prevents scaling up the chips but a Reddit comment isn't exactly admissible in court.

[jiyeon]

2 hours ago, off wave surfer said:

RX 5950XT *, * RX 5950 *, * RX 5900XT *, * RX 5900 *, * RX 5850XT *, * RX 5850 *,* RX 5800XT *, * RX 5800 *, * RX 5750XT *, * RX 5750 *, * RX 5700XT *, * RX 5700 *, * RX 5650XT *, * RX 5650 *, * RX 5600XT *, * RX 5600 *, * RX 5550XT *, * RX 5550 *, * RX 5500XT *, * RX 5500 *, *RX590XT*, * RX 590

Oh God, why this naming.

[cj09beira]

2 hours ago, k.m.p said:

I'm gonna speculate that these 'high end' cards could support ray tracing, since the new consoles are being marketed as being able to use ray tracing and navi, whilst no amd navi card does it yet.

rumors said rt on navi 2, first one being a high end card next year, this high end card is a bit smaller 56-64cus, sadly we know a lot more about the small one which seems to be the next to launch with 24Cus

1 hour ago, RejZoR said:

Way too many models. This idiocy of filling every god damn price bracket needs to die. Imagine having 15 car trim levels instead of usual 3-4. Just follow the old system although they partially cocked it up by starting at 5000 for some reason...

 

RX 5400 - Entry

RX 5500 - Low

RX 5600 - Low-Mid

RX 5700 - Mid

RX 5800 - High

RX 5900 - Enthusiast

 

And that's it. No RX xx50 and similar nonsense. Keep shit simple so people understand. NVIDIA, youto with your "Super" nonsense. What was wrong with established "Ti". ffs...

the 50 is to allow for refreshes with higher clocks and has been an option for them starting from the polaris naming scheme, they just didn't endup using it