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AMD confirm Navi will launch Q3

Master Disaster
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2 hours ago, BuckGup said:

See the logic in that is skewed as if we were only using Vulkan than Nvidia would suck and you would say AMD makes the better product. It's relative to what application you are doing to. If it's AI than Nvidia all the way. If it's video editing and/or on Linux AMD all the way. The "best" refers to windows gaming. There are a lot of other things people use GPUs for

For better or for worse, Nvidia's mainstream lineup is targeted almost exclusively at gamers (or OEMs selling to gamers). And some 90%-95% of them are on some variant (or fossil) of Windows.

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3 hours ago, BuckGup said:

See the logic in that is skewed as if we were only using Vulkan than Nvidia would suck and you would say AMD makes the better product. It's relative to what application you are doing to. If it's AI than Nvidia all the way. If it's video editing and/or on Linux AMD all the way. The "best" refers to windows gaming. There are a lot of other things people use GPUs for

 

Skewed?   

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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1 hour ago, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

a bit confused here, is Navi a series of cards or a single card...?

It's not a single card, it's the newest and final micro-architecture revision of the GCN macro architecture, eventually replacing Vega.

 

So Vega had a whole range of products all the way from tiny APUs with just a couple of CUs all the way up to 60 CU discrete GPUs with RTX 2080 performance, all sharing the same micro architecture. Navi will be the same. A whole range of graphics chips from APUs up to expensive high end discrete GPUs.

 

They have not yet announced the individual products based on Navi. But based on rumours we expect that they are starting with mid range stuff to compete with RTX 2060 and RTX 2070. Those who want APUs or RTX 2080ti competitors will probably have to wait.

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11 hours ago, thorhammerz said:

For better or for worse, Nvidia's mainstream lineup is targeted almost exclusively at gamers (or OEMs selling to gamers). And some 90%-95% of them are on some variant (or fossil) of Windows.

Actually NVIDIA sells more cards for HPC use than gamers

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16 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Actually NVIDIA sells more cards for HPC use than gamers

link please

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24 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Actually NVIDIA sells more cards for HPC use than gamers

pretty sure their gaming revenue is bigger in for the consumer market, so thats probably not the case 

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13 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

pretty sure their gaming revenue is bigger in for the consumer market, so thats probably not the case 

Well yeah but that's not what I was talking about lol. People don't game on Teslas

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link please

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2018/11/12/jensen-huang-sc18-keynote-exascale-ai-supercomputing/

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6 hours ago, pas008 said:

 

where is the evidence they sell more cards for hpc than gamers?

I linked to an article about a year ago (I'll go looking for it again), it was about the market share of NVIDIA products according the installed drivers.  For all intents and purposes it was like 45/55 in fave or gamer's, however that was at the time when NVIDIA did not permit the use of quadro drivers on GTX cards. So when they accounted for the number of researchers and enterprise buying GTX cards for data centres and compute it was estimated to be about 10% higher.

 

Obviously if you need cheap compute card with cuda then GTX was going to save you a tone over quadro.

 

https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/18/01/07/0010221/nvidia-wants-to-prohibit-consumer-gpu-use-in-datacenters

I can't find the original article I read, but every article I have read looking for it seems to suggest NVIDIA's data centre sales have done nothing but grow since then.  So it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were making more money from that than gamer's.

 

Whilst not the same thing I talked about it's still an interesting read:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tiriasresearch/2019/03/29/nvidia-is-a-data-center-company-now/#7e96a1506780

 

 

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as always i just hope it can do 1080p@60fps on high settings without sounding like a jet engine.

radeon chill is doing wonders with my 390 but there's room for more silence.

Also priced in the 200 to 300 bracket

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Navi cannot be that great because it would be a dick slap to the face of every Radeon VII purchaser right? Sub VII performance, but maybe far higher perf/dollar has to be result IMO.

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On 5/1/2019 at 4:41 PM, Dan Castellaneta said:

AMD is apparently bad at marketing, according to your logic.

They kinda are.

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Just now, Dan Castellaneta said:

What relevant shit have they marketed recently that the average person could tell you about?

About as much as Nvidia.

 

It's not us that they need to focus super heavily on marketing to. It's the OEMs that are selling the bulk of machines that people use.

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59 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Kinda's a fucking understatement. What relevant shit have they marketed recently that the average person could tell you about?

 

It always surprises me how many gamer's know that Nvidia have cards beyond GTX in data centres and super computers, but they seem to talk as if AMD has nothing other than whats in the mac pro.    Nvidias marketing to the compute industries has spilled over into the gaming sphere (likely due to videos like "can you game on a quadro"), but what are the equivalent cards from AMD?  I reckon most gamer's would have to google to tell you if there were even videos on it.

 

EDIT: in fact just typing "can you game on" into google and the auto fill suggestions include quadro amongst the usual mac and old hardware suggestions, but you even if you type in the entire line "can you game on a firepro" there are no suggestions.

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EDIT: in fact just typing "can you game on" into google and the auto fill suggestions include quadro amongst the usual mac and old hardware suggestions, but you even if you type in the entire line "can you game on a firepro" there are no suggestions.

Heck, I got a "can you game on Z series" suggestion lol. Admittedly, nothing similar with any of AMDs data center focused products.

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15 hours ago, mr moose said:

I linked to an article about a year ago (I'll go looking for it again), it was about the market share of NVIDIA products according the installed drivers.  For all intents and purposes it was like 45/55 in fave or gamer's, however that was at the time when NVIDIA did not permit the use of quadro drivers on GTX cards. So when they accounted for the number of researchers and enterprise buying GTX cards for data centres and compute it was estimated to be about 10% higher.

 

Obviously if you need cheap compute card with cuda then GTX was going to save you a tone over quadro.

 

https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/18/01/07/0010221/nvidia-wants-to-prohibit-consumer-gpu-use-in-datacenters

I can't find the original article I read, but every article I have read looking for it seems to suggest NVIDIA's data centre sales have done nothing but grow since then.  So it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were making more money from that than gamer's.

 

Whilst not the same thing I talked about it's still an interesting read:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tiriasresearch/2019/03/29/nvidia-is-a-data-center-company-now/#7e96a1506780

 

 

yes we know geforce can be used as a cheap alternative but revenue wise where is gaming cards vs others rank?

only numbers we have is revenue by their intended use

and considering gaming cards are majority of their revenue right now which is like most of their revenue and cheaper by far

would that make  gaming the most selling card even given the variable of semi pros using geforce as a cheaper substitute?

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7 hours ago, pas008 said:

yes we know geforce can be used as a cheap alternative but revenue wise where is gaming cards vs others rank?

only numbers we have is revenue by their intended use

and considering gaming cards are majority of their revenue right now which is like most of their revenue and cheaper by far

would that make  gaming the most selling card even given the variable of semi pros using geforce as a cheaper substitute?

Largely NVIDIA separate their quadro's from their GTX/RTX lineup and report GTX/RTX under gaming and quadro under Professional visualization. There is a bit of crossover naturally,  especially for items like the titan which could fall into either category.  But given Nvidia have reported $954M for gaming and $972M for both professional visualization and data centre revenue, I think it's fair to say that the professional/data centre usage is higher than gaming.  I say that because not many would buy a titan and certainly much less a quadro to game on while many more would buy a XX80 for professional use. 

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Largely NVIDIA separate their quadro's from their GTX/RTX lineup and report GTX/RTX under gaming and quadro under Professional visualization. There is a bit of crossover naturally,  especially for items like the titan which could fall into either category.  But given Nvidia have reported $954M for gaming and $972M for both professional visualization and data centre revenue, I think it's fair to say that the professional/data centre usage is higher than gaming.  I say that because not many would buy a titan and certainly much less a quadro to game on while many more would buy a XX80 for professional use. 

Yes but his statement was on more cards

We know GeForce is alot cheaper 

Which would mean they had to sell way more GeForce cards to hit that revenue by far

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Sort of off-topic but I cant make a thread for this obviously. Got back from AMD's 50th anniversary event. Had a guy at a booth confirm that a custom Radeon Pro V340 is what Stadia is using and that the retail cards are something like $10k each. (Might be in CAD, I didnt clarify)

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9 hours ago, pas008 said:

Yes but his statement was on more cards

We know GeForce is alot cheaper 

Which would mean they had to sell way more GeForce cards to hit that revenue by far

Ahh, I wasn't aware of the original statement being solely about cards, Yes that could easily be true.   I was just trying to provide some more detail regarding revenue and the division between the two markets.  They definitely make more money from their game division, but when you account for HPC it is likely that is the bigger winner.  However that does not (and likely will not) show how many cards were bought specifically for each use.  Unless Nvidia has relaxed the demand for Quadro drivers not to be be used on GTX cards and has some sort of number on driver base install.

 

 

EDIT: damn my grammar is shit tonight.  Shitter than normal.

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2 hours ago, S w a t s o n said:

Sort of off-topic but I cant make a thread for this obviously. Got back from AMD's 50th anniversary event. Had a guy at a booth confirm that a custom Radeon Pro V340 is what Stadia is using and that the retail cards are something like $10k each. (Might be in CAD, I didnt clarify)

Swatson with the cutting edge reporting. :)

 

But 10k USD for the cards is about right.

 

https://www.frontierpc.com/1901362131.html

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