(Rumor Mill) 2019 Consumer Roadmap Slides

[Taf the Ghost]

Your WCCFTech news before they get to it!

 

Fresh from the East Asian Tech Twitter comes a link to a Taiwanese forum post. (Translation ) 

 

 

New Information/Confirmation(?):

- AMD is launching X570 while not replacing X470, B450 and A320 chipsets. (Speculation: X570 is functionally AM4+ and has PCIe 4.0 lanes operating.)

- X570 (And likely Ryzen 3rd Gen) announced at Computex. (This was already sort of known.)

- FX Series still refuses to die.

- Intel has a new Chipset, C621, which appears to be the Up-To 28 Core platform. Previous roadmap called these the "A-Series" parts. A-series on C-series motherboards?

- Cascade Lake-X is Q3 2019. (That's Glacier Falls PCH.)

- No Icelake-S in 2019?

- B365 is a real chipset. (B360 but on 22nm node.)

- GT0 parts are Intel CPUs without an iGPU. This looks like a move to free up supply by not having to waste dies without a working iGPU.

 

 

My Thoughts:

 

I mostly did this because it's going to hit the rounds anyway, so I might as well scoop the forum post(s) that'll show up in a few hours. Though, it needs to be noted, only the lack of iGPU 9th Gen parts is news with this. All of the rest have been mostly confirmed either officially or with an incredibly large amount of leaks already. X570's launch date is also new, but AMD already said they'd be talking about Ryzen at Computex. Thus, that was mostly already confirmed, along with Zen2 parts having PCIe 4.0 lanes.

[Taf the Ghost]

Should probably make a "Piledriver will never die" joke in there somewhere, but AMD has committed to Polaris through 2024. Which means "Polaris will never die" jokes start in a few months and won't end until about 2030.

 

In other news, it appears the long-running rumor about Intel's iGPU defect problems on 14nm are true enough that Intel has a large supply of iGPU defective cpus to sell to OEMs. All we need now is AMD to add an iGPU to Ryzen 3rd gen and the circle will be complete.

[porina]

14 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

- X570 (And likely Ryzen 3rd Gen) announced at Computex. (This was already sort of known.)

Boo. Computex is historically in June. I was hoping for an April release of Ryzen 3000 following 2000 this year and 1000 last year, although maybe it doesn't have to be tied to the chipset...

[Taf the Ghost]

3 minutes ago, porina said:

Boo. Computex is historically in June. I was hoping for an April release of Ryzen 3000 following 2000 this year and 1000 last year, although maybe it doesn't have to be tied to the chipset...

B450 came almost 2 months after Ryzen 2nd Gen and X470. Though Ryzen 3rd Gen has been looking to be a Summer release for a bit. Maybe July?

[Dabombinable]

Still thinking of how much Intel's multi core strategy is costing themselves and server operators.

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, VegetableStu said:

Matisse X570: ALL PCIe Gen 4 O_O

PCIe 4.0 is backwards compatible with PCIe 3.0, so there's no reason not to make the Ryzen I/O with it. It'll drop into current boards and run just fine, but AMD will offer a high-end Desktop with PCIe 4.0 lanes. Probably 24 still, but the new chipset will likely support more bandwidth and motherboard manufacturers are going to be able to offer some interesting options.

 

There was going to be a Z490, but AMD scrapped that after they couldn't find enough PLX chips to offer a lot more PCIe Lanes. AMD is clearly looking to drive wedges into Intel's different market segments. I expect we'll see 3x 8-lanes and 1x 4-lane slots (but those would be x16 and x8 in PCIe 3.0 aware mode) and 2 slots for M.2 at full x2 speed. Can you say "GPU Render Boxes"?

[IWannaBeUniqueMom]

I can't see the pictures well enough to notice PCIE 4.0

 

Is there any upcoming Intel CPU with 4.0?

[Taf the Ghost]

1 hour ago, IWannaBeUniqueMom said:

I can't see the pictures well enough to notice PCIE 4.0

 

Is there any upcoming Intel CPU with 4.0?

 

23 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

Next EPYC confrimed to have. these slides suggest Ryzen 3000 will have them too

 

 

Word around is that these are from a Gigabyte presentation some months ago. So the PCIe 4.0 news actually predates Epyc's confirmation of having it. 

[williamcll]

Wouldn't iGPU-less chips puts extra stain on the graphics card since all the OS graphics like start menu and game bar etc have to be rendered on the dedicated GPU?

[Fasauceome]

On 12/1/2018 at 3:02 AM, Taf the Ghost said:

B365 is a real chipset

Wait what? They did H310c for that, why not B360c?

[Taf the Ghost]

13 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Wait what? They did H310c for that, why not B360c?

No clue!

[NumLock21]

A recent internal slide from Gigabyte has been leaked, showing Intel is prepare some new 9th gen CPUs. These cpus will have the letters K and F and the end. The cpus that will get the KF letters are

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i9-9900KF, the Core i7-9700KF, Core i5-9600KF, and the Core i3-9350KF.

While the letter K might probably stands for unlocked, the F on the other hand, there is no info about what the F stands for. Some say it might be the iGPUs are either disabled or not present, IMO it might be using better graphics, like AMD VEGA. Only once these cpus are out, then we'll know exactly what those letters mean. Also K isn't the only letter for a unlocked CPU. Intel's Broadwell CPUs ends in the letter C and they are also unlocked just like the K.

https://www.techpowerup.com/250185/intel-readies-kf-variants-of-key-9th-gen-core-desktop-skus

[NumLock21]

I think I finally know what F stands for

[SoreRaito]

5 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

I think I finally know what F stands for

F for Failed?

[mxk]

kilo-fcuk? Feels like they fucked us with "9th gen"

[ATFink]

1 hour ago, huilun02 said:

Kentucky Fried?

 

Although if source is true, Intel would rather completely remove the IGPU to try for higher clocks or make them run cooler (or both)

And then of course pricing them even higher...

Honestly it might be to reallocate 14nm production for more CPUs. The 14nm shortage is pretty bad for Intel right now. Delete iGPU and use that silicon for more CPU chips. More dies on wafer with same defect density results in more CPUs per wafer.

 

Unless the iGPU is not on the same silicon as the CPU, but if that's the case I am unaware.

[Bananasplit_00]

what if these are "9th" gen chips on 22nm? 

[WkdPaul]

@NumLock21 threads merged

[Princess Luna]

3 hours ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

what if these are "9th" gen chips on 22nm? 

Their chipsets are likely to be lol

 

Any ways, if Intel is FINALLY starting to consider mainstream CPUs without iGPU for more cores or more efficiency or whatever, that ship is long sailed, back in haswell or skylake we all wanted to ditch the iGPU for more cores, now with QuickSync and hardware acceleration becoming a real useful thing nobody wants those gone any more.

 

iGPU is actually making the high end 8 cores Intel-s chips more appealing than HEDT solutions on a good couple of workloads already.