Intel's new microcode update forbids benchmark comparisons

[pas008]

2 minutes ago, KendoSapion said:

If you haven't noticed there are a LOT of nvidia fans claiming to be jumping ship, it's mostly just overreaction to the press conference but people are still very sketched out with the new RTX cards

that is nothing new

not even close to same shit at all, nvidia is supposedly offering the performance 2x the power

this is possibly removing performance and you must shut your mouth about it

[AlTech]

Just now, mynameisjuan said:

You sound as if this is a life or death situation

This kind of behaviour from any company is completely unacceptable.

 

Consumers deserve to know the truth and nothing less than the whole truth. Censoring people because of Intel's shortcomings is not acceptable.

[Lathlaer]

3 minutes ago, KendoSapion said:

If you haven't noticed there are a LOT of nvidia fans claiming to be jumping ship, it's mostly just overreaction to the press conference but people are still very sketched out with the new RTX cards

Yes this is why you can't currently buy a 2080ti from their site. Because all of them jumped ship.

 

Intel is one thing but you must be insane to think that AMD is happy with NVIDIA's situation from last couple of days.

[Sauron]

There's no way this is legal. However, if somehow they manage to gag the press on this and I don't get any valid comparison to go on, I will assume this update cuts performance in half and will tell that to everyone who asks.

[mynameisjuan]

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

This kind of behaviour from any company is completely unacceptable.

 

Consumers deserve to know the truth and nothing less than the whole truth. Censoring people because of Intel's shortcomings is not acceptable.

Its just limiting benchmarks which are point less. Renders, gaming, compiling are all better test anyway. 

 

Again such a life or death, "Bruh, ma rights" type of uproar over this. 

[pas008]

6 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Its just limiting benchmarks which are point less. Renders, gaming, compiling are all better test anyway. 

 

Again such a life or death, "Bruh, ma rights" type of uproar over this. 

consumers have the right to know their products and benchmarks help pinpoint strengths and weakenesses for a consumers workload needs

[LAwLz]

7 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Its just limiting benchmarks which are point less. Renders, gaming, compiling are all better test anyway. 

 

Again such a life or death, "Bruh, ma rights" type of uproar over this. 

I am no lawyer so I won't even pretend to know the full lengths of what this legal document means, but the way I read it it seems like you won't be allowed to make comparisons. That would include for example rendering something with and without the patch, and the comparing the results.

[Eroda]

they could literally say 10 million dollar fines and there will still be benchmarks, especially from chinese sites, China gives no fucks

[mynameisjuan]

4 minutes ago, pas008 said:

consumers have the right to know their products and benchmarks help pinpoint strengths and weakenesses for a consumers workload needs

Again as I said Renders, gaming, compiling are all better test anyway. Real world performance results. 

 

But 

 

4 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

I am no lawyer so I won't even pretend to know the full lengths of what this legal document means, but the way I read it it seems like you won't be allowed to make comparisons. That would include for example rendering something with and without the patch, and the comparing the results.

I cant see them enforcing this or how they even would. 

[JoeCoke]

25 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Again such a life or death, "Bruh, ma rights" type of uproar over this. 

Yeah, those stupid sheep screaming about their rights. Intel is right! Why should WE have the right to compare products? What did we do to deserve such a right? From now on, we should all only trust AMD's, Intel's and Nvidia's benchmarks! Independent bench markers were probably all liars anyway. I don't understand at all how anyone could be mad about this move from intel, it's just another bandwagon of hate, another lynch mob.

 

Anyways, yeah there's no way Intel can enforce this, but that doesn't mean we should be happy about this.

[pas008]

3 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Again as I said Renders, gaming, compiling are all better test anyway. Real world performance results. 

 

But 

 

I cant see them enforcing this or how they even would. 

benchmarks simulate those

 

but yes I cant see them forcing it,

 

its just an attempt at restricting info all at once but backfired already

[Delicieuxz]

EULA's are not laws. Sounds like ignorable BS coming from Intel.

 

 

EU highest court says software licence terms can be ignored

[ItsMitch]

53 minutes ago, Eroda said:

they could literally say 10 million dollar fines and there will still be benchmarks, especially from chinese sites, China gives no fucks

gl taking chinese people to CN courts and actually winning!!

[SupremeGOAT]

Yes master as you wish... I will pay the same money for the 6700k in 2018 as i did back in 2015 for I eat mud... I will not question the EULA for intel is law... please grace us with your wisdom oh great intel and bestow upon us more microcodes to fend off those sheeple talking about "consumer rights" and "moral decency"....amen

[D13H4RD]

Yeah, something is smelly 

 

2018 has been a real doozy for Intel. Makes me kinda sad that I have a Kaby Lake i7. 

 

Then again, it's a laptop, so it's not like I have much of a choice 

[PlayStation 2]

tfw amd rapes you in price/performance so you just block comparisons rather than accepting a loss and trying to win the game

[Stefan Payne]

4 hours ago, exetras said:

Intel released a Microcode Update, with it a new EULA. which has a mention that you are not allowed to publish benchmark. Its written pretty openly so that they could take down content they dont like.

If they continue this way, how long until a big class action lawsuit hits them?!

Can't be far...

 

And it would be interesting if Intel gets ordered to replace all the defective processors...

[PlayStation 2]

Okay, hear me out. How fucking spooked is Intel for them to just put that in the EULA?

I don't understand why it'd be in there UNLESS they were scared of some shit coming out.

[ItsMitch]

Just now, Dan Castellaneta said:

Okay, hear me out. How fucking spooked is Intel for them to just put that in the EULA?

 

They must of known it'll have a significant impact on performence to bother implementing a EULA in the first place. 

[AlTech]

2 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Okay, hear me out. How fucking spooked is Intel for them to just put that in the EULA?

I don't understand why it'd be in there UNLESS they were scared of some shit coming out.

The only numbers I've seen (linked in OP or OP's source) showed some numbers Intel themselves published.

 

Those numbers coming from Intel means that the real workloads people use which aren't best case scenario will probably end up killing any advantage Hyper Threading had.

 

So worst case scenario we'll probably see same perf as if it had no hyper threading.

 

If so, this makes the 9700K 8C/8T sound a lot more plausible if Intel knew this all along.

[Brooksie359]

3 hours ago, KendoSapion said:

If you haven't noticed there are a LOT of nvidia fans claiming to be jumping ship, it's mostly just overreaction to the press conference but people are still very sketched out with the new RTX cards

Honestly until they cards release and reviews are out the damage from the new lone if cards is kinda unknown. Also it's good to note that the cards still sold out really fast. 

[PlayStation 2]

10 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

I have news:

 

Gamersnexus received that statement from intel O_O

 

https://www.gamersnexus.net/industry/3357-intel-statement-on-benchmark-clause

 

I think it's safe to guess LTT received it as well? o_o

 

EDIT: I jumped the gun here ,_,

 

Intel really seems to suck at listening to the community if they added that thing in the first place.

[Brooksie359]

3 hours ago, LAwLz said:

I am no lawyer so I won't even pretend to know the full lengths of what this legal document means, but the way I read it it seems like you won't be allowed to make comparisons. That would include for example rendering something with and without the patch, and the comparing the results.

My mother is a lawyer and she has talked about how UELA have little to no power. She says that alot of companies have EULAs that have part that would never hold up in court. At the end of the day this would be super illegal and wouldn't even make it to a court case. They would just throw out the case tbh. 

[Brooksie359]

3 hours ago, Eroda said:

they could literally say 10 million dollar fines and there will still be benchmarks, especially from chinese sites, China gives no fucks

Yeah EULA don't have that kind of power. There are limitations on what can be in a EULA and what they can do and that would be way out of bounds. 

[Spotty]

Quote

Intel Employee #1: Uh-oh, these test results aren't looking too good, what do we do?
Intel Employee #2: Oh shit... Umm... Let's not allow them to run the tests?
Intel Employee #1: GENIUS!

I am of course talking about when Intel pulled the Intel Power Gadget from their website that many people were using to assess the throttling on the Intel Core i9 in the Macbook Pro during the throttle issues last month.

... But I guess it applies here too.